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Even if it gives the right another seat in the House of Representatives?
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Bernie Sanders endorsed TYT founder and carpetbagger Cenk Uygur in CA 25 Congressional Race (UP: Sanders retracts endorsement) [SEE STAFF POST]
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That is your opinion. Personally I don't think there is a chance in hell of a Democrat losing in California in 2020.
How does sending a misogynist to Congress advance the left's cause? Why are women's issues not important to the left?
Literally when is it okay to criticize Sanders and his campaign? When is it valid to point out something he's legitimately done wrong, and not unfair to him?
Speaking as someone who was groomed and had shitty values of his own and has fucked up immensely and has had to unlearn so many harmful things, what he's said about things in the past is only part of the problem, and so is what he's saying NOW
Speaking as someone who was groomed and had shitty values of his own and has fucked up immensely and has had to unlearn so many harmful things, what he's said about things in the past is only part of the problem, and so is what he's saying NOW
I'm curious what will happen in the race.
It's telling how much the media has latched onto Cenks past views (which were unearthed by the alt right to smear him) instead of his stated (and well supported? current views)
I really wonder what will happen with the extra exposure. Tyt is already pretty big online.
It's telling how much the media has latched onto Cenks past views (which were unearthed by the alt right to smear him) instead of his stated (and well supported? current views)
I really wonder what will happen with the extra exposure. Tyt is already pretty big online.
Ask yourself this: When the fight over Roe vs Wade finally comes to the fore, who would you rather in Congress, Cenk or some random Democrat Neolib unknown?
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At best that is a purple district that we only managed to flip in 2018.
Saying "its California" shows ignorance of the district that the seat belongs to.
Cenk doesn't have much room to complain about stories starting with the alt-right after he gave time to promoting Seth Rich theories.
Can you elaborate which of his current views you find problematic?
definitely the random democrat
is this some kind of trick question? I choose the one who has never before said publicly in writing they want to ban abortion
He still volunteers and financially supports organizations that deny the Armenian genocide.
this picture is a little over a year after his "apology".
this is outside of the racism/using the n-word/misogyny/etc.
You have a source for that? I've not seen it before. No sarcasm.
Did you not see the stuff he's said about women on the previous page? EDIT - and as stated above, he still supports organizations that deny Armenian genocide.
Y'all need to either:
- ban the folks from the other thread that were dismissing the deaths of brown people for the same length as the ones in this thread for being misogynistic or give them a longer ban because death is you know, a bit worse
- Lock this thread like the other thread until y'all can sort out how y'all hand out bans or
- If this thread is to stay open, open the other thread already to have continued discussions.
Is that the stuff he said previously or stuff he believes currently?
We're evaluating his fitness to be president. Endorsing a racist, genocide apologizing, mysogynistic asshole calls that fitness into question.
Do you have a link or something showing he supports this organization?
In the cnn interview he makes it clear what his personal views are on the issue.
you can't be serious. There's plenty or arguments to be made for favoring a more left candidate but if you think smith would somehow knee cap women's rights you're not paying attention
He said some of that stuff as recently as 2016. Now a person can change a lot in three years, but the burden of proof is still to exhibit that instead of just giving the benefit of a doubt.
I don't know the context of the photos to determine if that implies financial support. Also what year?
I don't know why anyone bothers to try to have an argument with you. You literally never read anything that refutes the stance you stake and then go to pains to pretend you haven't seen it.
Omg what? Unearthed by the alt right?
Dude Cenk's past has been common knowledge in left wing circles for ages, as in before the alt-right was even a thing.
"Hey guys did you know the stuff you've known about Cenk was unearthed by Marty McFly's alt right cousin who stole the Delorean and traveled back and planted the info you've known for years, don't let them win, Vote Cenk!"
It's literally a photo they use to promote themselves. He is taking part in their promotion.
I've seen people complain about less than "I'm not talking about n-words without souls, I'm talking about ordinary n-words" Why the fuck should I over look that? Why should I over look his comments about women not wanting to fuck as much as they used to? The person who's seat he's running to replace quit because she had sex with an underling. I don't see why the shit Cenk has said is better than that. It's up to him to repudiate those things, not for me to forgive him, or do research to find out when he apologized, but then continued to support a genocide denying organization. *I'm* not running for office. *I* don't have to do his work for him.
This is where I'm at and I think that's where Bernie is at too. I don't think it's about "bowing down to him" or anything like that, I think for Bernie it's about building a leftist coalition. Having Cenk in the house improves the chances of Medicare for All, simply put.
It's not just about votes, it's about arguments on the floor. I'm a foreigner from the outside looking in, so I am unfamiliar with Smith and what he/she represents and how well they can articulate it, but I am at least half familiar with Cenk just from being on the internet, and if nothing else he knows how to get his point across.
This is key. The establishment backed candidate, Christy Smith, does NOT support Medicare For All.
Them using a photo he took with them is quite different from "supports them financially". It may still be problematic.. but I'm gonna need more context and information.
"I don't know anything about this other person, but clearly the man with a history of misogynist comments would be better defending women's rights" is a pretty questionable stance to take.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? This is not an afternoon picture that he took with people that just ended up together. This was an event, for the organization, that he consented to being a part of.
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This is the funny things i see ppl on this forum commenting, "Cenk has never apologized for it!"
Question: How do you know he hasn't apologized for it? Does he have to apologize straight to your face? Do you follow him until today?"
I admit I didnt watch older TYT videos, especially those that OP posted, where it was around 6 years ago etc. But I've been watching their videos recently, probably from end of 2018 till now, and follow their content. Cenk did apologizes for those comments, Cenk did admit those were stupid, and that he was stupid & wrong.
But because stuffs is not shoved straight to people's face, people will just throw off baseless accusations and nonsense, and in order to bolster their viewpoints, OP even quoted a trashy twitter account's opinion.
I think based on his recent videos, he is not an idiot, and i agree on his stance and ideas on the current political climate.
And no, I won't be quoting any videos here to prove my point, I don't have to, his videos are available publicly, you can view it yourself.
But to those who simply like to fly by and make baseless accusations because you can't be bothered to look into current info yourself, know that you are no different than your conservative counterpart. Making baseless accusations based on ignorance and fake news peddled by the conservatives themselves, and it's no wonder they also calls you brainwashed.
I am not american, so I won't be voting for him. If you have a truly better candidate to vote for, go for it. But please don't act the same way like the very people you strongly against at.
I honestly don't get your point
That if you're running for office , you have a standard and that standard includes not having shitty views in your past?
That's fair.
Personally I'd focus on present views. Of course, I'd have to be fully convinced that those are not the current views and why they changed.
The random Dem, not close, given Cenk's long history of awful on adjacent topics? Why on earth would being economically left have a single thing to do with someone's position on social issues? They're not innately interlinked!
Yes.
They didn't read the interview. They're focusing on the picture because they want to be able to have something to deny. They will not ever read the interview.
"Sexism is fine as long as they have better economic policies."
Being economically left helps women immensely? Especially impoverished ones.
He literally just doubled down on his views lmao
Not everything is an alt-right ploy, if anything they'd commend him for his shitty views towards women and genocide
burn your heroes, kill your darlings etc.
for more fun, he also supports another Armenian genocide denying org.
This is 2012-2014
This is 2012-2014
Rather, if you had shitty views, you have to work extra hard to show that you've changed, not just say "whoops, my bad". And you sure as fuck shouldn't endorse people with shitty views. There's a thread about the AVGN, where people, rightfully, complain about him being friends with Mike Matei, who drew some racist comics. They've chosen not to watch his channel, as is their right. By the same token, people have the right to complain when Bernie endorses someone who has said some abhorrent things in the past, and has done little to repudiate them.
The incumbent seat he's replacing had someone who was a proponent for M4A so
I didn't imply it was a random photo.
I'm not convinced of the accusation without better evidence. For example something saying he supports the organization inspite of it's Armenian genocide denial.
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