As I said above, the war is already there. For people who screaming about being smarter, you're all pretty dumb to shit going on around you.
Battle For Portland: Video
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I don't think anyone's advocating that we seek these people out and attack them.
Rather that we show up with force when they do the same.
Advocating a war is not stooping to that level?
who exactly is giving them a pass?
Guess what? There was a time where groups weren’t allowed basic human rights. The 60s. How was it solved? One of the biggest **nonviolent** movements in American history.
Violence is not a first resort, and should never be.
Like i told you before, i'm in the UK. I am trying my best to be able to be in London on the 13th, to protest Annoying Orange's visit. My work is complicating things. We'll see.
As for you, i have no idea where you're located or what your travelling possibilities are. I'm sure plenty of American folks on this forum will be more useful than me in that regard.
Genuine thank you to you. I am signed up for the Nobody Is Above the Law protests, I never saw the rest of their campaigns.
Sorry about that. :|
Absolute myth. There were a lot of nonviolent movements, but the 60s and 70s were filled with violence: riots, bombings, shootings. You're very naive about history and what is happening now.
A) No, because it is a specific counter reaction to a hate group that exists to exterminate or torture minorities, and
B) It is not a mass scale civil war if the push back in physical terms is against specific demonstrations by hate groups.
There is a better way than this. Outlaw the assembly of hate groups. Republican law makers could start drafting that right now if they wanted to. I don't want violence, I want them to not be able to spread their hate for fear of prosecution.
Those weren't non-violent at all.
MLK Jr.'s death sparked massive riots, which led to the passage of the Civil Rights Act.
I too, raised an eyebrow there.
For the young folk (like me, kind of, but i keep regular contact with old folk liberals that lived the 60s), the 60s were a goddamn mess of violence and protest. Bombs going off every other day in the cities, cops killing large groups of people. Im always thinking about the difference between then and now. There are a lot more technological distractions at work now that I dont know help or will make it worse.
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The Civil Rights movement was not non-violent. In the end even MLK regretted the passiveness of the white-man and their ability to tolerate intolerance and saw that as the biggest hurdle in their fight.
What does that matter to what I said?
We did have to fight a civil war, the bloodiest war in our history, to free slaves, though
No worries mate :)
Just remember, if you go forward with it, be safe. There are basic precautions you can and should take:
https://right-to-protest.org/protect-your-protest/
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/kze8dy/how-to-prepare-and-stay-safe-while-you-protest
Damn straight. The myth being propped up here is that we have to choose one or the other. If violence isn't your thing participate non-violently, but saying that "this makes us look bad" is buying into the very smear tactics that the right uses. No one's worrying about how the fascists and the racists and the lunatics "look" because they've all congealed together. This is the battle of Cable Street people, we've got to fight these fuckers in every way we can. There are many legitimate ways to fight back that don't involve violence, but let's be goddamn honest with ourselves for once: it would be far scarier if a mass of Nazis were able to waltz down the middle of a major American city and all that showed up to stand against them was a bunch of people shaking their heads. This country is worth fighting for, the oppressed are worth fighting for, these people are worth fighting even if it "looks bad." I'm not going to fight them physically because violence isn't in my nature and frankly I wouldn't be much help, but I'm grateful that someone is there for me and others. This is what it means to put your body on the line.
Mmhmm. We're not at the point of the shit from the 60s and 70s though, why not try to control how far the fight goes before it gets there?
EDIT: WITHOUT STARTING PHYSICAL FIGHTS
As usual, those times have been whitewashed and romanticized. In reality, only when things became unsustainable through violence and civil revolt was progress achieved. And racists have been slowly undoing that progress ever since.
Technology brings a lot of extra variants to the mix. Better communications and assembly means but also a lot of quick spreading misinformation. Also more means of control and surveillance.
Thanks OP for the entire video. I had seen parts of it today but not the entire encounter.
At 15:45 that guy got the knocked the fuck out. I had seen it but not the part where he had to be carried away.
At 15:45 that guy got the knocked the fuck out. I had seen it but not the part where he had to be carried away.
You should probably read about history, because you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Like I said before, they'll be putting hatchets in our skulls, but at least we had the high ground I guess.
Probably better just to throw the moral high horse people on the ignore list, because it's infuriating to have someone attempt tell others what the "right way" to do this is.
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This is absurd. We've been throwing children in cages since before you born. Get outraged but don't pretend that this is some new step to genocide
These are all 2014
Here's 1992 when the US chucked a bunch of Haitian children in detention camps on military bases, penned them in with barbed wire and kept them there for 20 months until we deported most of them.
There's literally no excuse for the kind of ignorance that thinks this is anything new.
Well, that was exciting.
If antifa are going to be doing this on the regular then they might want to learn how to hold a skirmish line.
Nope. The guy who got his arse knocked out was antifa. (Or on the non-nazi side at least.) Dude had a baton and got whupped by an unarmed opponent.
If antifa are going to be doing this on the regular then they might want to learn how to hold a skirmish line.
And America trots on the grave of my ancestors, which it made. But I'll be damned if white supremacists allow a mandatory policy that abducts children and places them in internment camps while I say nothing about it. It is never too late to reject this shit. Who gives a flying fuck if it's happened already, nevermind the fact that in recent history it was more lenient. This country was founded on suffering and blood but we can do fucking better and it's time that we goddamned demanded it.This is absurd. We've been throwing children in cages since before you born. Get outraged but don't pretend that this is a new thing
These are all 2014
Here's 1992 when the US chucked a bunch of Haitian children in detention camps on military bases, penned them in with barbed wire and kept them there for 20 months until we deported most of them.
There's literally no excuse for the kind of ignorance that thinks this is anything new.
Fuck. White. Supremacy.
Dude, what?This is absurd. We've been throwing children in cages since before you born. Get outraged but don't pretend that this is some new step to genocide
These are all 2014
Here's 1992 when the US chucked a bunch of Haitian children in detention camps on military bases, penned them in with barbed wire and kept them there for 20 months until we deported most of them.
There's literally no excuse for the kind of ignorance that thinks this is anything new.
Both groups suck. The racists are vile scum of the earth. My issue with antifa is that they don't represent anything that the people on the left are actually fighting for. Dudes who LARP on the weekend finally get to feel badass af. Plus, is there any minorities ever shown within the group? From all the footage I've seen, both sides are both predominately white.
Your context is flawed. There was an influx of unaccompanied kids during the Obama years that needed to be dealt with. Sure, a bad way to deal with it. But the current context is that they take families, charge the parents, and force any kids to be unaccompanied, and then put them in the cages. Point being, context matters and posts like this dont help jack shit.This is absurd. We've been throwing children in cages since before you born. Get outraged but don't pretend that this is some new step to genocide
These are all 2014
Here's 1992 when the US chucked a bunch of Haitian children in detention camps on military bases, penned them in with barbed wire and kept them there for 20 months until we deported most of them.
There's literally no excuse for the kind of ignorance that thinks this is anything new.
Its plain fact. Trumps border policy is depressingly normal and continuous with his predecessors behavoir. The main thing new is the outrage.
I appreciate that people finally care but its honestly a bit repulsive how people are whitewashing their own attitudes and behavior by pretending this is new, rather then something that always happened that they previously chose not to notice or care about
Dude, I've always cared. How can you state that I just now care as a fact? You've known me all few minutes since entering this thread?
This is wrong. Its a flattering lie
21% of crossings involved criminal prosecution and seperation from any accompanying children under obama. For the other 80%, we just caged the children with parent(s) until we literally ran out of room. We also habitually broke families apart by detaining fathers seperately.
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People never learn. My mantra in political threads. If a post seems suspect,, check the posters history.
Since their inception Neonazi groups have been focused on not only recruiting people but very specifically encouraging them to join the police and the military once they've accepted the ideology. The FBI made note of this over a decade ago in a special bulletin.
Actually what i said wasn't wrong. But i get a feeling you have some other agenda.
I don't think so. What surprised me most about the video is that it looks like white dudes fighting white dudes
Unless the next thing you post is a full break down on why Trump's zero tolerance policy is based in hatred and cruelty and why Obama's policy was shitty but inevitable due to Republican politics blocking any kind of immigration reform then, no. I don't think I'll agree.
I will agree with others in that you're a poorly disguised troll looking to normalize Trump's separation policies by saying they're just as bad as Obama's. They aren't though.
I am seeing a ton of talk about violence and war coming from the left, but let’s be real here. We are not even at a point of mass civil disobedience.
Large scale violence against minorities isn’t 150 years removed. White Americans (with support from city and state forces) committed the single largest slaughter of American citizens by American citizens, when they torched the wealthiest and most prosperous African American community in America to the ground.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot
https://www.salon.com/2014/06/14/gu..._breaking_down_the_myth_of_nonviolent_change/
Get off the moral high horse and learn some history
Feel what you want and infer whatever agenda you please, it doesn't change that your version of events is sanitized to the extreme and lies through its teeth via omission. Unaccompanied children is a very long way from the whole story on why we had kids in cages through the Obama years and before. Do you deny the 21% separation rate or that much of the difference in rates was through imprisonment of mothers with children (up until that was ruled illegal in 2016)?
That you glibly excuse the policy under the previous administration with a shrug-of-the-shoulders and a dismissive "a bad way to deal with it" says volumes about the genuineness of your current concern.
Fascists are a promise of violence, their ability to recruit is an existential threat to a modern democracy. We're way past tactics that encourage the normalization of fascist rhetoric in a sad and naive attempt to avoid uncomfortable realities that a majority of this nation can mostly ignore, simply based on the color of their skin.
BY.ANY.MEANS.NECESSARY
We're letting this happen by our willful in-action. There no more room for moderates and both-sides discussions. They're coming for us.
