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AYF 001

Member
Oct 28, 2017
828
Crossplay should be something you opt-in, just my two cents.
Yeah, this as well. I know my friends and I were upset with queue times when we turned it off in Warzone, before the hacker controversy made it a big deal for a lot of people. We were just tired of trying to fight people who could win a 3v1 by instantly turning 180 and lasering people in the head with high RoF weapons, but console only search times would take 5 minutes.

Make a notification to console players plugging in a mouse and keyboard that the game will pit them against PC players too, so they can't use it to gain an unfair edge.
 

BlackJace

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
5,450
Yeah, this as well. I know my friends and I were upset with queue times when we turned it off in Warzone, before the hacker controversy made it a big deal for a lot of people. We were just tired of trying to fight people who could win a 3v1 by instantly turning 180 and lasering people in the head with high RoF weapons, but console only search times would take 5 minutes.

Make a notification to console players plugging in a mouse and keyboard that the game will pit them against PC players too, so they can't use it to gain an unfair edge.

Y'all really attribute you getting wavechecked in shooters solely to KBM huh?

It's not an unfair edge.
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,039
Eh, not really, we just want to have unified messaging so we don't repeat some of the conflicting messaging that happened with BFV. :) I'm sure more info and finer details on everything will be available as we go forth.

EA Play is next week, for example, and we will share more info on the game then. But as always, share your thoughts and feedback on anything we announce and reveal. Community questions guide us on what we need to provide clarity for.

Can you please clear up the crossplay stuff please.
 

AYF 001

Member
Oct 28, 2017
828
Y'all really attribute you getting wavechecked in shooters solely to KBM huh?

It's not an unfair edge.
We know there's been plenty of OP meta guns they add in every patch that you can pay $10 to unlock right away, only to nerf them 2 weeks later. But seeing every other killfeed be someone running at a corner jumping, instantly turning 90 degrees in midair and shooting, and going prone the second they touch the ground isn't something you can do with an unmodded controller.

I also remember the older BF games having issues with vehicles where mouse DPI settings let you snap turrets around instantly, making it almost impossible to C4 them if they saw you, no matter how close you were. DICE had to hard code realistic rotation speed limits into the tank turrets in BFV specifically to prevent that from happening again.
 

SapientWolf

Member
Nov 6, 2017
6,565
We know there's been plenty of OP meta guns they add in every patch that you can pay $10 to unlock right away, only to nerf them 2 weeks later. But seeing every other killfeed be someone running at a corner jumping, instantly turning 90 degrees in midair and shooting, and going prone the second they touch the ground isn't something you can do with an unmodded controller.

I also remember the older BF games having issues with vehicles where mouse DPI settings let you snap turrets around instantly, making it almost impossible to C4 them if they saw you, no matter how close you were. DICE had to hard code realistic rotation speed limits into the tank turrets in BFV specifically to prevent that from happening again.
The top players think gamepad is better for Warzone, including one of the few top pros still using mouse and keyboard:

www.dexerto.com

Warzone pro HusKerrs explains why controller is better than mouse & keyboard - Dexerto

Call of Duty: Warzone star HusKerrs has revealed why he thinks controller is better than mouse and keyboard for playing the battle royale.
 

DJwest

Member
Oct 26, 2017
7,141
Totally unrelated and a bit trollish but this was in my recommendations and made me laugh

 

ReDelicious

Member
Oct 27, 2017
734
This pretty well solidifies this game as my very likely favorite BF by far. It has pretty much everything I've ever wanted.
 

El_Chino

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,109
Probably a dumb question but is there any way to downgrade Battlefield 2042 on Xbox to play with last gen friends? Or would you have to own 2 different versions of the game????
 

Raide

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
16,596
Seems like they have not said how weapons etc are unlocked? Hopefully BF4 style?

Also, nothing on Male/Female variants of the Specialist s?
 

Tovarisc

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,390
FIN
Seems like they have not said how weapons etc are unlocked? Hopefully BF4 style?

Also, nothing on Male/Female variants of the Specialist s?

We just know that unlocks are tied to XP. If I were to guess I would say that using AR's unlock more ARs, SMGs more SMGs etc. BF 4 model for attachment unlocking is pretty dogshit, they would be better off by having weapon XP giving unlock tokens that you then let unlock what attachments you want when you want. BFV also had good model for attachments as you unlocked them in specific order and didn't take much grind to get them.

Specialists are basically heroes / villains from Battlefront or Elites from BFV. They have set name, age, gender and backstory.
 

Raide

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
16,596
We just know that unlocks are tied to XP. If I were to guess I would say that using AR's unlock more ARs, SMGs more SMGs etc. BF 4 model for attachment unlocking is pretty dogshit, they would be better off by having weapon XP giving unlock tokens that you then let unlock what attachments you want when you want. BFV also had good model for attachments as you unlocked them in specific order and didn't take much grind to get them.

Specialists are basically heroes / villains from Battlefront or Elites from BFV. They have set name, age, gender and backstory.
Agreed. Part BF4 with unlocking weapons etc would be good but choosing attachment unlocks would be great. The issue I had with BFV was having to grind through rubbish attachments to get what you wanted. Thankfully the game had hardly any to unlock, since they were mostly cosmetic.

Shame about Specialists being set. was hoping they had a custom option to build how you want. Will probably only be playing Combat Medic anyway haha.
 

bitcloudrzr

Member
May 31, 2018
13,883
Seems like they have not said how weapons etc are unlocked? Hopefully BF4 style?

Also, nothing on Male/Female variants of the Specialist s?
We just know that unlocks are tied to XP. If I were to guess I would say that using AR's unlock more ARs, SMGs more SMGs etc. BF 4 model for attachment unlocking is pretty dogshit, they would be better off by having weapon XP giving unlock tokens that you then let unlock what attachments you want when you want. BFV also had good model for attachments as you unlocked them in specific order and didn't take much grind to get them.
Would prefer BF1 or V's style of unlocks where you get tokens to choose for guns and attachments instead of just class exp.
 

OléGunner

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,275
Airborne Aquarium
Some good info here.
I just hope that cross play can be done between console platforms alone without PC.

The hacking and cheating+kB/m from that side make it not an unattractive option at all.
 

JJD

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,498
The top players think gamepad is better for Warzone, including one of the few top pros still using mouse and keyboard:

www.dexerto.com

Warzone pro HusKerrs explains why controller is better than mouse & keyboard - Dexerto

Call of Duty: Warzone star HusKerrs has revealed why he thinks controller is better than mouse and keyboard for playing the battle royale.
This means nothing unless you expect the average console gamer to be as skilled as this guy.

Honestly this whole discussion about m/k and controllers is baffling to me.

For 20 years PC players have been (rightfully) touting how superior and more precise m/k is compared to controllers in FPS games and now cross play is enabled and all of that is thrown out of the window and suddenly PC players are annoyed and get all defensive when console guys don't want to play with then and keep downplaying the superiority of m/k left and right.

On this very thread there are people claiming that m/k has no inherent advantage over controllers. It's crazy.

Every argument gets disregarded because a few freaks out of 20 million players can pull the craziest headshots with a controller, or because there is so much assist involved to even allow consoles to compete that in some instances it might be actually easier to aim with a controller.

Well not every console player likes to be overwhelmed by that much aiming assist. I always, always get pissed when I'm trying to kill someone and other dude just crosses my sight and my aim snaps to him. Happens all the time. Personally I always preferred more subtle aim assist, but that is just me.

Not to mention that we have no idea how DICE will approach this and how successful they will be in having an even and fair field for everyone to play so console players can actually have a chance. The guy remembering how much faster it was to aim and turn a tank turret on a PC on every BF game ever until BF5 is not wrong.

And this is just discussing input methods. There are dozens of fairly easy ways for a PC player to gain an unfair advantage. Going from just adjusting your FOV (something that thankfully BF allows on consoles but Warzone don't) to downgrading your settings not only to have higher FPS but also have an easier time identifying targets because the game in low settings render less or no grass at all for exemple.

And that is not even getting into the whole cheating problem.

But wait cheating on PC doesn't matter anymore because you can buy a Cronus or maybe even buy a dedicated PC with a capture card and have auto aim on Xbox! We should totally disregard cheating on PC because sure as hell there are cheaters on consoles too!

I'm half expecting someone to show a video of some dude on a controller pulling a sick Zerg rush to claim that controllers are as good as m/k on RTS games.
 

PeacefulDream

Member
Oct 25, 2017
811
(….)Shame about Specialists being set. was hoping they had a custom option to build how you want. Will probably only be playing Combat Medic anyway haha.
It's silly that they're set characters and not subclasses that you can customize the gender and such for. Seems like a weird downgrade from BFV.
 

Raide

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
16,596
It's silly that they're set characters and not subclasses that you can customize the gender and such for. Seems like a weird downgrade from BFV.
Agreed. I really see no need for specialist classes in a game where you could just as easily customise your character. It's just marketing fluff and something for DICE to push as " fresh and new"

Maybe you can Rank 20 some Specialist and unlock the trait/perk for a custom class.
 

bitcloudrzr

Member
May 31, 2018
13,883
And this is just discussing input methods. There are dozens of fairly easy ways for a PC player to gain an unfair advantage. Going from just adjusting your FOV (something that thankfully BF allows on consoles but Warzone don't) to downgrading your settings not only to have higher FPS but also have an easier time identifying targets because the game in low settings render less or no grass at all for exemple.
Back in the Refractor engine days it was always high res, high render distance, and minimum everything else to see everyone.

This is the best way to play BFV by the way, which was eventually fixed:
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Irrotational

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,132
I've skimmed all 6 pages and no one is discussing the really big news!?

Why does "playstation" get an R after it in the very first tweet of the first post, but Xbox doesn't!?

(Registered trademark, circle thingy)
 

elyetis

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,550
Y'all really attribute you getting wavechecked in shooters solely to KBM huh?

It's not an unfair edge.
Not that I'm very invested in all that, but I think it's a discussion worth having. I don't think there is a single answer to it thought, the impact of controles difference is very different depending on things like :
- aim assist
- skill based matchmaking

Like in a game with no aim assist and no SBMM I can absolutely understand players complaining that even an average kbm player is likely to wreck them.
If you add aim assist, depending of it's implementation, then it might be balanced, with each "side" having different up/downside to their controls, it might even be to the advantage of controller user.
With SBMM, I.. don't even know if that matter ( again depending of it's implementation ). I mean if a player can easily 3v1 other players from that same skill level, then it's either a smurf, or a player who has yet to get to his skill level; which is something which can happen regardless of multiple controls availables.
 
Jan 10, 2018
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It's silly that they're set characters and not subclasses that you can customize the gender and such for. Seems like a weird downgrade from BFV.

I suppose it is there to distinguish characters in some way, and to give it some flavor when introducing new weapons and gadgets. People relate to pre-established characters, as seen in many hero shooters of late.

We also don't know if these characters are going to be used in an online story mode. The co-op feature is yet to be revealed.
 

Ark

Member
Oct 25, 2017
329
United Kingdom
Not sure why anyone on PC is complaining anyway, if we actually get a proper server browser, any of your usual PC third-party servers will most likely all have cross-play disabled.
 

Black_Stride

Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
7,377
I've skimmed all 6 pages and no one is discussing the really big news!?

Why does "playstation" get an R after it in the very first tweet of the first post, but Xbox doesn't!?

(Registered trademark, circle thingy)

Unless im mistaken MS registered the Xbox logos but not the word Xbox so they dont force people to put the ® on the name Xbox when its just typed out, if you use the "xbox" font then you need to put the trademark.
Playstation as a word is trademarked by Sony, so even when just typing the word out in an official/commecial fashion you'd need to put the ®
 

elyetis

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,550
Not sure why anyone on PC is complaining anyway, if we actually get a proper server browser, any of your usual PC third-party servers will most likely all have cross-play disabled.
Not that I would want to disable cross-play, but we have yet to see if third-party server are part of the 2042 package. It took more than a year to get community games / server for Battlefield V, and the available option for them was extremely barebone ( at least when it was released I don't know if that changed afterward ), to the extent that blacklist wouldn't even be saved between each session ( making it painfully inefficient a preventing cheating ).
 

Gho5tstar

Member
Jan 16, 2021
505
VA
Immediately turning crossplay off when I boot this up.all my friends have one console anyway.none have pc
 

PanzerKraken

Member
Nov 1, 2017
14,972
Sounds great but most my friends are on last gen.

Wish I still had the option to play with them on smaller maps, not sure why I wouldn't be allowed. I can understand them not being able to join the larger next gen maps and such, but why can't next gen players get to play on the smaller mode/maps?
 

Irrotational

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,132
Unless im mistaken MS registered the Xbox logos but not the word Xbox so they dont force people to put the ® on the name Xbox when its just typed out, if you use the "xbox" font then you need to put the trademark.
Playstation as a word is trademarked by Sony, so even when just typing the word out in an official/commecial fashion you'd need to put the ®
Ha! Learn something new every day, thank you!👍
 

Overflow

Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,155
Wollongong
Going to add to the chorus of 'please let consoles match only with other consoles' as an option. I'm not unreasonably concerned about PC cheating and the obviously inherently better aiming of a mouse.
 

DarrenM

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,705
I think console only matchmaking will be there at launch, or not long after. Unless there's some financial reason, I don't see why they wouldn't give that option.
 

SapientWolf

Member
Nov 6, 2017
6,565
This means nothing unless you expect the average console gamer to be as skilled as this guy.

Honestly this whole discussion about m/k and controllers is baffling to me.

For 20 years PC players have been (rightfully) touting how superior and more precise m/k is compared to controllers in FPS games and now cross play is enabled and all of that is thrown out of the window and suddenly PC players are annoyed and get all defensive when console guys don't want to play with then and keep downplaying the superiority of m/k left and right.

On this very thread there are people claiming that m/k has no inherent advantage over controllers. It's crazy.

Every argument gets disregarded because a few freaks out of 20 million players can pull the craziest headshots with a controller, or because there is so much assist involved to even allow consoles to compete that in some instances it might be actually easier to aim with a controller.

Well not every console player likes to be overwhelmed by that much aiming assist. I always, always get pissed when I'm trying to kill someone and other dude just crosses my sight and my aim snaps to him. Happens all the time. Personally I always preferred more subtle aim assist, but that is just me.

Not to mention that we have no idea how DICE will approach this and how successful they will be in having an even and fair field for everyone to play so console players can actually have a chance. The guy remembering how much faster it was to aim and turn a tank turret on a PC on every BF game ever until BF5 is not wrong.

And this is just discussing input methods. There are dozens of fairly easy ways for a PC player to gain an unfair advantage. Going from just adjusting your FOV (something that thankfully BF allows on consoles but Warzone don't) to downgrading your settings not only to have higher FPS but also have an easier time identifying targets because the game in low settings render less or no grass at all for exemple.

And that is not even getting into the whole cheating problem.

But wait cheating on PC doesn't matter anymore because you can buy a Cronus or maybe even buy a dedicated PC with a capture card and have auto aim on Xbox! We should totally disregard cheating on PC because sure as hell there are cheaters on consoles too!

I'm half expecting someone to show a video of some dude on a controller pulling a sick Zerg rush to claim that controllers are as good as m/k on RTS games.
They weren't arguing that you have to be insanely skilled with a gamepad to stand a chance against m/kb in Warzone. They were stating that the gamepad has inherent advantages in that particular game that makes it better than mouse and keyboard overall, regardless of skill level.

Whether Battlefield will be the same in that respect is a completely different topic. I doubt it since there is more ranged combat in BF but it ultimately comes down to how they implement aim assist and vehicle controls. Skill based matchmaking will also affect the general experience.
 

medyej

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,416
This means nothing unless you expect the average console gamer to be as skilled as this guy.

Honestly this whole discussion about m/k and controllers is baffling to me.

For 20 years PC players have been (rightfully) touting how superior and more precise m/k is compared to controllers in FPS games and now cross play is enabled and all of that is thrown out of the window and suddenly PC players are annoyed and get all defensive when console guys don't want to play with then and keep downplaying the superiority of m/k left and right.

On this very thread there are people claiming that m/k has no inherent advantage over controllers. It's crazy.

Every argument gets disregarded because a few freaks out of 20 million players can pull the craziest headshots with a controller, or because there is so much assist involved to even allow consoles to compete that in some instances it might be actually easier to aim with a controller.

Things have changed. They have overtuned Aim assist in modern games due to crossplay/crossinput so that you literally cannot out aim a computer. The stats don't lie. All the top Warzone players are controlller on PC players except 1. Close range in COD is dominated by aim assist, because side strafe switches are perfectly tracked center mass, as well as things like jumping or anything a player does to move their hitbox around. Trust me if aim assist wasn't a thing you wouldn't see any m/kb player complaining about controller users in their lobbies/servers.

And yes, M/KB is a better input, that's why they never designed a soft-lock aimbot and called it 'aim assist' for m/kb to be able to hit targets.
 

gl0w

QA Tester
Verified
Mar 23, 2018
630
cross-play between ps5/xbox/PC OR none.
Not gonna bite that. I don't want pc on the loop when I'm playing on my ps5
 
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Theorry

Member
Oct 27, 2017
60,968
Hope they add it later then. I mean if you have enabled crossplay the crossplay between PS5 and Xbox Series already exists. They only need to remove the PC version from it. We even have a Xbox/PS4 crossplay
Guess this has more to do with PC players not feeling "left out" i guess?



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ɣGammaɣ

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,013
the middle of the woods
Not so happy about that, just want to opt out from PC Players. And I would like to know if I buy cross gen bundle, do I have to install it two times, to switch between PS5 and PS4?

Edit: Is it Shea Whigham on the cover?