If these clowns had anything like a plan i would agree with you, but no they don't so fuck that.
We have to live here and deal with the fallout with just as much chance that the pain will make people more angry and stubborn.
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BBC: Theresa May wins confidence vote 200 to 117
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If these clowns had anything like a plan i would agree with you, but no they don't so fuck that.
We have to live here and deal with the fallout with just as much chance that the pain will make people more angry and stubborn.
These cretins talking about civility and bullying after they've spent decades taking about the EU like it's some sort of evil empire really grinds my gears.
None but if you have numerous protests over the vote then Parliament will crumble and concede to the pro-Brexit side. As recent polls have indicated many still want to leave.
While it would be satisfying to see the idiots in power who drove us to this point given a proper drubbing, I don't see leaving working out in that way. Those with the levers of power and driving the media narrative will present every shitty thing that happens because of Brexit as the fault of the EU, or the fault of "Remoaners", or the fault of Tories who didn't leap wholeheartedly into No Deal, or...
Frankly, I feel like we're closer to an outcome that leaves Britain crashing out, then spending the next several generations blaming everyone else for the problems we'll have, becoming a more bitter, less influential nation with every successive year.
I was born a European citizen, I would very much like to still be a fucking European Citizen.
I agree with you all. But I have this horrible feeling that it is going to get a lot worse for us and any resolution cannot be agreed, May is going to stall as long as she can. I don't think Corbyn is confident enough yet to call for a VoC because he has one shot at it and as we saw with the leader ship challenge the Tories will fall in line, ofc this might change in January but then we are only 2 months away from the expiry of Article 50. I'm positive there will be last minute talks but over what? Deal or no-deal not to mention all the hoops of getting a 2nd referendum on table and passing Parliament plus asking the EU27 for an extension of Art.50. Parliament has yet to even table it and the Grieve amendment failed (iirc).
The pro-Brexit media is going to turn savage next year, only stroking those fires further. Farage has already stated he will boycott a 2nd referendum and his cronies will follow. I personally think there should be a 2nd referendum but after this weeks events and seeing polls still very close is not filling me with confidence.
A 2 question referendum with remain or Mays deal on the ballot may be the only thing that can get through parliament.
No. The 20 or so percent of UKIP supporting hardcore brexiteers.
They've made it look like they represent the entire of the Brexit voting bloc but they're the No Deal fanatics.
I agree. I'm pleased that you left out No Deal as it shouldn't even be a voting option. Why? Because it seems obvious that most of the Leave voters still don't seem to have a fucking clue what No Deal really means. Hint: it doesn't mean that things stay the same but we're just out of the EU. Also the many negatives of No Deal are not Project Fear on steroids.
I said this a couple of weeks ago but I can absolutely see May offering a second ref to gain support at the last minute. It's her only option.
The polling on No Deal being frighteningly high is a reason to not include it in any such question.
May needs to offer another vote for the public to either ratify her deal or just stop this nonsense and remain now that all the facts are on the table.
May needs to offer another vote for the public to either ratify her deal or just stop this nonsense and remain now that all the facts are on the table.
No deal is only a thing for disaster capitalists and morons. If you back "no deal" you no longer have a say in the whole thing because you're deluded.
No one wants a bad deal and, as it stands, May's Deal (the only one on offer) is a bad deal. Remain is the only viable solution.
No one wants a bad deal and, as it stands, May's Deal (the only one on offer) is a bad deal. Remain is the only viable solution.
It seems like public sentiment has shifted decisively towards remain.
Why didn't they come up with a plan before the referendum? It seems silly that the vote was "the status quo or a hypothetical." They should pick a plan, whether it's May's deal or no-deal and have a vote of "Remain or [insert specific terms of Brexit here]"
Why didn't they come up with a plan before the referendum? It seems silly that the vote was "the status quo or a hypothetical." They should pick a plan, whether it's May's deal or no-deal and have a vote of "Remain or [insert specific terms of Brexit here]"
Yea it's super silly.
"You don't want blood on your carpet when I blow my brains out! So stop me!"
They've had DECADES to come up with a plan and had nothing. Even when the likes of Davis or Raab were put in the hot seat, so to speak, nothing came of it because Brexit is a lazy ideology that doesn't work and would never have worked. The only people intelligent enough to make it work are all remainers. That's not a "all leave voters are idiots" statement by the way, it's the people who brought this about - the Farages, the Johnsons, the Goves - they're all too stupid to actually form ideas. Brexit is a great back bench moan that never should have went further than that. Cameron tried to resolved a rift in the Tories by having a referendum on it (all because of tax evasion laws) and all it did was take that rift right down the population, aided by the Tory backing papers.
I'm watching all this unfold as an expat living in NZ for the last 20 years...
The country remains split and heading towards (I think) some serious civil unrest ....all I am seeing tbh is a hapless flip flop leader and a bunch of self serving politicians floundering to get a feel for the mood of a country still split down the middle (and I truly think it is) that itself is having the same "I am right and you are wrong" arguments while throwing around insults and holding their hands over their ears going "la la la ..I can't hear you"....
It sucks ......I have no solutions other than suggesting some strong leadership, compromise and real listening from both sides is needed. This is not about winners and losers it's about the future of the country... :(
The country remains split and heading towards (I think) some serious civil unrest ....all I am seeing tbh is a hapless flip flop leader and a bunch of self serving politicians floundering to get a feel for the mood of a country still split down the middle (and I truly think it is) that itself is having the same "I am right and you are wrong" arguments while throwing around insults and holding their hands over their ears going "la la la ..I can't hear you"....
It sucks ......I have no solutions other than suggesting some strong leadership, compromise and real listening from both sides is needed. This is not about winners and losers it's about the future of the country... :(
The compromise would be an EEA type deal while the Brexit bunch show they actually have a plan that won't ruin the country, the only thing they seem to want is a hard Brexit on their terms drawn up on the back of a fag packet. That's the trouble with asking questions when nobody put any thought into the possible answers.
It used to be fairly easy, but now it's pretty fucked and nothing is getting dealt with until this mess is sorted.
I agree - it's the nature of that EEA type deal that's at the heart of this.... and as TM's proposed deal has shown it's not ticking the right boxes for either side....who like you say really at the end of the day want one of two worlds - stay in / leave completely .....
Some would argue we had that vote in 2016 and little (to nothing) has been done to negotiate or plan from that position - and I say this despite the weasel type actions of some of the key leave players who imo have never been fully given the keys and told go on then "show us your brave new world".... ( any fag packet planning would have been well and truly shown up here then ...and I think may have led to a serious mood change)
...and some would argue people didn't know what they voted for and this whole process has changed the mood of the country and a 2nd people's vote will reflect this shift and we will stay in (status quo) .... we are heading this way and it's kind of where the majority of Parliament sits , but as I said would imo lead to civil unrest....
so yep ...it sucks.
lol....this is great, but if I was Leaver (and I really am unsure now how I might have voted) I would be looking at this going "Ummm, yes it was ...Bye"
So funny , but also fueling all those people who want to leave to just dig their heels in..
As an european I feel like the Luxemburg dude...hard brexiters think they can be extremist because the EU guys won't be, they will budge for the good of all. But people here think "You want no deal? Ok, no deal. Bye"
Every time I hear "But the EU needs us as much as we need rhem" I pray for a no-deal Brexit. Really hard
yep...and meme's like this will make devoted leavers even more devoted leavers and the split will continue....
But yeah I can understand the frustrations of the other EU members, it shouldn't be us and them but it is becoming that way - which makes me sad....
I don't wanna sound too harsh but there's really no love lost between us and the british, specially after the vote.
There's the misconception that EU people don't want the UK to leave; that's the case for politicians and people like me that have british friends. But not for the majority of europeans
I used to work for an english company and spend some time living in Crawley and Worthing. I have nothing but positive experiences from my time there. But then I see the brexiters talk and my lizard brain is like "Gtfo, close the door behind you, don't worry, we have your number, we'll call you if we need you".
Which we don't.
I'm really sorry for my colleagues but if we want the EU to survive we need to make an example of the UK. Plus some of them voted to leave
I mean, what did you guys expect?
Not harsh and I hear you....problem is we're a pretty resilient and stubborn country, so being made an example of (or thinking that we are) will likely only make polarising opinions ...well...more polar........
It's easy. You just have to look at an economic trade deal and instead of seeing a unilateral agreement between parties to sustain a workable import/export trade across borders, you see a battleground, a war between the proud, patriotic and dutiful British against the freedom-hating, bureaucratic rabble of Brussels.
It doesn't really matter after you leave though...not our problem how polarized you are.
But I'm not convinced that you will leave. I really don't see a no-deal Brexit. There's the only majority the house can reach I think, a majority of MP's againts it