Come on man, you are doing some serious mental gymnastics to try defend that sentiment. But sure, be ok with "Owning the Libs".
If their idea of "owning the libs" is voting for a progressive candidate with progressive policies, I'm not sure what the problem is.
This has been discussed over multiple threads. These kind of supporters are racist bigots. Come on man. They''re not voting for Bernie in the general. What do you think that phrase means??
What if instead of putting energy into courting transphobes, racists and misogynists who, if they even come into the fold will likely vote for more conservative Dems downballot and in the future, we instead focused our energy on activating and providing resources to the populations that currently suffer the most disenfranchisement and voter suppression?
Votes are votes.
We can absolutely provide resources and help those...when we actually have power to do so. Once Trump is fucking gone we can work on making sure disenfranchisement the GOP does can never happen again.
Man, you're completely proving every Black Dem who's against this endorsement right.
If they're actually being bothered to go out and vote anyways (even for as stupid a reason as that), I'd think there's a chance that, if he did win the nomination, they would vote for him in the GE because they don't consider him a "lib." I'm not arguing that these people aren't complete bozos, but if they're energized enough to vote already in the primaries and GE, then putting somebody like Bernie against Trump who doesn't immediately seem like anathema to them, like a more moderate Democrat would, might be a better outcome?
If we had the ability to deal with the GOP's disenfranchisement, you don't think we'd be doing so? You think they're just...ignoring the black vote?
Except at that point you've made a core part of your electoral coalition people who are actively hostile to considering those people. You think they just come along and vote and don't start warping the discourse around what is and isn't a political priority with their presence?
Sure in a perfect world. But on Earth, these guys are being trolls. Just look at their sub man. Don't be naive/
Name a single policy change Bernie Sanders has enacted to make the Joe Rogan audience a "Core Part" of his coalition? Is Sanders giving Joe Rogan a secretary position?
Of course I support that, but that's another issue that pretty much ever other Democratic candidate supports.
Then lets be constructive. What are policies that could be enacted, right now, with Democrats only holding The House of Representatives?
You don't think that questions about what initiative to put energy behind don't start considering "well we don't want to piss off the Rogan crowd, they helped us win. Maybe trans protections can wait a few years"?
Honestly? I think we should start a new thread. It could be pretty constructive.
This isn't the sort of thing we'd see until he was president, if it were to happen.
Frankly I don't see his campaign actually catering to tankies, so it doesn't worry me, there's no-one with decision making power there who's really listening to them. But there seem to be quite a few people running his campaign who are more than happy to go "look how awesome it is that Joe Rogan likes us", which worries me. Especially because one of Bernie's blind spots seems to be personal loyalty and I worry about who's going to get positions of influence in a hypothetical Sanders administration.
It feels like he's been running a GE campaign for the last month. You're not there yet Bernie!
Bernie's campaign will collect tankies (I'd say the majority of them) if they do participate (it wouldn't surprise me if few were active). Because no shit they'll support the most economically left candidate.
A random aside, but I wonder when people like that think the good part of accelerationism starts kicking in? I've been watching the worst case scenario for years in the US and UK and the support for the bigots hasn't collapsed and moved either towards being a left wing utopia.
My problem is not even really with Rogan giving his endorsement. It's that someone on the Sanders staff thought that it was acceptable to boost him. I don't worry that Sanders the man is going to come out next month with a new, bigoted platform, but I do worry that Sanders the political apparatus, if it wins in part due to the mobilization of the Joe Rogan audience, will begin making decisions of prioritization that are influenced by needing to keep the Roganites happy.
