The debate is a lot of us don't feel this is a fuck up. I can understand why people would be upsset over this, but I feel this is overall a boon for Sander's election chances.So my main pick is Bernie but jesus christ to anyone that doesn't think this is a completely unnecessary fuckup.
He hasn't just talked about it. He's yelled about how its is basically a "man fighting a woman". In addition to that he's spread bullshit about children trans care spreading lies that it chemically castrates them and its mutilation. He's a terrible, horrible person when it comes to this shit.Is Rogan's transphobia based on the times he has talked about a trans woman fighting in the UFC against CIS women and referring to her as a man?
Once again, you are not onto something.
Your conspiracy theory sounds exactly like Trump and Republican conspiracy theories justifying voter suppression. It's not smart, and isn't based on the reality of how people vote, and what they do.
Running as a racist in the general would help his chances too. Is that what you want?The debate is a lot of us don't feel this is a fuck up. I can understand why people would be upsset over this, but I feel this is overall a boon for Sander's election chances.
Yep, thats right. Thats exactly what I want. You figured it out.Running as a racist in the general would help his chances too. Is that what you want?
The debate is a lot of us don't feel this is a fuck up. I can understand why people would be upsset over this, but I feel this is overall a boon for Sander's election chances.
The endorsement. I really don't see why Bernie advertising he got the endorsement of a HUMONGOUS podcast host is such a big deal. Its not like he's making Joe a cabinet member or some shit. I don't like Joe either, but there's somethign to pay attention to when the fact that this is generating 10 times the amount of buzz that endorsement from the NYTimes gave, which was laughed at and did nothing for Warren and KlobacherWhich "this" do you mean? Getting an endorsement, or signal-boosting Rogan on Twitter and elsewhere?
He's promoting an endorsement from a guy you can't event endorse on this site because he's such a shitbag! The fuck are you doing dismissing these people's reactions?The debate is a lot of us don't feel this is a fuck up. I can understand why people would be upsset over this, but I feel this is overall a boon for Sander's election chances.
The endorsement. I really don't see why Bernie advertising he got the endorsement of a HUMONGOUS podcast host is such a big deal. Its not like he's making Joe a cabinet member or some shit.
I literally just said "I understand why people would be upset over this." Its okay to disagree on if this is a good political move or not. Look at the Staff post. It says it right there.He's promoting an endorsement from a guy you can't event endorse on this site because he's such a shitbag! The fuck are you doing dismissing these people's reactions?
Who is advocating for the prioritization of bigots? The Bernie Sanders campaign, who is supported by a majority of women and people of color?
And just who are these bigots? JRE is ranked 1st or 2nd any given day on podcast charts. It gets 200 million downloads every month. You couldn't prove a majority of these people are racists and transphobes even if you tried.
You added a "but' right after it dude. "I get why people are upset over transphobia and racism but" And don't bring in the staff post when I'm following it just fine. Otherwise report me.I literally just said "I understand why people would be upset over this." Its okay to disagree on if this is a good political move or not. Look at the Staff post. It says it right there.
You added a "but' right after it dude. "I get why people are upset over transphobia and racism but" And don't bring in the staff post when I'm following it just fine. Otherwise report me.
but I can't disagree with differing opinions or find them distasteful? coolThe staff post said debate and differing opinions are allowed.
Apparently disagreeing isn't a part of debating or having a different opinion lolbut I can't disagree with differing opinions or find them distasteful? cool
The same reason Warren and Biden tried to get booked on it, apparently, because it has an insane demographic spread. One episode might be Joe showing his ass with another comedian and doubling down on all of his -isms, but another might have on Matt Taibbi or Dr. Cornel West or Robert Downey Jr.
So it seems the consensus is that Rogan is a flaming shit bag with a large audience that Bernie should definitely leverage, because winning is the only goal and this is what savvy politicians do.
I just want to be perfectly clear so when the goal posts are eventually moved the next time someone in his orbit craps on the proverbial rug, we can skip the recriminations and just link back to this post.
He didn't call a theater full of black people planet of the apes?Rogan a bigot? Have any of you ever even listened to him or just regurgitate what your told?
Sorry, are you saying most women support Sanders, or are you saying Bernie's coalition is majority women and people of color?
Oh yeah I don't think he should either. It'd alienate the Rogan people and cause backlash against the very people that Rogan's policies hurt. That doesn't mean we should make excuses. He can do better moving forward.
Why is white supremacy a dominant ideology in western culture? Why is transphobia such a dominant trend?
That is true of every single candidate running for president, including Donald Trump.
probably because a lot of people are racist and transphobic and a bunch of other people are always ready to say no actually they aren't
and, anyway, most of the people really mad about this already hate Bernie, so it isn't like he has anything to lose. Getting someone like Joe Rogan on board with Sanders is a huge boon to progressive causes precisely because of all the reasons people find him problematic.
Of course, but the conversation was about a very specific and silly assumption.
so we should engage with some of the people who argue the latter! right! you get politics.
Rogan a bigot? Have any of you ever even listened to him or just regurgitate what your told?
Right, and since your statement is true of every candidate, including Donald Trump, it does nothing to dispel that assumption. Would you say Donald Trump is obviously not prioritizing bigots, since his coalition is majority women and people of color?
That's what I'm doing, with you, right now. Stop covering up for racists and transphobes. You're making the world worse!
Excluding his wealth and fame he is about as regular a dude for his age that I can think of. That includes his racism and transphobia. Doesn't mean those aspects of him aren't shitty but the take that he is some kind of extremist says more about how much of a bubble some people are living in.For the people who are out of touch, what's wrong with Joe Rogan? I read some info in this thread but he sounds like an oke guy?
For the people who are out of touch, what's wrong with Joe Rogan? I read some info in this thread but he sounds like an oke guy?
No. A lot of the people who are mad about this are the marginalized groups that Rogan has directed his bigotry toward. You can't handwave away this unforced error as salty anti-Bernie people.
Lmao way to assume that I have no skin in the game either (I'm Latino and my wife is Iranian). Personally, as someone who hates Joe Rogan and basically agrees with everyone in the thread that he sucks, the dude has a huge audience of impressionable men. It's an extremely good thing for basically any marginalized person in this country if Bernie gain votes from transphobes/bigots/whatever because he is doing so without budging an inch on his insanely progressive platform. I swear to god, I have an annoying/maddeningly apathetic childhood friend who swears byJRE and has already registered as a democrat to vote in the CA primary. That's a great thing!
He gets shitty people on his podcast and instead of debating them and challenging them to expose how shitty they are, he does not not care and the guests actually get more fans due to being exposed them. Basically he gives them a platform.For the people who are out of touch, what's wrong with Joe Rogan? I read some info in this thread but he sounds like an oke guy?
Does Donald Trump have a platform that is specifically designed around remuneration for marginalized and underprivileged people? Does he have a history of supporting anti-racist and queer and trans causes?
It's interesting that you edited out my question to you as to whether you were being deliberately deceptive, and changed the subject to avoid admitting that your original statement is meaningless and carries no weight.
Personally I'm choosing to vote how the majority of POC voters are choosing to vote in the primary and voting for the Rogan-backed candidate.Ugh, it's incredible to me that the Democratic platform and candidate is now being decided by more asshole men and y'all think that's ok. And that some of y'all are so quick to cast aside the actual minorities who vote in every Democratic election because white men's votes are more important than ours. This is the primary, not general election. Bringing a group of men who already wouldn't vote for a woman or person of color doesn't help people like me, a black woman. That's why many of us don't trust Sanders or his supporters. How can I expect him to put my interests on the table once he's in?
Edit - and by asshole men, I mean Rogan fans.
This is not true in the slightest.
I'll mention it a third time. You are not on to something. This isn't a smart idea, and sounds like it could come right out of a Republican's mouth if you just exchanged a few words.it's not a conspiracy theory to suggest that a bunch of former Republican voters, deliberately choosing to vote in the Democratic primary to "own the libs," are not actually that likely to go ahead and vote for that candidate when they are actually up against the Republican they voted for already lol
as I said, what gives you the idea they will actually vote for Bernie in the general
I don't want to come off as defending Joe Rogan here but...you really think the entirety of his listeners are Nazis? Because thats a lot of Nazis if so."Nazis are ok in the coalition as long as they're economically left" is what those people are saying.