RAP HAS NO MELODY OR HARMONY?
He said this on Kanye Wests internet too.
The cheek, the audacity
He said this on Kanye Wests internet too.
The cheek, the audacity
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Ben Shapiro doesn't believe that rap is music, cites music theorist father as his sole evidence
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No joke I for real once saw somebody here on era argue that any music with electric guitars didnt qualify as real music. Then we all bowed down in awe of how smart he was and took turns blowing him while he huffed his own farts.
always ask for a definition of what music is when this kind of bullshit happens and then watch them twist into knots while having a nice chuckle at their expense
even if you go with the noise set to rhythm there's music out there to challenge that definition
even if you go with the noise set to rhythm there's music out there to challenge that definition
When people say they don't like rap music it always gets an eye roll from.
When they say "rap isn't real music" i just assume they hate black people.
When they say "rap isn't real music" i just assume they hate black people.
millions of white people that chose rap music over their parents' respect: feeling rather vindicated.
"man i had to get stoned as all of thee fucks to even sit in a room to talk to this dude. then it took all my power to laugh instead of pulling his chair out from under him, while he starts going on about rap not being music"
This is a perfect example of the "conservatives do poorly in college" meme. He takes a stance, but can't really back it up, and he doesn't even feel the need to since he knows he's right. His facts are just feelings solidified through his own misplaced confidence.
This would be a D at best in English 102.
This would be a D at best in English 102.
People on gaming forums that occasionally gets on a soap box and proclaim what is a game and what isn't are relegated to the gutters and banlists.
Same should apply here.
Same should apply here.
What a fucking moron, here's an actual music theorist talking about the insane depth of even the most trappest of rap:
My favorite bit of this video is the proverbial mic drop at the end where he ties it into the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles theme song. Rap concepts, invading MY nerd space?! It's more common than you think!
My favorite bit of this video is the proverbial mic drop at the end where he ties it into the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles theme song. Rap concepts, invading MY nerd space?! It's more common than you think!
"I'm not listening to music theory from someone wearing a du rag!" -Ben Shapiro
Pretty sure he'll say that shit about all "ethnic" music. Only thing that counts as music to him is (ironically) Elvis.
Rap is pretty much exclusively melismatic, lmfao this dude knows fucking nothing.
That sounds more like a feeling than a fact.
Still music, though.
What's wrong with that? Lots of people feel that way. Throw in "most pop music" and I'm in the same boat.
Still music, though.
He's not being totally serious. In a lot of families and cultures, arguments are sport and another form of entertainment. "Arguments" like these are pet argument that are trotted out to have fun and laugh -you may actually believe the argument's contention, but the true purpose is to get riled up and see how far you can go in supporting an argument that is inconsequential. The more inconsequential, the more hilarious. Do this all the time with friends and family, haha.
And I'd argue he isn't a human being. One of the elements is compassion, and he demonstrates every day he has none.
In this context there's been absolutely a racist agenda within this "argument".
The guy in the video is as white as they fucking come
he looks almost exactly like Ben Shapiro, in fact
I like to think some snooty musician in Europe back in the 1500s turned his nose up at this newfangled violin everybody was playing, insisting this screeching and sawing had no real melody and continued belting out old tunes on his aging shawm.
Been hearing stuff like this for as long as I've listened to rap, even from people who claim to like rap. I'm not even bothered by it anymore, it's just stupid. Basically, if your definition of music excludes rap you obviously need to change it.
You could probably come up with some dumbass definition of cars that excludes electric cars, or of TVs that excludes flatscreens or idiots that excludes Ben Shapiro..
You could probably come up with some dumbass definition of cars that excludes electric cars, or of TVs that excludes flatscreens or idiots that excludes Ben Shapiro..
Ohh? I've only seen the vid in the OP. Knowing Shapiro, I doubt it. But to what are you referring?
When early religion was turning away from gregorian chanting to what we would now consider "church organ" music, music theorists at the time called the very concepts Ben Shapiro is extolling a literal sin.
- It supports his racist beliefs.
- Although he talks constantly about how rational he is, Ben is not actually rational.
Harmony's not required for music (i.e. early Gregorian chant). Unless you're rapping in a totally monotone voice, there's melody there and changing pitches (doesn't have to be on a traditional Western scale).
Of course this ignores that there's a ton of melody/harmony in most rap.
I do prefer hip-hop when the backing track is more interesting than just a looped sample that doesn't change, but that's my preference as melody grabs me more than lyrics in any form of music.
Of course this ignores that there's a ton of melody/harmony in most rap.
I do prefer hip-hop when the backing track is more interesting than just a looped sample that doesn't change, but that's my preference as melody grabs me more than lyrics in any form of music.
3. Stupid shit like this gets you clicks and attention.
The internet is so weird it is sometimes hard to know when someone is saying or doing something because they believe it or for attention.
Shapiro is such a piece of shit that I can believe he actually believes this take though.
Why is anyone even paying this guy attention again? His entire platform, his entire presence in the public consciousness relies on him saying blatantly stupid shit that racists will agree with and everyone else will get pissed off at.
Just ignore him. He ain't even worth the effort.
Just ignore him. He ain't even worth the effort.
He's been saying this take about rap, deftly serious, for almost a decade.
Something created by white people.
Yep. A lot of people have this Eurocentric view of what music is. It's what is overwhelmingly taught so you have people that cannot understand music from anywhere outside of a Eurocentric lens where the core and truth of what defines music is based on Classical music from Europe. Or in other words, the music rules white people made.
I'm surprised this is news to some people. Much like his unironic love of the DCEU, Ben's had this opinion out in the wild for a long time.
The thing is, he's a self-professed fan of classical music, aka music that is often stereotyped as either being amelodic or deemphasising melody in favour of other aspects of the work.
It would have been nice if that BBC interview had been the end of Shapiro. The first time he dared to step of of the kiddie pool of whatever it is that passes for mainstream US political discourse and he got absolutely eviscerated. I doubt we'll ever see him try that again. He'll just stick to taking this kind of moronic jab, safe in his womb of racist stupidity.
It be great if everyone in the music industry pounced on his ass and called him out for being a dumb little shit
This is the shit he does. He has establishes deeply ingrained racist and conservative views and he uses his little pea brain to come up with faux intellectual justifications for them so other pea brains can feel alright thinking they aren't shitbags.
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