[BBC] In China, Uighurs 'moved into factory forced labour' for foreign brands Apple, Google, Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony

[Huey]

I work for a multinational retailer (though not in its biggest market) and already raised this with the relevant local buyers when I saw this thread posted, I'm not sure what will happen but I'll raise it again next week.

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Good on you, more people should be raising this when it's relevant to their workspace.

Just throwing an ask out there to jschreier for some potential kotaku coverage. It's crazy to have seen almost no coverage from tech sites. Not even Wired who has actually been doing semi-regular coverage of Uyghur muslim oppression in China.

 

[Deleted member 19954]

Just want to share the views of Chinese in the mainland on Uighur's issue.

Hope the mods let me talk about this, not just banned me.
Just assume I am brainwashed by Chinese government regarding this issue.

In any right mind, almost nobody in the mainland support this, this issue simply does not exist.
Because the government intention is to give training to the minorities in order for them to find way of living.

Why the need to do such extreme "retraining camp" (as other called it concentration camp)?
This is due to these minorities at poverty condition, once exposed to extremist views, could be convinced to do terrorism attack.
In fact these chain of events are started with the Separation movement and then the terrorism attack at XinJiang.

Inside China, the government has managed to give skill to them, let them get the job, they get to keep on living "freely".

Now the reporting of the west media is totally different from China perspective.

The terrorism attack are not reported the same when it happened on other countries.
It is regarded as Conflict,

Re-education camp are reported as concentration camp.
Making them learn Chinese are reported as forcing them to forget their culture and ethnic cleansing.
More ridiculous were forcing them to eat pork and beer.

It get worst when we mention Organ Harvesting, All news regarding this are linked to Falun Gong.
A simple search on Falun Gong, Epoch Times would easily made them an non credible sources.
But reporting bad China is easily absorbed. even worst in reddit /worldnews

There is no reason for China Government to do all these things, other than keeping the region for themselves.
They need to keep this region, as even appearing as tough as they can, China is extremely fragile.
Allowing one ion to leave will cause others to do the same as they view the government as weak.
It bring no benefit in treating the minorities badly.
What is the point really? The could just bring out the tanks and roll over everyone to cause fear.

On this topic regarding Uighur are forced to these factory, in China, it is reported as China government has helped the minorities to gain a way of living in China by giving them skill to communicate with local.

The result, minorities get lift out of poverty, extremist views are limited, terrorism attack are gone(at least for now).

There are much larger issues such as working condition which causes suicide in many places.
There is no lack of labours in China to force minorities to work.
Some companies even outright reject Uighur for jobs.
Is it wrong for government to give job to these people? are they supposed to be left alone to faith?

How would other country deal with this issue if it happens in their country?
A region where the minorities has low income and ability, get threaten by Chinese from other region moving there stealing their jobs.
How would you change how China deal with this?
All the reporting are criticizing how they did this. Not how they should treat it.

 

[Villein]

hopefully this century we get to see a day when China pays for all it's disgusting crimes against humanity.

 

[Famassu]

Yeesh, I'm not gonna touch that post with a 1000-feet pole.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Just want to share the views of Chinese in the mainland on Uighur's issue.

Hope the mods let me talk about this, not just banned me.
Just assume I am brainwashed by Chinese government regarding this issue.

In any right mind, almost nobody in the mainland support this, this issue simply does not exist.
Because the government intention is to give training to the minorities in order for them to find way of living.

Why the need to do such extreme "retraining camp" (as other called it concentration camp)?
This is due to these minorities at poverty condition, once exposed to extremist views, could be convinced to do terrorism attack.
In fact these chain of events are started with the Separation movement and then the terrorism attack at XinJiang.

Inside China, the government has managed to give skill to them, let them get the job, they get to keep on living "freely".

Now the reporting of the west media is totally different from China perspective.

The terrorism attack are not reported the same when it happened on other countries.
It is regarded as Conflict,

Re-education camp are reported as concentration camp.
Making them learn Chinese are reported as forcing them to forget their culture and ethnic cleansing.
More ridiculous were forcing them to eat pork and beer.

It get worst when we mention Organ Harvesting, All news regarding this are linked to Falun Gong.
A simple search on Falun Gong, Epoch Times would easily made them an non credible sources.
But reporting bad China is easily absorbed. even worst in reddit /worldnews

There is no reason for China Government to do all these things, other than keeping the region for themselves.
They need to keep this region, as even appearing as tough as they can, China is extremely fragile.
Allowing one ion to leave will cause others to do the same as they view the government as weak.
It bring no benefit in treating the minorities badly.
What is the point really? The could just bring out the tanks and roll over everyone to cause fear.

On this topic regarding Uighur are forced to these factory, in China, it is reported as China government has helped the minorities to gain a way of living in China by giving them skill to communicate with local.

The result, minorities get lift out of poverty, extremist views are limited, terrorism attack are gone(at least for now).

There are much larger issues such as working condition which causes suicide in many places.
There is no lack of labours in China to force minorities to work.
Some companies even outright reject Uighur for jobs.
Is it wrong for government to give job to these people? are they supposed to be left alone to faith?

How would other country deal with this issue if it happens in their country?
A region where the minorities has low income and ability, get threaten by Chinese from other region moving there stealing their jobs.
How would you change how China deal with this?
All the reporting are criticizing how they did this. Not how they should treat it.

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No wonder Muslims are getting genocided in China, if many of its citizens are holding this kind of view.

I want to say so many terrible things to you right now, but I'll settle with fuck off, you POS. If this warrants me getting a warning or a ban, I don't care. Fuck. Off. You. Piece. Of. Shit.

 

[Maxina]

hopefully this century we get to see a day when China pays for all it's disgusting crimes against humanity.

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China will have to wait and get in line behind the US.

 

[sirap]

Just assume I am brainwashed by Chinese government regarding this issue.

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You could've ended your post right here.

Nice try, but please fuck off.

 

[Deleted member 19954]

No wonder Muslims are getting genocided in China, if many of its citizens are holding this kind of view.

I want to say so many terrible things to you right now, but I'll settle with fuck off, you POS. If this warrants me getting a warning or a ban, I don't care. Fuck. Off. You. Piece. Of. Shit.

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That was not my view, that is how most people in China view.
If you have any message that i could spread to them to fix these, i would gladly do so.
Show them how to fix this problem.
All i see in western board are "fuck china" "fuck their economy" "fuck them for supporting the gov"
But we are looking at billion of people, that are being lifted out of poverty.
You want to them to crush their economy and go back to living in poverty?

 

[StayMe7o]

Can we stop putting crazy people in positions of power?

 

[patientx]

So far only microsoft said / did something right ? Is this on the news anywhere mainstream ?

 

[sirap]

So far only microsoft said / did something right ? Is this on the news anywhere mainstream ?

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Not really. It would be great if more sites pressured these companies for answers, but they would have to talk about it first and that doesn't seem to be happening.

 

[Kaswa101]

Wth China. Those poor people :(

 

[horkrux]

the fact that this had to be pinned speaks volumes about how little people care sadly

 

[Messofanego]

That was not my view, that is how most people in China view.
If you have any message that i could spread to them to fix these, i would gladly do so.
Show them how to fix this problem.
All i see in western board are "fuck china" "fuck their economy" "fuck them for supporting the gov"
But we are looking at billion of people, that are being lifted out of poverty.
You want to them to crush their economy and go back to living in poverty?

Click to shrink...

Aside from most of your both posts being exactly parroting the words of Chinese authorities and the state down to "poverty alleviating initiatives" and JAQing off, I don't think you've read the leaked internal documents of how the internment camps are run and how oppressive they are in physical and social control. While you're banned, spend the time to educate yourself on the leaked 400 pages detailing internment/concentration camps:

China Cables: Who Are the Uighurs and Why Mass Detention? - ICIJ

To better explain China’s actions and the findings of the China Cables, we answer some key questions about who is involved, the crackdown’s origins, and the significance of the secret documents.

www.icij.org

‘Absolutely No Mercy’: Leaked Files Expose How China Organized Mass Detentions of Muslims (Published 2019)

More than 400 pages of internal Chinese documents provide an unprecedented inside look at the crackdown on ethnic minorities in the Xinjiang region.

www.nytimes.com

Data leak details China's 'brainwashing system' - BBC News

Leaked documents show new evidence of China's systematic brainwashing of Uighur and other detainees.

www.google.co.uk

Here's a testimony of a Uyghur woman Mihrigul Tursun to USA Congress (while pro-govt propaganda sources like CGTN try to say she's fake news):


Here's a few documentaries on how the labour programs work, how the Muslims are targeted, and the surveillance systems through undercover reporting:

 

[Richter1887]

Just want to share the views of Chinese in the mainland on Uighur's issue.

Hope the mods let me talk about this, not just banned me.
Just assume I am brainwashed by Chinese government regarding this issue.

In any right mind, almost nobody in the mainland support this, this issue simply does not exist.
Because the government intention is to give training to the minorities in order for them to find way of living.

Why the need to do such extreme "retraining camp" (as other called it concentration camp)?
This is due to these minorities at poverty condition, once exposed to extremist views, could be convinced to do terrorism attack.
In fact these chain of events are started with the Separation movement and then the terrorism attack at XinJiang.

Inside China, the government has managed to give skill to them, let them get the job, they get to keep on living "freely".

Now the reporting of the west media is totally different from China perspective.

The terrorism attack are not reported the same when it happened on other countries.
It is regarded as Conflict,

Re-education camp are reported as concentration camp.
Making them learn Chinese are reported as forcing them to forget their culture and ethnic cleansing.
More ridiculous were forcing them to eat pork and beer.

It get worst when we mention Organ Harvesting, All news regarding this are linked to Falun Gong.
A simple search on Falun Gong, Epoch Times would easily made them an non credible sources.
But reporting bad China is easily absorbed. even worst in reddit /worldnews

There is no reason for China Government to do all these things, other than keeping the region for themselves.
They need to keep this region, as even appearing as tough as they can, China is extremely fragile.
Allowing one ion to leave will cause others to do the same as they view the government as weak.
It bring no benefit in treating the minorities badly.
What is the point really? The could just bring out the tanks and roll over everyone to cause fear.

On this topic regarding Uighur are forced to these factory, in China, it is reported as China government has helped the minorities to gain a way of living in China by giving them skill to communicate with local.

The result, minorities get lift out of poverty, extremist views are limited, terrorism attack are gone(at least for now).

There are much larger issues such as working condition which causes suicide in many places.
There is no lack of labours in China to force minorities to work.
Some companies even outright reject Uighur for jobs.
Is it wrong for government to give job to these people? are they supposed to be left alone to faith?

How would other country deal with this issue if it happens in their country?
A region where the minorities has low income and ability, get threaten by Chinese from other region moving there stealing their jobs.
How would you change how China deal with this?
All the reporting are criticizing how they did this. Not how they should treat it.

Click to shrink...

Wow.

Words can not describe how disgusting of a post this is. Just how fucked up can you be to think this is okay? What a disgusting mess of a post this is.

 

[Deleted member 923]

Just want to share the views of Chinese in the mainland on Uighur's issue.

Hope the mods let me talk about this, not just banned me.
Just assume I am brainwashed by Chinese government regarding this issue.

In any right mind, almost nobody in the mainland support this, this issue simply does not exist.
Because the government intention is to give training to the minorities in order for them to find way of living.

Why the need to do such extreme "retraining camp" (as other called it concentration camp)?
This is due to these minorities at poverty condition, once exposed to extremist views, could be convinced to do terrorism attack.
In fact these chain of events are started with the Separation movement and then the terrorism attack at XinJiang.

Inside China, the government has managed to give skill to them, let them get the job, they get to keep on living "freely".

Now the reporting of the west media is totally different from China perspective.

The terrorism attack are not reported the same when it happened on other countries.
It is regarded as Conflict,

Re-education camp are reported as concentration camp.
Making them learn Chinese are reported as forcing them to forget their culture and ethnic cleansing.
More ridiculous were forcing them to eat pork and beer.

It get worst when we mention Organ Harvesting, All news regarding this are linked to Falun Gong.
A simple search on Falun Gong, Epoch Times would easily made them an non credible sources.
But reporting bad China is easily absorbed. even worst in reddit /worldnews

There is no reason for China Government to do all these things, other than keeping the region for themselves.
They need to keep this region, as even appearing as tough as they can, China is extremely fragile.
Allowing one ion to leave will cause others to do the same as they view the government as weak.
It bring no benefit in treating the minorities badly.
What is the point really? The could just bring out the tanks and roll over everyone to cause fear.

On this topic regarding Uighur are forced to these factory, in China, it is reported as China government has helped the minorities to gain a way of living in China by giving them skill to communicate with local.

The result, minorities get lift out of poverty, extremist views are limited, terrorism attack are gone(at least for now).

There are much larger issues such as working condition which causes suicide in many places.
There is no lack of labours in China to force minorities to work.
Some companies even outright reject Uighur for jobs.
Is it wrong for government to give job to these people? are they supposed to be left alone to faith?

How would other country deal with this issue if it happens in their country?
A region where the minorities has low income and ability, get threaten by Chinese from other region moving there stealing their jobs.
How would you change how China deal with this?
All the reporting are criticizing how they did this. Not how they should treat it.

Click to shrink...

Fuck off. This should be a perm ban..

 

[LinkStrikesBack]

But we are looking at billion of people, that are being lifted out of poverty.
You want to them to crush their economy and go back to living in poverty?

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Fucking hell, they're not being lifted out of poverty, they're being used as literal slave labour. No wonder China is so messed up if they got the majority to believe your nonsense.

 

[Ceerious]

Just want to share the views of Chinese in the mainland on Uighur's issue.

………………

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Unfortunately，this is the mainstream views of the Chinese people, especially Han ethnicity, regarding the Uyghurs issue.
By "mainstream views", I mean basically everyone thinks so.

 

[Puroresu_kid]

That was not my view, that is how most people in China view.
If you have any message that i could spread to them to fix these, i would gladly do so.
Show them how to fix this problem.
All i see in western board are "fuck china" "fuck their economy" "fuck them for supporting the gov"
But we are looking at billion of people, that are being lifted out of poverty.
You want to them to crush their economy and go back to living in poverty?

Click to shrink...

You are crazy. What we want is people to have human rights.

Fuck you, your government and anyone that supports such misery inflicted on these people.

 

[DSN2K]

I have flat mate from china and his views on Chinese government are pretty much in line with that post.He thinks Western press are against china and the talk of abuse in so called labour camps and factories is overstated.

 

[Ashlette]

Argh. Dammit nintendo. I'll have to boycott it until it resolves its nonsense. Just disgusting

 

[Everywhere]

I can't believe we have people like that guy amongst us.

And I can't believe places like that exist in 2020.

I don't think boycotting will help improve the situation, the issue is a lot bigger than that. And I'm not sure if there are many organizations out there willing to help Muslims. This is just tragic. :/

 

[Thronazuug]

I'm currently writing up an article for this, our site is pretty small in the grand scheme of things but every little helps to spotlight it, really.

I have a question though - is Uighur the preferred spelling? I'm seeing Uyghur more often, but I don't wanna step out of line with it.

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Thank you for helping to make awareness.

Other than you unfortunately all these people who are claiming they're game journalist can stand in the wall of shame in the history. Keeping an blind eye to this issue after a week, being silent after being notified shows they're just glorified PR for their own gain.
I'll put them into -avoid traffic to their site- list and remind them when the claim of journalism comes. No need to be easy on them. It's a bigger crime when you spare bigger help.

 

[1invisibleB]

Aside from most of your both posts being exactly parroting the words of Chinese authorities and the state down to "poverty alleviating initiatives" and JAQing off, I don't think you've read the leaked internal documents of how the internment camps are run and how oppressive they are in physical and social control. While you're banned, spend the time to educate yourself on the leaked 400 pages detailing internment/concentration camps:

China Cables: Who Are the Uighurs and Why Mass Detention? - ICIJ

To better explain China’s actions and the findings of the China Cables, we answer some key questions about who is involved, the crackdown’s origins, and the significance of the secret documents.

www.icij.org

‘Absolutely No Mercy’: Leaked Files Expose How China Organized Mass Detentions of Muslims (Published 2019)

More than 400 pages of internal Chinese documents provide an unprecedented inside look at the crackdown on ethnic minorities in the Xinjiang region.

www.nytimes.com

Data leak details China's 'brainwashing system' - BBC News

Leaked documents show new evidence of China's systematic brainwashing of Uighur and other detainees.

www.google.co.uk

Here's a testimony of a Uyghur woman Mihrigul Tursun to USA Congress (while pro-govt propaganda sources like CGTN try to say she's fake news):


Here's a few documentaries on how the labour programs work, how the Muslims are targeted, and the surveillance systems through undercover reporting:

Click to shrink...

Thank you for the well thought out reply to that (no words to describe them) as a Muslim reading what they wrote sickened me even more on-top of the think of your fellow humans. Seen the post late last night and was so vexed by it couldn't even bring myself to reply, one of those i need to get off the internet things.
Lots of OTHERS also had input, and i know there is no need to pat you all on shoulder but seeing that makes us feel more comfortable here so appreciate it as some places online can be real shit show. One of the reasons i avoid so many forums, agree with the sentiment its 2020 wtf is the world doing.

 

[Bioshocker]

Good luck blacklisting that lot from your future shopping lists :-/

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Exactly. We're all so deep in this it's virtually impossible to back off now.

 

[Mr. Gold]

I don't think we can avoid buying brands, the problem is too systemic. This is an atrocity but also reflects what happens with globalization, we need goods at a market price. All cellphones are made with child labour but they are also our methods of communication to organize against exploitation, the irony. In a sense, using cancel culture to fight this akin to finding a way for us to feel okay about exploitation when it crosses our moral line, not to actually fix anything.

 

[kmfdmpig]

I have flat mate from china and his views on Chinese government are pretty much in line with that post.He thinks Western press are against china and the talk of abuse in so called labour camps and factories is overstated.

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Supporting reeducation camps and slavery to own the West. That's quite a flat mate you have there. What exactly has the CCP done that has deserved anyone not being against it? From the purges of Mao to Tienanmen Square to today it's been nothing but a horror show.

 

[Josh5890]

Glad to see this get pinned. Sadly most of the gaming media seems to be ignoring it so far.

Just want to share the views of Chinese in the mainland on Uighur's issue.

Hope the mods let me talk about this, not just banned me.
Just assume I am brainwashed by Chinese government regarding this issue.

In any right mind, almost nobody in the mainland support this, this issue simply does not exist.
Because the government intention is to give training to the minorities in order for them to find way of living.

Why the need to do such extreme "retraining camp" (as other called it concentration camp)?
This is due to these minorities at poverty condition, once exposed to extremist views, could be convinced to do terrorism attack.
In fact these chain of events are started with the Separation movement and then the terrorism attack at XinJiang.

Inside China, the government has managed to give skill to them, let them get the job, they get to keep on living "freely".

Now the reporting of the west media is totally different from China perspective.

The terrorism attack are not reported the same when it happened on other countries.
It is regarded as Conflict,

Re-education camp are reported as concentration camp.
Making them learn Chinese are reported as forcing them to forget their culture and ethnic cleansing.
More ridiculous were forcing them to eat pork and beer.

It get worst when we mention Organ Harvesting, All news regarding this are linked to Falun Gong.
A simple search on Falun Gong, Epoch Times would easily made them an non credible sources.
But reporting bad China is easily absorbed. even worst in reddit /worldnews

There is no reason for China Government to do all these things, other than keeping the region for themselves.
They need to keep this region, as even appearing as tough as they can, China is extremely fragile.
Allowing one ion to leave will cause others to do the same as they view the government as weak.
It bring no benefit in treating the minorities badly.
What is the point really? The could just bring out the tanks and roll over everyone to cause fear.

On this topic regarding Uighur are forced to these factory, in China, it is reported as China government has helped the minorities to gain a way of living in China by giving them skill to communicate with local.

The result, minorities get lift out of poverty, extremist views are limited, terrorism attack are gone(at least for now).

There are much larger issues such as working condition which causes suicide in many places.
There is no lack of labours in China to force minorities to work.
Some companies even outright reject Uighur for jobs.
Is it wrong for government to give job to these people? are they supposed to be left alone to faith?

How would other country deal with this issue if it happens in their country?
A region where the minorities has low income and ability, get threaten by Chinese from other region moving there stealing their jobs.
How would you change how China deal with this?
All the reporting are criticizing how they did this. Not how they should treat it.

Click to shrink...

I know you are banned but I just want to say I feel sorry for you that you actually believe what you typed. I hope one day China's own citizens will hold their county accountable for these actions.

 

[Buzzth]

Just want to share the views of Chinese in the mainland on Uighur's issue.

Hope the mods let me talk about this, not just banned me.
Just assume I am brainwashed by Chinese government regarding this issue.

In any right mind, almost nobody in the mainland support this, this issue simply does not exist.
Because the government intention is to give training to the minorities in order for them to find way of living.

Why the need to do such extreme "retraining camp" (as other called it concentration camp)?
This is due to these minorities at poverty condition, once exposed to extremist views, could be convinced to do terrorism attack.
In fact these chain of events are started with the Separation movement and then the terrorism attack at XinJiang.

Inside China, the government has managed to give skill to them, let them get the job, they get to keep on living "freely".

Now the reporting of the west media is totally different from China perspective.

The terrorism attack are not reported the same when it happened on other countries.
It is regarded as Conflict,

Re-education camp are reported as concentration camp.
Making them learn Chinese are reported as forcing them to forget their culture and ethnic cleansing.
More ridiculous were forcing them to eat pork and beer.

It get worst when we mention Organ Harvesting, All news regarding this are linked to Falun Gong.
A simple search on Falun Gong, Epoch Times would easily made them an non credible sources.
But reporting bad China is easily absorbed. even worst in reddit /worldnews

There is no reason for China Government to do all these things, other than keeping the region for themselves.
They need to keep this region, as even appearing as tough as they can, China is extremely fragile.
Allowing one ion to leave will cause others to do the same as they view the government as weak.
It bring no benefit in treating the minorities badly.
What is the point really? The could just bring out the tanks and roll over everyone to cause fear.

On this topic regarding Uighur are forced to these factory, in China, it is reported as China government has helped the minorities to gain a way of living in China by giving them skill to communicate with local.

The result, minorities get lift out of poverty, extremist views are limited, terrorism attack are gone(at least for now).

There are much larger issues such as working condition which causes suicide in many places.
There is no lack of labours in China to force minorities to work.
Some companies even outright reject Uighur for jobs.
Is it wrong for government to give job to these people? are they supposed to be left alone to faith?

How would other country deal with this issue if it happens in their country?
A region where the minorities has low income and ability, get threaten by Chinese from other region moving there stealing their jobs.
How would you change how China deal with this?
All the reporting are criticizing how they did this. Not how they should treat it.

Click to shrink...

As a Muslim myself, reading this was very painful, but unfortunately not surprising. This is the opinion that many around the world have adopted, immediately equating extremist views with religion. The Uigher Muslims have been demonized as a justification to put them through indoctrination and it makes me sick to my stomach. What a fucked up world we live in.

 

[Siggy-P]

Just want to share the views of Chinese in the mainland on Uighur's issue.

Hope the mods let me talk about this, not just banned me.
Just assume I am brainwashed by Chinese government regarding this issue.

In any right mind, almost nobody in the mainland support this, this issue simply does not exist.
Because the government intention is to give training to the minorities in order for them to find way of living.

Why the need to do such extreme "retraining camp" (as other called it concentration camp)?
This is due to these minorities at poverty condition, once exposed to extremist views, could be convinced to do terrorism attack.
In fact these chain of events are started with the Separation movement and then the terrorism attack at XinJiang.

Inside China, the government has managed to give skill to them, let them get the job, they get to keep on living "freely".

Now the reporting of the west media is totally different from China perspective.

The terrorism attack are not reported the same when it happened on other countries.
It is regarded as Conflict,

Re-education camp are reported as concentration camp.
Making them learn Chinese are reported as forcing them to forget their culture and ethnic cleansing.
More ridiculous were forcing them to eat pork and beer.

It get worst when we mention Organ Harvesting, All news regarding this are linked to Falun Gong.
A simple search on Falun Gong, Epoch Times would easily made them an non credible sources.
But reporting bad China is easily absorbed. even worst in reddit /worldnews

There is no reason for China Government to do all these things, other than keeping the region for themselves.
They need to keep this region, as even appearing as tough as they can, China is extremely fragile.
Allowing one ion to leave will cause others to do the same as they view the government as weak.
It bring no benefit in treating the minorities badly.
What is the point really? The could just bring out the tanks and roll over everyone to cause fear.

On this topic regarding Uighur are forced to these factory, in China, it is reported as China government has helped the minorities to gain a way of living in China by giving them skill to communicate with local.

The result, minorities get lift out of poverty, extremist views are limited, terrorism attack are gone(at least for now).

There are much larger issues such as working condition which causes suicide in many places.
There is no lack of labours in China to force minorities to work.
Some companies even outright reject Uighur for jobs.
Is it wrong for government to give job to these people? are they supposed to be left alone to faith?

How would other country deal with this issue if it happens in their country?
A region where the minorities has low income and ability, get threaten by Chinese from other region moving there stealing their jobs.
How would you change how China deal with this?
All the reporting are criticizing how they did this. Not how they should treat it.

Click to shrink...

"No, no, see... The slavery is for their benefit. Cus they are lazy terrorists. All of them. Government repeatedly caught on video beating protesters and arresting people who speak out is just trying to help."

Yeah, yeah, fixing their economy by imprisoning and not fucking paying them.

 

[Kongo B]

Sincere thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention, OP.

 

[delete12345]

While you're banned, spend the time to educate yourself on the leaked 400 pages detailing internment/concentration camps

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Unfortunately, being permanently banned means that person can't read any of posts in this thread, let alone reading all other posts on ResetEra.

 

[Hero of Legend]

Unfortunately, being permanently banned means that person can't read any of posts in this thread, let alone reading all other posts on ResetEra.

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Well, technically you can from another computer or by logging off via cleaning cookies and whatnot, so he/she can read the posts.

 

[Messofanego]

Unfortunately, being permanently banned means that person can't read any of posts in this thread, let alone reading all other posts on ResetEra.

Click to shrink...

Didn't know it was a perma ban, it said duration pending when I saw it. But they can log out and be a guest with no cookies or whatever to read.

 

[Night Hunter]

It's great that this got pinned. Already brought this up to my boss, who, not surprisingly, dismissed it as a "reality we'll have to live with" ...

 

[Vash63]

Pretty sad to see. I wonder if there's any real way to stop China at this point... they're so embedded in the world economy and they clearly have no real pressure to clean up their act.

 

[Dekuman]

Pretty sad to see. I wonder if there's any real way to stop China at this point... they're so embedded in the world economy and they clearly have no real pressure to clean up their act.

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Engagement through trade is folly as it only gives them more levers, but we should never 'cut them off' and allow them to create a parallel international system, which what their development bank is by the way.

Trump's trade war is a mistake, but the underlying issues he is trying to address are not. He should have worked with the Europeans to engage China in that way.

 

[arcadepc]

As a Muslim myself, reading this was very painful, but unfortunately not surprising. This is the opinion that many around the world have adopted, immediately equating extremist views with religion. The Uigher Muslims have been demonized as a justification to put them through indoctrination and it makes me sick to my stomach. What a fucked up world we live in.

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China uses the old doctrine of the Soviet Union regarding Islam, religions and modernization in general and are making it even worse thanks to the internet and their own perverted notion of socialism

 

[Baji Boxer]

I wouldn't even know how to begin to fix this. Can't boycott a lot of these because of the way they're so tightly integrated into our lives being functional. U.S. companies, at minimum, need to be forced to extract themselves from these supply chains somehow. It has to be a government mandated solution, along with EU countries. Most of our leaders really don't give a fuck, and most citizens don't either, if they're even aware.

 

[delete12345]

I wouldn't even know how to begin to fix this.

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The first step is to vote for suitable candidates when elections are happening.

 

[Piggychan]

I decided that any future electronic purchases may end up being bought 2nd hand. I was going to pre order the new ACNH switch but that's been cancelled.

 

[MysticGon]

I decided that any future electronic purchases may end up being bought 2nd hand. I was going to pre order the new ACNH switch but that's been cancelled.

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What a great idea. Good for the environment too.

 

[Fahdi]

As a Muslim. This is heartbreaking.

 

[texhnolyze]

Exactly. We're all so deep in this it's virtually impossible to back off now.

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Everyone can make a difference from small things like buying the products second-handed and spreading the words.

 

[DiK4]

If this is the cost of living in a tech focused society it is simply not worth it and we should take a step backwards. Go back to living simpler lives and stop upgrading.

 

[MisterSnrub]

Nobody ever seems to bat an eyelid Nintendo doing this kind of shit. It befuddles their clean-cut image to know their hardware is being built in gulags

In the meantime, boycott everything. 95% of the time you don't actually need to upgrade your shit

 

[Bioshocker]

Everyone can make a difference from small things like buying the products second-handed and spreading the words.

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In theory, yes.

 

[Pancakes R Us]

Just want to share the views of Chinese in the mainland on Uighur's issue.

Hope the mods let me talk about this, not just banned me.
Just assume I am brainwashed by Chinese government regarding this issue.

In any right mind, almost nobody in the mainland support this, this issue simply does not exist.
Because the government intention is to give training to the minorities in order for them to find way of living.

Why the need to do such extreme "retraining camp" (as other called it concentration camp)?
This is due to these minorities at poverty condition, once exposed to extremist views, could be convinced to do terrorism attack.
In fact these chain of events are started with the Separation movement and then the terrorism attack at XinJiang.

Inside China, the government has managed to give skill to them, let them get the job, they get to keep on living "freely".

Now the reporting of the west media is totally different from China perspective.

The terrorism attack are not reported the same when it happened on other countries.
It is regarded as Conflict,

Re-education camp are reported as concentration camp.
Making them learn Chinese are reported as forcing them to forget their culture and ethnic cleansing.
More ridiculous were forcing them to eat pork and beer.

It get worst when we mention Organ Harvesting, All news regarding this are linked to Falun Gong.
A simple search on Falun Gong, Epoch Times would easily made them an non credible sources.
But reporting bad China is easily absorbed. even worst in reddit /worldnews

There is no reason for China Government to do all these things, other than keeping the region for themselves.
They need to keep this region, as even appearing as tough as they can, China is extremely fragile.
Allowing one ion to leave will cause others to do the same as they view the government as weak.
It bring no benefit in treating the minorities badly.
What is the point really? The could just bring out the tanks and roll over everyone to cause fear.

On this topic regarding Uighur are forced to these factory, in China, it is reported as China government has helped the minorities to gain a way of living in China by giving them skill to communicate with local.

The result, minorities get lift out of poverty, extremist views are limited, terrorism attack are gone(at least for now).

There are much larger issues such as working condition which causes suicide in many places.
There is no lack of labours in China to force minorities to work.
Some companies even outright reject Uighur for jobs.
Is it wrong for government to give job to these people? are they supposed to be left alone to faith?

How would other country deal with this issue if it happens in their country?
A region where the minorities has low income and ability, get threaten by Chinese from other region moving there stealing their jobs.
How would you change how China deal with this?
All the reporting are criticizing how they did this. Not how they should treat it.

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What a load of total, utter poppycock.
Some people have been put in these camps JUST for having a beard.

Please wake up.

 

[브라이언]

Just want to share the views of Chinese in the mainland on Uighur's issue.

Hope the mods let me talk about this, not just banned me.
Just assume I am brainwashed by Chinese government regarding this issue.

In any right mind, almost nobody in the mainland support this, this issue simply does not exist.
Because the government intention is to give training to the minorities in order for them to find way of living.

Why the need to do such extreme "retraining camp" (as other called it concentration camp)?
This is due to these minorities at poverty condition, once exposed to extremist views, could be convinced to do terrorism attack.
In fact these chain of events are started with the Separation movement and then the terrorism attack at XinJiang.

Inside China, the government has managed to give skill to them, let them get the job, they get to keep on living "freely".

Now the reporting of the west media is totally different from China perspective.

The terrorism attack are not reported the same when it happened on other countries.
It is regarded as Conflict,

Re-education camp are reported as concentration camp.
Making them learn Chinese are reported as forcing them to forget their culture and ethnic cleansing.
More ridiculous were forcing them to eat pork and beer.

It get worst when we mention Organ Harvesting, All news regarding this are linked to Falun Gong.
A simple search on Falun Gong, Epoch Times would easily made them an non credible sources.
But reporting bad China is easily absorbed. even worst in reddit /worldnews

There is no reason for China Government to do all these things, other than keeping the region for themselves.
They need to keep this region, as even appearing as tough as they can, China is extremely fragile.
Allowing one ion to leave will cause others to do the same as they view the government as weak.
It bring no benefit in treating the minorities badly.
What is the point really? The could just bring out the tanks and roll over everyone to cause fear.

On this topic regarding Uighur are forced to these factory, in China, it is reported as China government has helped the minorities to gain a way of living in China by giving them skill to communicate with local.

The result, minorities get lift out of poverty, extremist views are limited, terrorism attack are gone(at least for now).

There are much larger issues such as working condition which causes suicide in many places.
There is no lack of labours in China to force minorities to work.
Some companies even outright reject Uighur for jobs.
Is it wrong for government to give job to these people? are they supposed to be left alone to faith?

How would other country deal with this issue if it happens in their country?
A region where the minorities has low income and ability, get threaten by Chinese from other region moving there stealing their jobs.
How would you change how China deal with this?
All the reporting are criticizing how they did this. Not how they should treat it.

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Eye-

I'd rather live in poverty at this point than being persecuted for having a beard.

 

[Deleted member 5028]

If this is the cost of living in a tech focused society it is simply not worth it and we should take a step backwards. Go back to living simpler lives and stop upgrading.

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This is the problem. We've entrenched ourselves to the point where we don't have the capacity to let our lives be simpler than before. The sheer volume of societal technological gains in the past twenty years have been at the expense of others in our worker nations that produce said devices. We would need to break the current system and start over in order to change anything.

it's not just China making devices that's led to the problem but we've let the country buy into so much of the international market whether it's through corporations or buying up international debt we are beholden to them.

About half of China's loans to developing countries are 'hidden,' study finds

China's lending to other countries has surged in the past decade, causing debt levels to jump dramatically, and as much as half of such debt to developing economies is "hidden," a new study has found.

www.cnbc.com

It's not just about devices that are manufactured there, China is literally the biggest lender in the world to the developing market so they'd be able to flex their muscle to remain the only viable choice for manufacturing.