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Bernie really out here cutting ads with Joe Rogan's endorsement (SEE STAFF POST)
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I fail to see how. He's done about all that he can as an Independent operating outside of the democratic party made bad bills less bad and good bills better. Many value thay over prolifically stamping your name on a bunch of problematic and awful legislation.
Painting that as a negative means you fundamentally misunderstand Bernies support. People want someone to change Washington, not someone neck deep in making it what it is.
‘I know Joe’s heart’: Why black voters are backing Joe Biden
After Kamala Harris challenged Joe Biden’s past opposition to school busing in a nationally televised Democratic presidential debate, the former vice president who prides himself on strong relationships in the black community was in an unfamiliar place, playing defense on race.
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An article about why he is supported in spite of his gaffes on race, problematic associations, and troubling legislative history bolsters neither your original point that this endorsement is the death knell of bernie in the south, nor that Bernies legislative history are problems.‘I know Joe’s heart’: Why black voters are backing Joe Biden
After Kamala Harris challenged Joe Biden’s past opposition to school busing in a nationally televised Democratic presidential debate, the former vice president who prides himself on strong relationships in the black community was in an unfamiliar place, playing defense on race.
Everyone knows Joe is currently leading amongst AA voters. Duh.
IMO the endorsement of 200,000+ Joe Rogans should be regarded as less harmful than the endorsement of a single person who voted for the Iraq War. Or the premier newspaper that pushed it to the masses, for that matter.
I would rather Bernie be endorsed by Joe Rogan than someone who believes Americans should still be dying from preventable illnesses by being uninsured or underinsured, or that gender affirmation shouldn't be a guaranteed facet of healthcare for people who want and need it. How many people in Washington are irredeemable ghouls, and why do we scrutinize their endorsements less than the chimp podcaster?
I would rather Bernie be endorsed by Joe Rogan than someone who believes Americans should still be dying from preventable illnesses by being uninsured or underinsured, or that gender affirmation shouldn't be a guaranteed facet of healthcare for people who want and need it. How many people in Washington are irredeemable ghouls, and why do we scrutinize their endorsements less than the chimp podcaster?
Personally not since I left the military (Though I think that's more myself and my wife's own lack of desire to get to know people) but I would agree this fits the mold that Kirblar argued earlier because while small, they do have are small community of people that'll will help each other out whenever something bad happens financially. Below is what Kirblar wrote.
I guess my stronger issue is that Kirblar use this principle to tie it to other things. Or as The Hunter alluded to 'Populism' which I personally think is a more sidelined measurement of 'How little representation I have in government and how much do I desire to have representation in government'. (I would say that the Tea Party was populist and socially Conservative and right learning economically for example. They were saying they wanted less government).
But I guess in hindsight I could apply that kind of viewpoint to people I've met (Though they were more often consistently conservative/republican) and legitimately can't find any reason to apply that to the DSA types because their policies will large affect people outside of their own community. (Which is why people who are soft conservative and economically left leaning types would buy into it.)
Those of you think that this is going to change Trump supporting Rogan viewers need to remember that they don't consider him to be one of their own. He has some views and attitudes in line with the right and others in line with the left. They are unlikely to like his pro-legalization and pro-Palestinian views. Although they will like his crude humor and insulting language on certain minorities, among other things.
They don't see him as an authority and this wont make a difference to them. It may however may a difference to his viewers that are not Trump supporters. E.g. centrists or Biden and Warren supporters.
They don't see him as an authority and this wont make a difference to them. It may however may a difference to his viewers that are not Trump supporters. E.g. centrists or Biden and Warren supporters.
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Rogan is shit, but if Bernie can get his alt-right audience into not voting for fuckface, more power to him (Bernie that is).
Problem is, if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, Rogan will probably lead the "it was rigged" charge, and they'll all vote for fuckface anyways.
Problem is, if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, Rogan will probably lead the "it was rigged" charge, and they'll all vote for fuckface anyways.
Dude, you clearly didn't read the article and that's ok, because Bernie doesn't care either lol.
Yang is doing just as well as Steyer, which is not good at all. Either Rogan's audience is big enough to make a difference or it isn't. It also clearly did nothing for Tulsi, who is Rogan's second favorite Democrat and has appeared on his show three times.
Viability isn't the issue. It certainly isn't something non voters prioritize.
Nobody says it outright, but this thread is filled with people who are being far kinder to Rogan's audience than they ever were to moderate Democrats.
I mentioned Hillary Clinton primary voters in particular because Bernie is not doing so well with them. They were a sizable portion of Democratic voters. If Bernie paying a bit of lip service to Rogan doesn't compromise his values, why couldn't he have done the same thing to bring a few of those people over? Obviously that's not going to happen now given Hillary's recent comments, but he could have tried long before going for Rogan's audience.
I'm guessing his problem with your statement is that it was a low effort generalization that serves absolutely zero purpose other than to demonstrate "look how woke I am as a straight white man!". It's weak.
I did in fact read the article. It details the long time and personal relationships Joe has built in the community, combined with his electability argument explain the durability thus far of Bidens AA support.
This doesn't really speak to either of the points you made in the posts I replied to.
I'm not going to even comment on the Joe Rogan shit, but I am going to respond to this, because it's a flat out myth that nonetheless keeps being circulated.
Read this entire twitter chain, and then say that again with a straight face. There is a reason Bernie has been lovingly referred to as "the amendment king" for a long while.
Wait what? Is there something I don't know about? Please let me know.
I don't know his politics. All I know is I used to listen to his podcast when I was interested in the guests, but then he started defending the actions of guys like Gavin, and it became clear that he may not be a right wing zealot, but he's most definitely a dangerous moron. There's enough podcasts to listen to that I no longer needed to contribute to his numbers.
The larger context of it was that you have to work across the aisle with people you don't like, people who you don't agree with," she said. "I do it each and every day as mayor of Atlanta in a red state."
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I mean a single sentence from the article isn't exactly the premise of the entire thing. If that was all you wanted taken from the article you can quote it. Again doesn't speak to why this endorsement would be what sinks Bernie in the south.
You so realize that all of Democrats have a near identical voting record?? Is that supposed to impress me? Is that supposed to overcome the fact that Bernie gets stupified everytime when he gets asked what he would do for black people??
I think the purpose of the post was to explain why Joe Rogan has such a large audience of primarily straight white men—I don't really see the problem. I'm pretty sure white men voted for Trump by basically a 2-to-1 margin, and if you narrow it down to straight white men Im sure it was even higher.
Black people have general lack of trust in Bernie for a multitude of reasons. If you can't make the connection with this thread then I don't know what to tell you.
Great people running that campaign, I see.
See this is interesting because ostensibly it makes sense but it really does seem like the big tent is only really open for people who disagree on social issues
You don't need political enemies when your campaign is somehow repeatedly close to pieces of shit like these guys, keep not seeing the problem, how it looks, who you're fucking over. The matter is absolutely magnified by online busybodies telling everyone to shut up.
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I mean it would be smart to emphasize any such endorsements he got. Point well taken. I wouldn't mind him touting Peter Daou for example. People that support him despite in some cases disagreeing with his message and who he didn't pander to to get. Problem is there aren't too many.
I never disagreed with that. I only responded to your two, specific points. If your point was actually Joe Biden continues at this time to lead among AA voters I would again say, duh.
I would however point out his favorability with African Americans is actually quite good, and his support is higher than anyone but Joe's. This isn't a unique crticism or Bernie, it's older African Americans sticking with the guy they've known forever for the time being.
That's my point about this endorsement and it's not just older black people. Biden still has 30% of the youth black vote.
A credulous, largely apolitical chud and a socialist can agree that the world isn't working as it should, and that someone is to blame. The former can come to identify the proper bad actors (capital) with the help of the latter, or they can choose to blame women or Jewish people or whoever if they remain in their bubble forever (say, by never seeing Bernie spell this out explicitly on their favorite podcast...)
A liberal will not concede that the world is broken. They might believe the wrong people are in charge, but that will never extend beyond a change in management. To them we are at the "end of history" and just need to vote for the right people within the current societal framework and somehow all of our needs will be looked after. These people are terribly difficult, if not impossible to move towards positions of empathy because nothing is wrong and nothing is anyone's fault. It just is.
Hillary Clinton is a TERF, btw
I will take Rogan over literally any ghoul openly endorsing Biden.
I don't always agree with Rogan, and yeah sometimes he disgusts me and I strongly disagree with him, but he also says things I agree with too sometimes and I can at least see his point of view because he speaks relatively intelligently a lot of the time. And truthfully there are a LOT of Americans who are just like him in our country today, he is not an outlier at all unfortunately.
That said, he speaks his mind and is honest even when he is being ugly, so I can respect him for that even when I hate what he is saying.
I'd like to think he is supporting Bernie simply because Bernie is genuine and Rogan respects him for that.
It's a big endorsement because a lot of Rogan's racist audience is going to hear his reasons and start to rethink their own stance, which is a very good thing in my opinion.
Bernie is going to have to be inclusive of people he sometimes disagrees with if he is going to beat Trump, so I think his acceptance of the endorsement is a good thing. I can understand why many people are upset about it, but if our country is going to start healing and bringing people together then we are going to have to start talking to people we disagree with. We are going to have to start standing side by side with people different than ourselves, even when we don't like how they behave or what they stand for.
Change begins with discourse and communication. We can't hate each other forever and still expect things to improve socially. At some point we need to grow closer and talk to each other again instead of simply yelling hatefully at each other.
Those are my thoughts on this, for what it's worth.
That said, he speaks his mind and is honest even when he is being ugly, so I can respect him for that even when I hate what he is saying.
I'd like to think he is supporting Bernie simply because Bernie is genuine and Rogan respects him for that.
It's a big endorsement because a lot of Rogan's racist audience is going to hear his reasons and start to rethink their own stance, which is a very good thing in my opinion.
Bernie is going to have to be inclusive of people he sometimes disagrees with if he is going to beat Trump, so I think his acceptance of the endorsement is a good thing. I can understand why many people are upset about it, but if our country is going to start healing and bringing people together then we are going to have to start talking to people we disagree with. We are going to have to start standing side by side with people different than ourselves, even when we don't like how they behave or what they stand for.
Change begins with discourse and communication. We can't hate each other forever and still expect things to improve socially. At some point we need to grow closer and talk to each other again instead of simply yelling hatefully at each other.
Those are my thoughts on this, for what it's worth.
The "hereditarian left" and certain members of the Intellectual Dark Web
Biden was close friends with segregationist Strom Thurmond lol
So you'd rather have a racist than anyone who supports Biden purely because they support Biden??? That says a lot about you.
You'd rather have Joe Rogan's endorsement than Keshia Bottom's??? Really???
That's trash, self serving, completely dismissive of black people.
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The notion that anyone would think David Duke and Joe Rogan occupy the same space in american political discourse is pretty wild.
Like, they are both bigots I get that, but their audience and reach are from 1:1 lol
I think going on Rogan was a bad look, but whatevs. I thinking making the ad is a horrible look. Not like it will move the needle, but I am surprised people are defending it and not just saying "I love Bernie but this was a mistake."
So you're calling the mayor of Atlanta, a black woman, a ghoul, and saying that you'd rather have Rogan (a man who has called us apes) endorsement than her's just because she backs Biden?
I'm happy that you're openly admitting this. This is exactly why Black people don't trust Democrats like this.
That 100% illustrates the issue some people ITT have. You're all so glued to the economic axis that you're willing to do backflips to defend or ignore planet of the apes.
It's what the other side does, so if you want to win you gotta do the same. Republicans will welcome anyone and everyone as long as they vote, and then fuck them over after the fact (sorry farmers and steel workers!). Just get their votes. But Liberals know that. They've been doing it to minorities for ages.
Then we better just give up and let Trump destroy the country.
Richard Spencer could lend an endorsement at this point and it wouldn't be a conflict of interest.
I don't think I said that. I have a candidate I'd like to see get the nomination, but if they don't I'm 100 percent voting for whoever does oppose Trump because ultimately what matters most is judicial appointments. It's why so many (almost all) Republicans suddenly became cool with Trump.
I don't know why this is difficult to understand. If it still results in the elimination of existing capitalist structurees, then yes, I'll be nice to the capitalists.
I'm referring specifically to Bernie and his campaign when I talk about not criticizing Rogan. We can do whatever the fuck we want. Bernie is running an election. He needs votes. It does not benefit him to antagonize to potential voters, even if those people suck.
I, however, can and will criticize Rogan however much I want because I don't have the platform that the actual candidate has. I will not move the needle and can stand firm against bullshit.Your response is really missing the forest for the trees.
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