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Imho most of the problem with Panzerstorm comes from most players only playing it in the most.. boring and inefficient way possible.
Not that some additional cover, and the like couldn't be good, or the game inability to properly tell you if you will find a transport vehicule on a flag isn't a problem, no map is perfect and this one is no exception.
Going on the side to backcap is easy as hell, and take about 30 to 45 secondes in a transport vehicle depending on spawn/flag you aim for, it's also better rewarded than in other map imho, since people are very slow at seeing/reacting to what happen to their own flag outside of C/D/E./B, and a flag like A even reward you with an additional tank. You are also at that point in a perfect position to flank the tanks likely camping around E & D.
Seriously a squad capturing A as the allies, and if possible, keeping a spawn beacon in the surounding area to easily go back to that point, can almost single handedly win the game for it's team.
Sadly most players would rather snipe from the church than doing some pur objective play.
Not that some additional cover, and the like couldn't be good, or the game inability to properly tell you if you will find a transport vehicule on a flag isn't a problem, no map is perfect and this one is no exception.
Going on the side to backcap is easy as hell, and take about 30 to 45 secondes in a transport vehicle depending on spawn/flag you aim for, it's also better rewarded than in other map imho, since people are very slow at seeing/reacting to what happen to their own flag outside of C/D/E./B, and a flag like A even reward you with an additional tank. You are also at that point in a perfect position to flank the tanks likely camping around E & D.
Seriously a squad capturing A as the allies, and if possible, keeping a spawn beacon in the surounding area to easily go back to that point, can almost single handedly win the game for it's team.
Sadly most players would rather snipe from the church than doing some pur objective play.
The transport vehicles seem like deathtraps to me on most of the maps unfortunately. Roads are mined, off road has a big risk of getting stuck or going so slowly that you're fodder for tanks or assaults. The game badly needs jeeps or bikes that are a bit more lively off road, just without the freakish BF1 physics.
Other than when you start the game; they are pretty much only worth using on Panzerstorm, where even killing tank with jeep C4/TNT is efficient, at least when there isn't a bug making TNT do like 11 damage.
They really have numerous problem :
- to easy to loose control/get stuck
- you never really know if you will find one at the flag/spawn
- German/allies are unbalanced, german have better/faster transport option
- more importantly I think, there is almost no room to breath and allow vehicles to flank outside of infantry range, just look at how close to the flags the out of bound is on Arras between A & D or even C & F. Compare that to Capsian Border and how much room there was around the flag cluster in the middle.
Twisted steel has more room on the side... but you are funneled into the bridges on one side with a high risk of dying from AT mine, infantry or tanks.
Hamada is slightly better on one side ( but punished by the german tendency to have a tank parked at their spawn, with upper ground advantage ) and access to E/F/G by vehicule also favor german, who don't need to use D flag and the bridge death trap to get access to the fortress.
Are you talking jeeps or half-tracks? Because half-tracks are definitely useful on every map due to them being a spawn point and having a protected MG in seat 3.
The other... 3 kinds? Are just to be driven and dumped. There are only 3, right? Brits have the quicker "bike" and more protected armored car, krauts just the jeep? Or is the bike also for germans?
Also doesn't spawn points have a little car icon on them when there are transports availible?
I don't think I've ever had an issue finding a transport when I want one, but then again I don't have as much trouble in BFV as others do in general.
The other... 3 kinds? Are just to be driven and dumped. There are only 3, right? Brits have the quicker "bike" and more protected armored car, krauts just the jeep? Or is the bike also for germans?
Also doesn't spawn points have a little car icon on them when there are transports availible?
I don't think I've ever had an issue finding a transport when I want one, but then again I don't have as much trouble in BFV as others do in general.
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Light transports are only good for jihad jeeps.
I enjoy the maps the most that provide a covered central area for infantry combat while having an open outer area where vehicles roam.
I enjoy the maps the most that provide a covered central area for infantry combat while having an open outer area where vehicles roam.
It's another one where if you're team are more interested in their k/d than winning it can go wrong quickly.
I struggle to judge these maps properly, if there's the slightest opportunity to hang back and try to get easy kills, this population will take it and this does reward having a lie down with an MMG. I imagine the test environment at DICE is all aggressive with smoke covering squad mates and recons up front popping flares and dropping sneaky spawn beacons.
I struggle to judge these maps properly, if there's the slightest opportunity to hang back and try to get easy kills, this population will take it and this does reward having a lie down with an MMG. I imagine the test environment at DICE is all aggressive with smoke covering squad mates and recons up front popping flares and dropping sneaky spawn beacons.
It seems like CoD is trying to take BF's lunch this year. 20v20, vehicles, larger maps, and going back modern. It honestly looks like a CoD BF hybrid. It's a good marketing plan; it's the perfect year to do it with BF V being such a disappointment. The Pacific content definitely needs to deliver or I see BF V falling by the wayside until the next game in the series.
I bet whole "Pacific" thing wont deliver good in any way. DICE just keeps on fumbling the ball constantly with V.
Edit: They fucking brought back magic "One bullet kills you from 100% HP" bug. Balance been uncared about for months now, map design keeps fumbling etc.
.... yes.
Interesting that not PTFOing is considered 'disruptive'.
I went hard for better in round and between round balance.
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It is.
DICE's position to date has generally been "let people have fun their way" which is how you get six people sniping from the carrier deck on Noshahr.
Maybe they are slowly becoming aware of the impact stupid shit can often have on the game meta.
Do we ever get their feedback/reaction to those community survey ?
Finaly played Marita, could have been a okayish enough infantry map ( nice setting ) if it wasn't for the close to unavoidable choke point in the middle of the map. As is, I'd say it's worst than Fjell... I'd probably only rank Aerodrome as worst, and I'm not even sure of that.
Finaly played Marita, could have been a okayish enough infantry map ( nice setting ) if it wasn't for the close to unavoidable choke point in the middle of the map. As is, I'd say it's worst than Fjell... I'd probably only rank Aerodrome as worst, and I'm not even sure of that.
This survery is much more detailed and focused than the last one. it definitely seems like they are fishing for datapoints so that they can prioritize development. There are some really specific team balance questions in there, along with questions about new content.
People really like Mercury apparently. I think it's too prone to spawn camps.
gotcha, i thought you were in disagreement. that being said, i dont think its something that can be fixed and not at all what dice should be focusing their very limited resources on
Yeah, I was more than a little surprised by the fact it asked about mid round ( and in between round ) team balancing.
It boggle my mind that Mercury is so well liked. The elevation and lack of cover kills it for me, it's salvagable thought, which is one of the reason why I want current maps reworks just as much ad new maps.
I really agree with you. Battlefield Is about that mix.
Arras tries to have it, but it's too merry-go-roundy and has way too few tanks. But... It seems that people love it? What the fuck.
Hamada Is Great, people seems that hate it, but it's a Great map that allows actual strategies yo flourish.
Feels that with the results of the survey, the game Will be less and less for me.
I don't care that much about the pacific either. There are tons of games with americans military stuff, eastern front was much interesting. Oh well, i guess the game needs to sell More first.
Honestly improving the way the game communicates, encourages, and rewards playing the objective would be like....fucking godly for the franchise.
It has to be newness. I'm constantly seeing players not get as far as the first flags before they set up their sniping spot, people can't think that's good.
Score is already overwhelmingly in favor of squad play. I can drag a 5 and 20 player into the top 5 if they just stick with my squad. Might be time to revisit hiding K/D until the end of the round.
People are more hesitant than ever to move up. You'd think a lack of 3D spotting and weapons that are a little more gentle would encourage people to move into caps but it's the opposite. People just sit in cover and don't care about objectives. It's very common for my squad to be the only one moving from cap to cap, while the team has lost every other flag except for the one we were just at. I'll hit the M key and there's maybe 2 dozen people just sprinkled around cover but not actually on any caps.
It gets really bizarre when you see 20+ blueberries all around a cap but you still don't have it, even though there's no way the enemy has that many defending it. This happens a lot on the E cap on Mercury for the Allies. Any cap that offers significant cover outside the cap suffers from this. Same for B on Arras for the Germans.
I think some combination of 5 man squads, hidden KD, and increased scoring/awards for caps is a possible solution. I'd also consider making all squad leaders spawnable team wide as a wildcard. Lessen the impact of being in a bad squad that isn't playing together. Fuck it, what's the downside of making every player capable of being buddy revived?
Pressing f to all of this feedback that goes directly to dice trash folder. They have no plans to remove toxic assignments or voice coms. Dice staff are tired of reading thought the common sense feedback. If you sit as a gunner in a plane you are wasting your time. Game is not balanced with coop vehicles or gadgets in mind. I would even go as far as to suggest that the solo snipers, mgs, pilots and drivers is the intended design.
Hello alternative dimension where Cod is seen as salvation from bf. I would normally laugh at the idea of this but here we are, looking forward to more cod info and impressions.
Above and beyond the call
Hello alternative dimension where Cod is seen as salvation from bf. I would normally laugh at the idea of this but here we are, looking forward to more cod info and impressions.
Above and beyond the call
I read somewhere that DICE leadership is totally inept, doesn't listen to their devs, and basically rules by decree. If they want something they get it, regardless of whether the devs think it's a good idea or not.
I don't get a lot things about this game. BF V is literally what not to do with your franchise.
I think it all comes down to not having resources and time to fully realize game before release. Them not having MTX to feed development ecosystem for months tells a lot about development of the BFV. It was shoved out of the door months too early and as result it's mess of half realized design ideas. Now they seem to be running skeleton support team so everything gets long time to be implemented and fixed.
No, simply no. The problems with UI/UX are the design decisions by the people who don't play the game. They tossed loadouts, made an absurd assignment system, nested 5 levels of menus inside My-Company, had squads locked by default, don't allow any customization from squad-respawn menu and more. The vehicle respawn system still confuses people because the vehicles take processing power, so they are hidden, but icon are on the map, yet when you respawn half of the time vehicles aren't there...
We lost so much speed and functionality between 4 -> 1 -> V.
The people designing UI/UX are not expert users, so they cannot acknowledge the problems. They don't understand how big of the problem picking assignments before the map is, completing those do 20 kills with a banana in one life tasks, how the players benefit from loadouts and why having more button/options on the same-screen is a benefit.
This game has a lot more issue than just poor UI design and usability. This game has a lots of fundamental design decisions that are half baked and/or contradict with each other.
Why MMG's are forced to use bipods for accurate ADS when LMG's serve 100% in same role and can be put into ADS any time? Same function with better accuracy, faster reloads and higher mobility. Some people use MMG's are poor mans shotguns by spraying from hip, but mostly they are gone because LMG fills same role and does it all better.
Why game has weight tiers for ground vehicles (wheeled / light tank / medium tank / heavy tank) with different calibers of main cannons as all matters is RPM you can fire? 88 mm cannon on Tiger 1 is as effective as 20 mm auto-cannon on four wheeled armored car, but 20 mm has DPS edge as it was higher RPM so Tiger 1 will die to it on direct 1 on 1. It makes no sense and throws out whole rock / paper / scissors design.
Airplanes are again detached from everything else, they just farm KDR by dropping mini-nukes on repeat. AA is extremely ineffective ( tank or MG42 or gun placement) so again, where is balancing?
Why infantry weapon balance clearly isn't cared about? AR's like STG's are so well rounded that they excel at all reasonable ranges. You can spray to DMR ranges as there is no recoil and bullet spread is too small. Their cure for Medic being not played was to give them low power carbines, lol? Medic is still very non-existing class as they just don't have well rounded range like all other classes. Hell they gave Recon those pistol carbines that excel from short to far range with ease where medics short carbines struggle at all ranges. From where these balance decisions come from?
Why there is just one syringe animation? There is no way to do safe under fire revives anymore. Have prone revive take longer, but at least give us option.
BFV was supposed to be slower and more tactical BF than previous ones. They even haD attrition. Then they removed for everything else, but ground vehicles.
Devs boasted about removing 3D, how now you need spot enemies with naked eye. Then proceeded to add multiple ways for doing persistent and constant 3D spotting for the team.
Etc.
There is so much things that just aren't consistent design or well thought out. Feels like there is two or three different project leaders and teams slapping shit in causing this chimera of function and design without cohesion.
Edit: Tides of War was supposed to be this epic journey through whole WW2 with constant content drops, very distinct rewards etc. I think they then ran into realization that they don't have resources for it and drastically scaled it back to be "Play mode X this week".
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Hold out at least until Pacific drop. It should be all over big content and fix drop for the game.
Game is fucked if that doesn't land well as it has MW to go against.
Depend.
Technically there is finaly less game breaking bug in this patch than there was during the previous one. There is fun to be had for sure.
But holding out until Pacific release is obviously the best answer, since by that time the game should have both more more content, private server, a better progression system, and *hopefully* less bug and better balance.
Yes, I agree, but I was specifically naming UI/UX choices as intended design (as opposed to rushed/underdeveloped/experimental). BFV is a wild-wild west when it comes to gameplay ideas.
The UI has to be some sort of internal build that they've slapped a coat of paint on and thrown out the door in a hurry. That big list of assignments to choose from can't be something anyone would design.
Its always been like this. There is no external incentive not to cheat in this game
Feels a lot more blatant lately, I guess cheaters being allowed to run rampant in Asia servers without bans encourages everyone who cheats.
so is anyone using KB+M adaptors or controllers on console?
Been playing firestorm a bit and the same platoons keep winning, when u spectate its kinda obvious theyre not on controller. My friends and I have been considering getting something like the Hori Tactical Assault Commander Pro M2
Been playing firestorm a bit and the same platoons keep winning, when u spectate its kinda obvious theyre not on controller. My friends and I have been considering getting something like the Hori Tactical Assault Commander Pro M2
Once upon a time, Fairfight was actually decent and caught most obvious hackers. The spinbotting rage hacking type. Given that PC is the smallest platform and the percentage of cheaters is smaller still, DICE just hasn't prioritized it the same way as they have in the past. The one thing that chaps my ass beyond belief is that many hacks can spoof the server into thinking hard cover (walls that cannot be penetrated by normal players) don't exist, so hackers can shoot you through roads and cement walls. There's no excuse for leaving a gaping hole in your netcode like that.
Yeah, I had my fill of Marita, I'm done with it. The visibility is just too poor. It's ridiculous, I don't know what they were thinking. Let's pick the worst time of day and make everything the same color palette. The game already has visibility issues then you go and make a map that exacerbates it. Great decision.
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dice were on vacation all of july. but it would be interesting to hear the honest opinion of dice BFV team on whether they feel EA is giving them adequate resources
I mean, realistically, what have they committed to? 3 unannounced maps plus some American gear/weapons. DICE can sit on weapons a long ass time, same as cosmetics. They can be worked on when resources are available.
I assume they are on the next Bad Company game and another Battlefront. They have to be spread pretty thin. Battlefront waits for nobody since it's a licensed game, other titles can at least slide to the end of the fiscal year.
They should seriously consider buckling down, fixing this shit, and relaunching as BF 1945 for the new consoles. Hell, make it F2P with a shop full to the brim with cosmetics.
Map quantity and quality as well as game health were my main concerns in the survey, was not pleased to see an option for more Elite skins as something the game "needs."
I assume they know that and that datapoint is there to dunk on the people pushing it as a priority. The survey is basically set up as justification for team balance and map work. Two things I think we can all agree are priorities.
They can go to EA and say "less than 10% of players give a shit about elite skins, we need time and resources to do maps" for example.
Already bored of Marita. Losing E and/or F as British just transforms the game into a downhill bloodbath. Partially because nobody seems to understand the concept of back capping.
This is the guts of what I was getting at earlier. Discussion around the time it was announced aspects of the first alpha build imprinted an idea of a slower, more tactical Battlefield experience which retained the roots of the series but spaced out encounters accordingly and put greater emphasis on positioning, resource management, and coordinated attack/defence. What we ended up getting is stripped of a lot of the nuanced game systems that help encourage this style of play in favour of something still fast, chaotic, and readily disposable.
Like I said before, the small maps and short distances between capture points, absolute negated impact of resource attrition, combined with extremely accurate, high damage weapons makes for a bland meatgrinder with no flow or pacing across maps. It's got some of the worst sense of successful capture progress and legitimate comebacks in the entire series. Despite all it's arcade nonsense and score changes, at least Battlefield 1 still captured this.
This is the guts of what I was getting at earlier. Discussion around the time it was announced aspects of the first alpha build imprinted an idea of a slower, more tactical Battlefield experience which retained the roots of the series but spaced out encounters accordingly and put greater emphasis on positioning, resource management, and coordinated attack/defence. What we ended up getting is stripped of a lot of the nuanced game systems that help encourage this style of play in favour of something still fast, chaotic, and readily disposable.
Like I said before, the small maps and short distances between capture points, absolute negated impact of resource attrition, combined with extremely accurate, high damage weapons makes for a bland meatgrinder with no flow or pacing across maps. It's got some of the worst sense of successful capture progress and legitimate comebacks in the entire series. Despite all it's arcade nonsense and score changes, at least Battlefield 1 still captured this.
If the Germans hold C, they will randomly spawn just outside of E and F on the other side of the mountain from C. The reason given by the map designer on reddit was that this is so rounds don't get stale.
They don't get stale, as you said. They just turn in to a faceroll.
I just trapped the Germans today too, can't imagine they had much fun. That's the danger of BC2 style 'crescent' maps where they aren't super wide and there are pretty well-defined lanes. It makes the combat in the pockets fun but the major drawback is the potential for a spawn camp.
Fjell has had this problem since launch and they haven't addressed it. There aren't enough distinct paths out of spawn so it's the most spawn camped map of BFV.
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Hopefully they do step it up. If the next BF turns out like BF V, the series is probably going to be hurting bad.
Hopefully they do step it up. If the next BF turns out like BF V, the series is probably going to be hurting bad.
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