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Based on how tech has progressed since the Switch, how powerful could a Switch Pro in early 2021 actually be?
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Splatoon 3 looked just as jaggedy and framey as a regular switch I REALLY don't think that was running on hardware 3 -4x the power.
That was normal base switch gameplay footage. we'll see more I'm sure as the year goes on and I'm almost positive that nintendo would showcase Switch Next with a slew of comparisons on cross launch titles. I bet Splatoon3, BOTW2 and if true MK9 would be among them.
That was normal base switch gameplay footage. we'll see more I'm sure as the year goes on and I'm almost positive that nintendo would showcase Switch Next with a slew of comparisons on cross launch titles. I bet Splatoon3, BOTW2 and if true MK9 would be among them.
polygons haven't been a limitation for a long time (shading them on the other hand is different)
I don't think so...
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Only for that feature the person was considering, not that I think they would do it.
Of course it was base Switch footage. They aren't going to show the game running on unannounced hardware.
not sure if that's necessary. you won't be running many background tasks beyond downloading stuff and the occasional video recording
Yeah but it would be keeping multiple games open at once like Apps. Maybe the 1 A78 dedicated for OS would be enough? I do not know. But considered A55 for efficiency reasons and background stuff.
I really think BOTW2 being 2021 lives or dies with the launch of this revision. If I'm understanding correctly, the plan currently is still to launch it this year but March 2022 is now a contingency plan. So I imagine the plan for BOTW2 is also still to launch it this year.
I hope we hear more soon.
I hope we hear more soon.
They could try to push clocks when docked higher in order to stablize performance in some games that just need that bit of performance.
Depends on the games, some should get a patch but not all of them.
So was DF's belated look into Immortals just a random thing or was it prompted by something? :thinkingemoji
Pro launching with or around BotW2 is a hope, but the two can launch independently of each other.
only if those apps are actively doing something would the cpu be needed, like video recording or downloading. if they're just paused, doing nothing, then it's more a function of ram (or if the interface is capable enough, the storage, see PS5/XS's multigame functions). there's just not much going to need to many threads that 1 A78 wouldn't be suitable
random. they said in the video that they just haven't had the time to get to it
They took a look at this thread and thought "is there something we can do to make them go crazier?"
Oh I listened to it, just wondered if they were skirting around the truth a little
Uncapped games would see benefit automatically, games capped at a certain Res and Framerate would need a "minor" update (so x.1.x update). For games to utilize DLSS, it's either a patch (x.x.1) since it has TAA in the engine, for those that don't have TAA integrated into their engine need a major update (1.x.x) to add TAA into their engine which DLSS can then be utilized.
But the amount of first party games with TAA in their engine is unknown to me, I only know of the latest Xenoblade Engine supporting TAA so it would only need a patch to utilize it in the case of that game. I'm not sure if it is meant to be capped at 30 though.
For a game like Breath of the Wild it would require some work if it doesn't support it, so a major patch.
Or they can do a "minor" update that utilizes the new switch hardware to the fullest and not use DLSS for that.
Is there a list of first party Nintendo games that use TAA? Does Luigi's Mansion 3 use it?
Honestly I'd be surprised if BOTW2 actually needed that much more time itself. I would've thought it would be more or less content complete by now, so the release timing would be down to when they can release the pro.
If it's still requiring enough work to be potentially delayed 4-5 months from this fall then it really must be a pretty damn ambitious game.
BOTW2 will run with OG Switch. The Pro enhancements will be a nice bonus. Like what Nate said, they can launch independently of each other. IMHO, this is just basic deduction. It's a huge franchise, no point in limiting its potential market.
The Pro selling point will be 60 fps, 4k, and better visual quality. They'll probably line up another game as the Pro headliner knowing full well that game won't sell more than a few million due to the limited Pro installed base initially. Maybe Star Fox will do it.
The Pro selling point will be 60 fps, 4k, and better visual quality. They'll probably line up another game as the Pro headliner knowing full well that game won't sell more than a few million due to the limited Pro installed base initially. Maybe Star Fox will do it.
Because by the time he was doing that he had gotten his source fired (and possibly sued). And therefore nobody else legit wanted to work with him.
BotW2 isn't complete & the release timing isn't being decided on revision release window. Otherwise we would have been given an update yesterday. The fact they keep pivoting away from sharing information, dating SS in summer, and AoC DLC in November is shifting the game out of 2021, in my view. It would just be in their interest to have them as close as possible to give the hardware a major game to launch alongside.
Source wasn't privy to technical side & it was before a lot of the tech talk around NX started.
I feel like AoC DLC would benefit much more from being close to BOTW2 than it would from being spaced apart. Though I do agree about SSHD.
Really interested in seeing the game though... if they've essentially made the game by building onto an existing framework for 3-4 years now, it must be a pretty ambitious game.
One interesting thing in yesterday's direct are the number of 2022 big hitters announced. It does feel like a new Switch will be aorund then to take advantage. The games revealed, an Octopath style SRPG and Splatoon 3 also feels strangely similar to the Switch 2017 January reveal lineup, with perhaps the SE game being further along in development. The missing piece is Zelda BOTW2 which could well slip into 2022 as well and a new Mario game.
This is all plausible but I hope that Nintendo realizes that there is enough demand for new hardware - especially one with A78 CPU and an Ampere/DLSS gpu - to sell itself. It would be a mistake to miss holiday 2021 in an effort to co-launch with BotW2.
It could launch without software and see stock outs for 6+ months. Or out sell the Wii U in 6-months.
For the hardware? Let's say I'm confident it gets announced this year.
A delay to 2022 would need to be communicated in the next few months, as dev kits and third-party partners begin to plan software for the device. As of this very moment (Feb 18, 2021), I believe the hope remains for a 2021 launch.
I say as much in my podcast. 2022 is mirroring too much of 2017 and that's why I'm expecting BotW2 in 2022 -- based on the lack of news, the timing of SSHD, the still TBA WW/TP HD release, and AoC DLC.
Just 1 week ago i dreamed about 3/4 ps4 power and someone made fun of me expecting to much... =D
And yeah, the SS release in summer worries me.
This can only mean either BotW2 in november/december, or its moved to next year.
I...really dont see it. it looks slightly better than 2? but 2 was a first year game. if thats all what 2-4x the power does...
Did i miss something today?
And yeah, the SS release in summer worries me.
This can only mean either BotW2 in november/december, or its moved to next year.
Yes, I plan to ask a version of all these questions anyways. But I need to temper your expectations.
I expect to get vague, unhelpful answers to most of these questions.
And then I would only provide a somewhat vague summary of the answers to protect myself.
Sounds reasonable, lets hope for the best.
How did you like the direct?
I said something similar yesterday in the direct thread. Considering how they framed the latest BOTW 2 news along with Skyward Sword and AoC DLC, my confidence in a 2021 release for BOTW 2 dropped, but I'm not giving up hope.
Good. Not great. It served its purpose well. Project Triangle Strategy was my 'Game of the Direct'.
Oh... well, luckily I answered that above, haha.
If devkits have been delivered to 3rd party Devs, I suppose that it will launch in 2021 before the holiday season. It will be leaked at some point and it would kill holiday sales immediately.
A game console is probably going to get a lot more mileage out of 8xA78 than 4xA78+4xA55 anyway. The background load is pretty light compared to a more general purpose device, so it makes sense to devote as much CPU power as possible to games.
It's going to be a heavily case by case thing. Some games will probably be updated, but it's going to depend a lot on what Nintendo wants to devote development resources to.
Mario Kart 9 was in development in 2018
and it released in 2019 🙂
Mario Kart 10 is definitely in development though!
I think your numbers are off there if you are guesstimating for 3nm...
Even on 4nm an extension of 5nm, the GPU should be capable of more than that for under a 20w budget.
I know that 6/8 cores are better than 4*A55. I'm just trying to know if he had informations concerning the existence of the A55s. If he has heard about any implementation of A55s, it means that the chip would be using A78 instead of A78C and thus no 6/8 core configuration.
Maybe that's why they won't show BotW2 yet.
I'm sure they'll want to leave the best first impression possible so waiting to show the best version would be beneficial.
The Samsung 8N process is refined from the original 8nm node, but some changes were made apparently, but it seems the major yield issues are in dealing with manufacturing the larger Nvidia GPU's in the RTX 3090 and 3080. The 3070 is said to have better stock numbers and we will have to see if this continues with the 3060Ti and 3060, but such a small SoC that Switch Advance would use just has more flexibility when it comes to achieving better yields.
So I'm sitting here listening to NateTheHate podcast and I have to agree with them, I felt odd when they announced Splatoon 3 because Nintendo launched the Switch with Splatoon 2. In the grand scheme of things, the way BoTW2 is looking more like a 2022 game, the rumors of a MK9 in the works and the looming possibility of the Switch Advance hardware slipping into 2022 as well. Just looks like Nintendo are trying to replicate the same formula the og Switch launched with for the new hardware coming...
I agree on Zelda. Even without BotW 2 that's verging on too much of one franchise in a single year and risking consumer burnout (something which they're getting close to with 3D Mario in my humble opinion). I'm betting there will be a couple of older Zelda games as part of NSO too like maybe the two DS games or even an outside shot of the Ocarina of Time / Majora's Mask N64 versions to kick off the N64 Virtual Console.
From a business perspective there's no need for Nintendo to launch BotW this Winter imo outside of it being the perfect launch game for Switch Pro. I'd rather it stays in the oven for another few months to add as much polish as possible personally. They will want to top the original and that's going to be extremely tough.
And even then, getting in the ballpark of the Series S isn't too unfeasible even in 2021.
If the rough translation of the Series S to PC Specs puts it somewhere in the range of a GTX 1650 Super in raw performance then that is within reason to at least get in the ballpark of a 1650 in raw performance when docked imho.
Not match, but within 15-20% of the performance of a 1650.
And that gap, accounting for console optimization, and also if the SoC is running Lovelace which could help IPC/Thermals/Efficiency, the gap could be shrank in effectiveness at Native Resolution.
The main thing that would hold back the GPU then is clock speeds and Memory bandwidth.
And either way, an almost GTX 1650 running in a system the size of a smallish tablet is insane, and that is before RT Cores and DLSS.
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