Banjo-Kazooie announced for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Aaron

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so glad there isn't a trash Nuts and bolts reference to be found
Yeah my favorite part by far is them using the original character design, as opposed to Nuts & Bolts' ugly redesigns (imo).

I don't hate N&B nearly as much as some folks so if they want to include references to that, fine, but I find Banjo's new design considerably worse than say, Modern Sonic versus Classic Sonic.
 

Weiss

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Is it weird if I don't consider Banjo a third party rep, let alone one from a competing company?

That trailer was not "thanks to our friends at Microsoft" like Cuphead. That was straight up the homecoming of two beloved Nintendo icons. That was Rare's most beloved characters partying it up. That was Banjo proudly being center stage surrounded by other Nintendo characters.
 

Weiss

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Very confused on geno being most wanted when people only started bringing him up after Ridley and King K rool's inclusion.
It was more that their inclusion got the Geno fanbase riled up over the idea that he could make it in.

I'd certainly be happy and I'm not quite ready to give up on him, but I do think he's pretty small potatoes in the grand scheme of beloved Smash What-Ifs.
 

UltraMagnus

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That will probably never happen. Way too many hurdles, and it's square, and not japanese.
Wouldn't it being Square-Enix kinda help though seeing as how they are a Japanese company that already works with Nintendo a lot.

It wouldn't stun me for the next proper Smash game. I think this one though they've basically given fans almost every character that was really heavily requested. Next time to top that they may have to look at more Western legacy characters to up the ante.

I think Jill from RE and Heiachi from Tekken are the two remaining picks for Smash Ultimate ... so I mean the next Smash game is gonna have a tough go topping this, lol.

Master Chief, Lara Croft wouldn't be bad.
 

discotrigger

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, here's who is left to add from my estimation:

Crash Bandicoot
Master Chief
Lara Croft
Sepiroth
Spyro
Geno
Dante
Rayman
Joanna Dark
Monster Hunter

I'm sure some people want Regina, Goku, or Jak and Daxter, but those are basically impossible so I'm not counting anything like that. Of course, I'm sure there are a lot of side-characters from Nintendo properties that people want, but that seems unlikely for DLC. I love Kirby as much as the next guy, but Bandana Waddle Dee ain't happenin'.
 

Droyd

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I’m sure this has been discussed to death but is there a greater expectation that Microsoft will develop a new Banjo game?

I imagine a remake would be an easy win and low risk for a next gen launch title.
 

Spinluck

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Is it weird if I don't consider Banjo a third party rep, let alone one from a competing company?

That trailer was not "thanks to our friends at Microsoft" like Cuphead. That was straight up the homecoming of two beloved Nintendo icons. That was Rare's most beloved characters partying it up. That was Banjo proudly being center stage surrounded by other Nintendo characters.
There was definitely a, "they've always belonged to us" vibe in that trailer.

It's Smash so they could've went a million different ways with the characters they used. But using the Rare properties (or the properties they're known for working on back in the day) just felt right and was absolutely fitting. Fun play off of the K. Rool trailer and the fact that people always kind of saw Duck Hunt as a diet Banjo-Kazooie since their inclusion.
 

Weiss

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I’m sure this has been discussed to death but is there a greater expectation that Microsoft will develop a new Banjo game?

I imagine a remake would be an easy win and low risk for a next gen launch title.
Whatever comes next for Banjo I think it'll be on Nintendo consoles. That's where his audience is.
 

yuoke

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Wouldn't it being Square-Enix kinda help though seeing as how they are a Japanese company that already works with Nintendo a lot.

It wouldn't stun me for the next proper Smash game. I think this one though they've basically given fans almost every character that was really heavily requested. Next time to top that they may have to look at more Western legacy characters to up the ante.

I think Jill from RE and Heiachi from Tekken are the two remaining picks for Smash Ultimate ... so I mean the next Smash game is gonna have a tough go topping this, lol.

Master Chief, Lara Croft wouldn't be bad.
Lara really isn't that wanted though honestly. She isn't some long time wanted one and doesn't get brought up a ton. So a combination of being really hard to get in and not even that wanted.
 

NoName999

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Wouldn't it being Square-Enix kinda help though seeing as how they are a Japanese company that already works with Nintendo a lot.
If anything, Square-Enix hurts his chances.

Speaking of "lol Square" I'm betting we're only getting those two DQ songs that played on the Hero trailer. Notice the lack of new DQ music updates despite Spiral Mountain being on the Smash Bros website.

Square, in all of its foolishness, is just refusing to play ball.
 

jaggies

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Well, here's who is left to add from my estimation:

Crash Bandicoot
Master Chief
Lara Croft
Sepiroth
Spyro
Geno
Dante
Rayman
Joanna Dark
Monster Hunter
This is a pretty good list of candidates, though I would add Tracer, Sora, and Steve/Alex (and, if we’re talking a Smash sequel, Shovel Knight and Bomberman to replace their assist trophies).
 

daTRUballin

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Conker has never been as popular as Banjo Kazooie. The only Rare project from that era that had a bigger impact was Goldeneye.
DK64 and DKR both outsold Banjo Kazooie and Perfect Dark sold about the same as Banjo.

But if you're talking about what games made the most impact in terms of being the most iconic Rare games, then I guess you'd be right more or less.

Whatever comes next for Banjo I think it'll be on Nintendo consoles. That's where his audience is.
There's no way what comes next for Banjo won't be on Xbox consoles as well.
 

TheDinoman

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When I was a kid playing BK I was absolutely obsessed with the Jinjos/Jinonator. Favorite character in the game lol. I loved how they were the yoshis of BK. Can't believe they brought the Jinjonator back! Makes sense since it's like the most powerful thing in BK-verse.
You know when you think about it, Jinjos were really the eight red coin missions from Mario 64 of BK.

Collect a certain amount of something to unlock one of the world's main collectibles.
 

Kaban

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I think Rayman would be last “wanted” character before the roster becomes complete to me. I’ve wanted him in Smash since I played Rayman 2 on the N64.
 

Regulus Tera

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Yeah well Nintendo is now working with their theme park enemy so maybe that won't be happening.
Nintendo has been collaborating with Disney as recently as Wreck-It Ralph.
DK64 and DKR both outsold Banjo Kazooie and Perfect Dark sold about the same as Banjo.

But if you're talking about what games made the most impact in terms of being the most iconic Rare games, then I guess you'd be right more or less.



There's no way what comes next for Banjo won't be on Xbox consoles as well.
I somehow pushed those two games of my mind because I associate them closer to Nintendo, but you’re right.

I wonder now, how did StarFox Adventures do? Could that have become a series if Rare had stayed?
 

daTRUballin

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I somehow pushed those two games of my mind because I associate them closer to Nintendo, but you’re right.

I wonder now, how did StarFox Adventures do? Could that have become a series if Rare had stayed?
As far as I remember, Star Fox Adventures didn't actually do too bad. I think it reached at least a million in sales.

Given the story behind SFA's development and the general negative reception the game has, I'm not sure if it would've turned into a series honestly.

Take a look at Diddy Kong Racing for instance. A game that is beloved and sold millions and millions of copies, but has never gotten an actual sequel besides that weird DS remake. Though if Rare had stayed, maybe Donkey Kong Racing would've actually come out on the GameCube......
 

ElBoxyBrown

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Is it weird if I don't consider Banjo a third party rep, let alone one from a competing company?

That trailer was not "thanks to our friends at Microsoft" like Cuphead. That was straight up the homecoming of two beloved Nintendo icons. That was Rare's most beloved characters partying it up. That was Banjo proudly being center stage surrounded by other Nintendo characters.
The same was said for Mega Man.
 

Dr. Feel Good

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So what’s left for most wanted characters besides Geno?
For characters/franchises that make sense: Rayman, Waluigi, Steve from Minecraft, Isaac from Golden Sun, someone from Advance Wars,

Pipedreams: Geno, someone from Wario Ware, Captain Rainbow, Custom Robo character, Pilotwings/Wave Race/Excitbike, Bomberman

Non-nonsensical: Sora (seriously this is way more connected to Sony), Master Chief, Resident Evil representation
 

Weiss

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For characters/franchises that make sense: Rayman, Waluigi, Steve from Minecraft, Isaac from Golden Sun, someone from Advance Wars,

Pipedreams: Geno, someone from Wario Ware, Captain Rainbow, Custom Robo character, Pilotwings/Wave Race/Excitbike, Bomberman

Non-nonsensical: Sora (seriously this is way more connected to Sony), Master Chief, Resident Evil representation
What's nonsensical about RE?
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Damn, we really are approaching the age of "who is left to add?"

Geno is obviously still the white whale that fans want. But past him? I dunno. We're gonna have to get into some far reaches like Crash Bandicoot and Rayman at a certain point.
 

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If anything, Square-Enix hurts his chances.

Speaking of "lol Square" I'm betting we're only getting those two DQ songs that played on the Hero trailer. Notice the lack of new DQ music updates despite Spiral Mountain being on the Smash Bros website.

Square, in all of its foolishness, is just refusing to play ball.
Unlike with FF, it has absolutely nothing to do with Square Enix because they don't own the music of the franchise at all due to the initial contract of Enix with the big three. It's copyright is all owned by Sugiyama with what he composed since the first game and he's the one who controls it.

But no, probably DQ will have much more music due to it being orchestrated already
 

Yavga

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Let’s see... Characters that would to my knowledge steer up some more weird feelings:

- Minecraft Steve: For the teens
- Sephiroth/Kefka: For the edge
- Shantae: For the indies
- Waluigi: for the trolls
- Glover: for the surviving 6 fans
- Unraveled: for the EA
- Sora: For the Disney
- Katamari dude: For the surprise
- Pokey: for mother
- Vladimir Putin: for mother Russia