Bernie Sanders endorsed TYT founder and carpetbagger Cenk Uygur in CA 25 Congressional Race (UP: Sanders retracts endorsement) [SEE STAFF POST]

[Steel]

And this thread is making me doubt all the "leftist" disdain for "pragmatism". It's the worst thing in the world until it comes to defending a piece of shit in a fairly blue district that likes M4A. But, no no, running someone who has a chance in hell of winning in a red district rather than the farther left person who'd lose in a landslide is cancer.

 

[mugurumakensei]

And this thread is making me doubt all the "leftist" disdain for "pragmatism". It's the worst thing in the world until it comes to defending a piece of shit in a fairly blue district that likes M4A. But, no no, running someone who has a chance in hell of winning in a red district rather than the farther left person who'd lose in a landslide is cancer.

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It should always have been doubted. It's a way to deflect blame from themselves almost always.

 

[Sandstar]

And this thread is making me doubt all the "leftist" disdain for "pragmatism". It's the worst thing in the world until it comes to defending a piece of shit in a fairly blue district that likes M4A. But, no no, running someone who has a chance in hell of winning in a red district rather than the farther left person who'd lose in a landslide is cancer.

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You see that a lot. People who don't actually care about progressive causes, they just want free college tuition, or medicare for all. Basically stuff that affects them, and minorities can be thrown under the bus. I call them "fauxgressives" People who say the right words, but when they actually have to act on them, you see their true colors.

 

[TheHunter]

And this thread is making me doubt all the "leftist" disdain for "pragmatism". It's the worst thing in the world until it comes to defending a piece of shit in a fairly blue district that likes M4A. But, no no, running someone who has a chance in hell of winning in a red district rather than the farther left person who'd lose in a landslide is cancer.

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I've learned there's two types of leftists.

The good ones who mention racism, sexism trans rights and other social issues alongside "eat the rich"

The bad ones who meme and say stupid hot takes like "Obama and Bush are the same". Aka the Chapo trap types.

Be the first one folks!

 

[Boiled Goose]

And this thread is making me doubt all the "leftist" disdain for "pragmatism". It's the worst thing in the world until it comes to defending a piece of shit in a fairly blue district that likes M4A. But, no no, running someone who has a chance in hell of winning in a red district rather than the farther left person who'd lose in a landslide is cancer.

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There's some nuance lost in the generalization.
For me for example, support for m4a is not really position I tend to support because it's further left vs further right.

Rather, my perception is that politicians that don't tend to be corrupted by donor and monied interests.

The exercise is whether lack of corruption can win in purple districts even if further left , because the political "middle" doesn't have really have any support.

Of course, that's the theoretical exercise. In practice , it's yet to be shown whether Uyghur is a valid candidate for this exercise. His baggage is the focus of the race atm, not policy.

 

[Deleted member 24149]

And this thread is making me doubt all the "leftist" disdain for "pragmatism". It's the worst thing in the world until it comes to defending a piece of shit in a fairly blue district that likes M4A. But, no no, running someone who has a chance in hell of winning in a red district rather than the farther left person who'd lose in a landslide is cancer.

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Its a primary?

 

[BADMAN]

I've learned there's two types of leftists.

The good ones who mention racism, sexism trans rights and other social issues alongside "eat the rich"

The bad ones who meme and say stupid hot takes like "Obama and Bush are the same". Aka the Chapo trap types.

Be the first one folks!

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That's unfair. I enjoy Chapo and rail against bigotry of all kinds. You shouldn't create generalized groups like that. I'm sure you know how diverse people can be with thoughts and opinions.

If you need to lump people into simplistic categories then you're acting in bad faith.

 

[Boiled Goose]

I've learned there's two types of leftists.

The good ones who mention racism, sexism trans rights and other social issues alongside "eat the rich"

The bad ones who meme and say stupid hot takes like "Obama and Bush are the same". Aka the Chapo trap types.

Be the first one folks!

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Sadly, I don't think it's that simple. No candidate or person will ever satisfy all "purity tests"

Clearly unnuanced hot takes are not particularly useful. But blind partisan support is actually dangerous.

I would hope that "good ones" would do more than pay lip service. Tokenism is rampant.

 

[psynergyadept]

Vote for Cenk!

(endorsed by Bernie Sanders 2020)

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No, he might rank her as the number one woman he'd want to fuck with whom he disagrees with:



It's amazing how young this 40 year old looks in the bygone era that was 2012.

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fuckin hell....

Bernie...this ain't it chief.....

 

[TheHunter]

That's unfair. I enjoy Chapo and rail against bigotry of all kinds. You shouldn't create generalized groups like that. I'm sure you know how diverse people can be with thoughts and opinions.

If you need to lump people into simplistic categories then you're acting in bad faith.

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So far it has yet to fail my instincts.

 

[Boiled Goose]

fuckin hell....

Bernie...this ain't it chief.....

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Definitely some gross misogyny there. Not a great look. It's probably a tough exercise to run for office when there's so much of you on the internet. Even if you've changed and learned over time, there's too much in public display from your past.

 

[Shaun Solo]

You see that a lot. People who don't actually care about progressive causes, they just want free college tuition, or medicare for all. Basically stuff that affects them, and minorities can be thrown under the bus. I call them "fauxgressives" People who say the right words, but when they actually have to act on them, you see their true colors.

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Pretty gross to paint those things that would benefit minorities (because they benefit everyone) as not actual progressive causes.

On-topic Bernie is a moron for endorsing Cenk.

 

[Boiled Goose]

So far it has yet to fail my instincts.

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Do any politicians fall under "the good ones"?

 

[Sandstar]

Pretty gross to paint those things that would benefit minorities (because they benefit everyone) as not actual progressive causes.

On-topic Bernie is a moron for endorsing Cenk.

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I didn't say they weren't. I said that a certain subset of "progressives" only support progressives causes that benefit them, and don't care about others. that's why they're fauxgressives. tldr: some people support progressive causes, not because they're progressive causes, but because they'll benefit from them.

 

[Umbrella Carp]

I didn't say they weren't. I said that a certain subset of "progressives" only support progressives causes that benefit them, and don't care about others. that's why they're fauxgressives. tldr: some people support progressive causes, not because they're progressive causes, but because they'll benefit from them.

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Incredibly reductive thinking.

 

[BADMAN]

So far it has yet to fail my instincts.

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So you're insinuating that I'm racist or have "hot takes" because I enjoy Chapo? I'm not saying that there aren't toxic leftists, but attributing interest in a podcast to being "one of the bad ones" is a really narrow point of view.

It's also shitty to say there is "Two types of Leftist" without quantifying that the "bad ones" are in the minority. Again, this is the problem with generalizations. All the leftists that I know, that I'm friends with, are extremely against bigotry. It's in the dang leftist manifesto. We're fighting for the rights of EVERYONE. We believe in unity at a base level of our philosophy. People who don't care about bigotry aren't actually leftists.

It's one of the true "purity tests" that we actually have.

 

[Sandstar]

Incredibly reductive thinking.

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I see some people seemingly saying they're okay with someone being misogynist or racist, as long as they support Medicare for all. What am I supposed to think about that?

 

[Umbrella Carp]

I see lots of people seemingly saying they're okay with someone being misogynist or racist, as long as they support Medicare for all. What am I supposed to think about that?

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The topic of nuance has already been thrown around in here, and I think if you are going to be nuanced, it should be surrounding a topic like M4A, which benefits everyone, including minorities, women and the LGBTQ community.

I couldn't give less of a shit if people want to label me as a "fauxressive" or whatever it is just because I don't spend every waking hour crusading for every individual cause. I know what I vote for and why, and I will continue to do so. The needs of the many etc etc

 

[Sandstar]

The topic of nuance has already been thrown around in here, and I think if you are going to be nuanced, it should be surrounding topic like M4A, which benefits everyone, including minorities, women and the LGBTQ community.

I couldn't give less of a shit if people want to label me as a "fauxressive" or whatever it is just because I don't spend every waking hour crusading for every individual cause. I know what I vote for and why, and I will continue to do so. The needs of the many etc etc

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Would you compromise on a candidate that was homophobic? Transphobic? Anti-semitic? Racist?

 

[Deleted member 2809]

I've learned there's two types of leftists.

The good ones who mention racism, sexism trans rights and other social issues alongside "eat the rich"

The bad ones who meme and say stupid hot takes like "Obama and Bush are the same". Aka the Chapo trap types.

Be the first one folks!

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How american of you

 

[Boiled Goose]

I didn't say they weren't. I said that a certain subset of "progressives" only support progressives causes that benefit them, and don't care about others. that's why they're fauxgressives. tldr: some people support progressive causes, not because they're progressive causes, but because they'll benefit from them.

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It's interesting to me that those are the two issues you chose. Because I see plenty of partisan Democrats who don't give a fuck about free college , because they have rich parents, don't give a fuck about m4a, because their privilege has allowed them to get a cushy job with health insurance, who don't care about abolishing ice, because they don't care about Hispanic brown People, who don't support drug decriminalization because they don't care about black people being disproportionately imprisoned, who don't mind foreign wars, etc. Etc. Etc.

People tend to care about things they can relate to. The more people open up that circle of empathy the better.

My point overall is... I don't think your distinction makes sense. Different people care more about some issues than others.

 

[Umbrella Carp]

Would you compromise on a candidate that was homophobic? Transphobic? Anti-semitic? Racist?

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Luckily for me I don't have to make that judgement, because no Leftist worth their salt is any of those things. In the case of Cenk, we have evidence that he is misogynistic, but also evidence of contrition. So if I were to be judgemental of him, it would be me being judgemental for its own sake, which to me, as a pragmatist doesn't seem very productive or useful in any measure other than giving the other side bullshit ammunition about "purity testing".

 

[Boiled Goose]

Would you compromise on a candidate that was homophobic? Transphobic? Anti-semitic? Racist?

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I hope that's never necessary... But what's the alternative? It could be someone more racist and homophobic.

For example Obama was against gay marriage in 08. A homophobic position. I voted for Obama because the alternative was worse.

 

[takriel]

You see that a lot. People who don't actually care about progressive causes, they just want free college tuition, or medicare for all. Basically stuff that affects them, and minorities can be thrown under the bus. I call them "fauxgressives" People who say the right words, but when they actually have to act on them, you see their true colors.

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The "Fuck you, got mine" of the lefts.

 

[SurrenderDorothy]

Well the leftist discourse in this site is disappointing as usual.

I've learned there's two types of leftists.

The good ones who mention racism, sexism trans rights and other social issues alongside "eat the rich"

The bad ones who meme and say stupid hot takes like "Obama and Bush are the same". Aka the Chapo trap types.

Be the first one folks!

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The hell is this nonsense? This distinction has no basis in reality Hunter..

 

[gaogaogao]

who else is running? who should bernie have endorsed?

 

[Aurica]

What a fucking disappointment. That man is disgusting.

 

[BowieZ]

It's very concerning how quick bans for posts saying "Good on Bernie" are but there were none for people downplaying war crimes, genocide, etc #43

This was ill-advised of Bernie, but the moderation in regards to this thread vs. people defending the Obamas is quite appalling in contrast.

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This.

Honestly, I'm a bit stunned.

 

[V_Arnold]

Not a horrible conflict of interest of course! especially since Cenk hasen't said how he is going to distance himself from his political network while running for office.

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He did not have to because it was not his decision.The new executive of the main show (so the one planning out the episode's contents, etc) is now Ana Kasparian. The same Ana who grills Cenk when he has announced his run:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWQdVMHmhkE

Era, I am disappointed in you, seriously. Yeah yeah, some of these 2010-2012 TYT videos are brash, bad, outdated, insensitive, shitty. I have been watching the show since 2018, and just watch a fucking full show to see how he is and what his network is doing.

The alternative? Living in a reality where Michelle Obama befriending a war criminal is TOTSY FINE, SLAY QUEEN, but TYT is an ulcer on the face of us politics.
Same TYT that brings us RebelHQ with the wonderful Emma Vigeland. Or Damage Report with John. Or the partners of the show like The Michael Brooks Show (who was just on the show last week for the first hour), or Sam Seder. Tell me what substance you have to be smoking to think that all these knowledgable progressive voices are brainwashed by this horrifying past-republican. Tell me what Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is smoking to come on the show not once, but multiple times (makes sense: they are friends.)

 

[Deleted member 9317]

Bernie Barbie baby watchu doing

 

[excelsiorlef]

who else is running? who should bernie have endorsed?

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No one?

He doesn't have to endorse someone in every race ya know

 

[mescalineeyes]

Cenk is the founder of one of the leading progressive outlets in the country, he constantly features and gives a voice to the most diverse panels.

He's fighting for all issues progressives care about and even Bernie Sanders recognizes that. It's very disappointing that so-called progressives choose to come down on him without the lack of any nuance.

Sincerely,
Your #1 Chapo Boy

 

[Umbrella Carp]

No one?

He doesn't have to endorse someone in every race ya know

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He does when the candidates politics match so much with his. He needs allies in Congress, regardless of whether he gets the nom or not.

 

[Quzar]

Rehabilitation just doesn't exist or can ever happen I guess? The man has apologized for and dismissed his previous beliefs. How anyone can look at TYT now and believe this is beyond me. Propaganda works.

 

[mescalineeyes]

Rehabilitation just doesn't exist or can ever happen I guess? The man has apologized for and dismissed his previous beliefs. How anyone can look at TYT now and believe this is beyond me. Propaganda works.

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I am going to say that the Venn diagram of people trying to smear Cenk and the people that think "there's just something off about Bernie" is a circle.

 

[V_Arnold]

Cenk is the founder of one of the leading progressive outlets in the country, he constantly features and gives a voice to the most diverse panels.

He's fighting for all issues progressives care about and even Bernie Sanders recognizes that. It's very disappointing that so-called progressives choose to come down on him without the lack of any nuance.

Sincerely,
Your #1 Chapo Boy

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Yes, preach! But #whatDidHeDoToApologize!
Providing platforms to the most diverse voices across the US politics? That, that does not count.
Fighting to take money out of politics? Founding Wolf PAC?

https://wolf-pac.com/

We could list these for ages, but 8 second clips from post-games trump all that.

 

[gaogaogao]

No one?

He doesn't have to endorse someone in every race ya know

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that's not how elections/ voting works
you could just not vote, but that is a bad idea, every time.

 

[Artdayne]

Cenk has had problematic blind spots and perhaps he still does, he should be challenged on them and work towards fixing them. You simply can't create a coalition on the left if you're going to disqualify anyone that has problematic issues from their past or in the present. Of course there is a line where you have to disassociate, from what I've seen he hasn't crossed that line and Cenk has broadly done a lot more good than harm, IMO.

If there is another candidate in that district who is just as far or further to the left both socially and economically then I'm all for that candidate! But I don't believe there is one.

 

[mescalineeyes]

People think Ana Kasparian is just going to sit next to Cenk and not fuck his shit up about not recognizing the armenian genocide or being sexist if he didn't profusely change his ways?

el oh fuck el

 

[FaceHugger]

I really do not like this man. I even saw him get into a bizarre yelling match with the guy from Infowars once. He just seems like a loudmouth who just so happens to have some beliefs that align with many liberals.

 

[Quzar]

I am going to say that the Venn diagram of people trying to smear Cenk and the people that think "there's just something off about Bernie" is a circle.

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Yup, nuance for neolibs only. Don't speak on war criminal presidents that benefit my continued comfort.

 

[Umbrella Carp]

Yup, nuance for neolibs only. Don't speak on war criminal presidents that benefit my continued comfort.

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Yes we can......not talk about it.

 

[V_Arnold]

Cenk has had problematic blind spots and perhaps he still does, he should be challenged on them and work towards fixing them. You simply can't create a coalition on the left if you're going to disqualify anyone that has problematic issues from their past or in the present. Of course there is a line where you have to disassociate, from what I've seen he hasn't crossed that line and Cenk has broadly done a lot more good than harm, IMO.

If there is another candidate in that district who is just as far or further to the left both socially and economically then I'm all for that candidate! But I don't believe there is one.

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And it is very important to stress this: hosts on the TYT show REGULARLY challenge and call out Cenk on his issues and his mistakes. Regularly.
And he takes them, he does not punish them, does not remove them from the show, and there are interesting discussions that come out of those talks. I mean, at this point, Ana dunking on Cenk has been the most fun part of the show.

And then the mainstream media has the balls to go against Ana directly. Fucking hell.

https://www.playboy.com/read/the-complicity-of-ana-kasparian-1

Her No Filter response video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpDwFdp58-Q&

This is the type of attacks TYT has to regularly endure.

 

[mescalineeyes]

I really do not like this man. I even saw him get into a bizarre yelling match with the guy from Infowars once. He just seems like a loudmouth who just so happens to have some beliefs that align with many liberals.

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find me one issue you disagree with Cenk on.

I'll give you loudmouth. Straight up.

 

[SurrenderDorothy]

Rehabilitation just doesn't exist or can ever happen I guess? The man has apologized for and dismissed his previous beliefs. How anyone can look at TYT now and believe this is beyond me. Propaganda works.

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No, it simply doesn't. Simply ignore all context and believe that every single human is beyond rehabilitation. /s

 

[TheHunter]

Well the leftist discourse in this site is disappointing as usual.



The hell is this nonsense? This distinction has no basis in reality Hunter..

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It does to me.

You mean to tell me you haven't seen leftists who care about free college and eat the rich but then Identity politics comes out swinging?

Or, in this case defending someone with really bad views because he says socialist approved things? C'mon now you're better than that. It's no different then the less enthused Dems who talk a big talk on minority issues and then silence.

 

[Sandstar]

Cenk is the founder of one of the leading progressive outlets in the country, he constantly features and gives a voice to the most diverse panels.

He's fighting for all issues progressives care about and even Bernie Sanders recognizes that. It's very disappointing that so-called progressives choose to come down on him without the lack of any nuance.

Sincerely,
Your #1 Chapo Boy

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Perhaps you could explain the nuance that I'm missing in this video:

 

[mescalineeyes]

Perhaps you could explain the nuance that I'm missing in this video:

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yes, an 8 second clip that looks like it was recorded with a potato in 2009 without any context is lacking a whole lot of nuance.

 

[gaogaogao]

Perhaps you could explain the nuance that I'm missing in this video:

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probably the bit where the video is super old and progressives change faster than the right

some people are changing quickly, believe it or not

 

[Umbrella Carp]

Perhaps you could explain the nuance that I'm missing in this video:

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All you're doing is ignoring what people are saying to you and yelling "BUT LOOK AT THIS, LOOK AT IT. AREN'T YOU OUTRAGED?". I for one am not repeating myself.