Belief in God in U.S. Dips to 81%, a New Low
Eighty-one percent of U.S. adults say they believe in God, down six percentage points from 2017 and the lowest in Gallup's trend.
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Belief in God in U.S. dips to 81%, a new low
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There's a lot of people that passively believe, but will answer yes when asked.
There was a poll taken like in 2007 or so and more people in the US believe in angels than they do in evolution.
It's kinda sad the whole "In god we trust" situation started simply started to separate us from the communists.
en.wikipedia.org
In God We Trust - Wikipedia
It's incredibly depressing, as a reasonably intelligent person who has to live in a world ruled by imbeciles.
if god (as Christians conceive of him) exists I want somebody to explain the state of the world right now
The way I've seen this article posted and reposted on Facebook with comments like "America is fallen" "End of America is near" etc etc etc for the last few days has been really incredible.
that's still extremely high. in the UK only about half of people who identify as christian in that passive way say they actually believe in god.
34% of british people say they're christian and 56% of those believe in god, according to this poll. and this is a country literally (sort of) ruled by the head of the church of england.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that church attendance is under 50%, which isn't really that surprising.
Yep. Glad superstitious thinking is slowly decreasing, but 81% is nuts.
I mean yeah I added that caveat for a reason. If a god exists, they're either
a. An actively malicious asshole
b. Far removed from true omnipotence
c. Completely apathetic/unconcerned with humans
The idea of a triomni god just is completely at odds with reality
The clever part of this scam called religion is that the believers can bullshit their way through everything by saying stuff like "we're not meant to understand God", or "it's not for us to know as we're only human" or some shit.
God is testing us. Apparently god really likes giving pop quizes. That or it's the devil's doing, whom god apparently can't do anything about for reasons
I get that this thread, like all threads on religion here, is mostly just for people to dunk on faith and feel like they're smarter than other people. But this is like the third time in recent months I've seen this thrown around like a gotcha here but like this is accounted for and addressed in their religious texts, there are entire books about it in the bible. It's a bad argument that really wouldn't play like you this it would if actually used against the people you're imagining using it against. Just FYI.
If we aren't meant to understand god, but god is an all powerful and all knowing creator, than that means he doesn't want to be understood, which kind of throws some doubt on the whole "omnibenevolent" thing. If an omnipotent god wanted Mortals to understand him, they would, so if such a being exists and we can't understand them, that's by design
Many people believe but never gave two thoughts about it and couldn't care less (my parents lol)
Let's keep driving that number down. The sooner people get over this fantasy shit and start focusing on the actual world that's crumbling around them, the better.
Exactly. They will always have another answer in tow, and if they're lucky they'll make you look like the nutjob.
I've heard literally every arguement and they all fall flat. It's either "god works in mysterious ways" (which isn't an answer, it's avoiding the question, and again ignores that if we can't comprehend god's methods or motives, and god is omnipotent and omniscient, that means he's intentionally keeping us in the dark), he's testing us (because somehow an omniscient god needs to do that despite knowing the answer in advance as a necessary condition of being omniscient), free will (this ignores that an omnipotent god should be capable of making beings that have free will without evil existing, and tends to also ignore all the bad shit that happens completely independent of man's actions), because it'll all be worth it in heaven which is forever (ok, but then why bother with this whole earthly phase? an additional wrinkle here is that I've seen people argue that capacity for evil is necessary for free will, this means heaven either has no free will or people can do evil shit in heaven and both seem to contradict the core premise). There are a million different answers I've heard but they're all arguing backwards from the idea that god exists and are inevitably filled with tautologies because they need to work with both the idea of a triomni god but also the reality of the world we live in. But a triomni god should be definition of omnipotence and omniscience be capable of making an infinite number of perfect worlds where suffering doesn't exist, because any rules only exist because they allow them to.
If god has rules and restrictions that prevent the world from being better, either he's not omnipotent (because an omnipotent being by definition doesn't have limits, period), or they exist because he specifically wants them to and he could break those rules at any time.
Agnostic but that counts as a 'no'. If there's some sort of afterlife all I know is it is NOT the Anglo Christian version, that was just some made up bull shit. But I can never be absolutely sure that there's no sort of afterlife. (I wouldn't even be surprised if this was a simulation, nothing is certain IMO)
Problem of evil - Wikipedia
Scroll down to the Theistic arguments section for the kind of answers you'd get.
edit: wait, this is probably better
Religious responses to the problem of evil - Wikipedia
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I think a good chunk of these people don't actually believe but are scared that there's the chance they're wrong and will burn in hell, so they larp as believers when they are asked.
But the true believers are the scariest ones. And those are usually the ones in positions of power playing chess, hoping for their Revelations fantasy to begin.
But the true believers are the scariest ones. And those are usually the ones in positions of power playing chess, hoping for their Revelations fantasy to begin.
That's what makes it such a perfect scam. Cover all your bases. And with each major revision, cover even more and more.
I've done that already. The answers are filled with fallacies that kind of ignore that the definition of being omnipotent and omniscient means any reason that evil exists or why god has to allow evil only exist because god wanted it that way. A perfect being can not make imperfect creations. So any imperfections are by definition features, not bugs, because otherwise they made a mistake and are thus not perfectProblem of evil - Wikipedia
Scroll down to the Theistic arguments section for the kind of answers you'd get.
Even many of the people who put down "no religious affiliation" will say they believe in some kind of higher power. These are not all hyper-rational Atheists.
America is a SUPER religious country despite these trends (that I expect will continue) compared to other Western countries. Many people believe in something even if they don't go to church or believe in a literal interpretation of the Christian God because of many factors like cultural conditioning, society putting religion on a pedestal, the social sigma against not believing, etc.
America is a SUPER religious country despite these trends (that I expect will continue) compared to other Western countries. Many people believe in something even if they don't go to church or believe in a literal interpretation of the Christian God because of many factors like cultural conditioning, society putting religion on a pedestal, the social sigma against not believing, etc.
Being a debatelord atheist is worse than just saying no you don't believe and moving on with your life. The debate and agitation is literally part of day to day living for people to believe in their religious tenets, so you are just feeding into it. Pastors and preachers feed into this for their sermons as well.
If you just don't care and move on it's actually more effective, arguing is a waste of time.
If you just don't care and move on it's actually more effective, arguing is a waste of time.
I don't know... If I never read/listened to atheists explaining their views I probably would still believe in God somewhat. Debates are useless to change religious people, but not spectators.
I read it wrong and thought it said dropped by 81. 81% being the lowest is crazy to me.
Sure, but how does that relate to the article?
Sure, but how does that relate to the article?