according to recent data it would help Biden more than Warren. maybe that would change if Bernie endorsed Warren but as it is now that's not the case
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Bernie Sanders has emergency heart surgery, has cancelled campaign stops and is resting (UP: released, was a heart attack)
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Welp he was my first choice but heart surgery is no joke. I don't think he'll remain in the race at this rate. Not sure who I'll support if he drops out just yet.
People often vote for who they think they can win. A lot of people think Joe Biden can win based upon his message. People don't necessarily vote based upon who would be the actual best person to sit in the oval office. They want someone who can beat Trump.
Joe is a relatively like able guy who speaks pretty plainly about how shitty Trump is. Given Joe's background as VP, he carries an appeal.
Agreed. My grandma had stents in from a really bad blockage last year and was up and back to "normal" really quickly.
I hope Bernie recovers quickly
Oh shit I didnt see these.
That's fucking crazy
I hope he makes full recovery, but it's also something that I have thought about in the past. Bernie is fucking old. I had doubts he can actually run again if he wins, but this cements it. We need much younger candidates if we want a 2 term president.
Not really
Identity politics is a thing that white people latch onto in very obvious ways
Sanders -> White Old Dude
Biden -> White Old Dude
Safe and familiar
To all the Bernie supporters on Era: We need to understand the gravity of the situation. If it's clear that Bernie can no longer continue, then it's also clear that Warren is the only viable choice that is anywhere close to Bernie's ideology and platform. Biden and the other neoliberal centrists mustn't win in the primary.
My dad's first procedure was an emergency in response to a heart attack. It's been so long that I honestly don't remember all the details, but he's been around for multiple decades since then. With that said, if this was an emergency for even heart attack-like symptoms, it probably indicates urgent issues that might take a bit to recover from. It's very likely that doctors would advise him to take a break for at least a month if not longer. The question then would be what he does with that advice.
can't see sanders having much of a shot at winning the primary after this. he was already losing ground to warren, this is not going to make it easier to cover it. shame, since he'd be the best choice obviously.
Given Warren's name rec at this point is up there, that doesn't account for numbers.
Not to mention Biden's voter's second choice is now Warren and Butti and Harris voters have Warren as their second choice.
If I were Sanders I'd wait til the next debate and if I'm unable to participate, then as long as Warren doesn't stumble I drop out and endorse her in the following days.
I doubt Sander will actually do that though. He'll probably fight til the bitter end.
I doubt Sander will actually do that though. He'll probably fight til the bitter end.
I don't want to sound pessimistic but I feel like this basically kills his campaign in terms of having a shot at being President. Between disasterously bad luck of being sick during the last debate (which, not to take any credit away from warren etc, but resulted in a lot of his support shrinking) and now this, it's just a real shame.
I hope that he can get well soon and get back on the campaign trail. He is a much needed voice, in continuing to be instrumental in transforming the discourse of the Democratic Party, and the country as a whole.
I hope that he can get well soon and get back on the campaign trail. He is a much needed voice, in continuing to be instrumental in transforming the discourse of the Democratic Party, and the country as a whole.
Emergency was presumably due to the severity of the blockage. (Bad blockage, higher chance of cardiac event if left unfixed.) But since it was caught before a heart attack, it should be a good sign for prognosis, recovery time. Obviously we can't predict these things, and campaigning is a demanding, stressful job. Hope it goes well and he can take the time he needs for recovery (not jumping back into it too soon).
I just want to point out how hilarious this chart is:
Will bet you even with news of Bernie's surgery, Buttigieg, Harris, Beto, Booker, etc will still be polling less than 10%. Catch those L's.
Will bet you even with news of Bernie's surgery, Buttigieg, Harris, Beto, Booker, etc will still be polling less than 10%. Catch those L's.
That he caught it early is good. I hope he can make a speedy recovery, and makes the best decision for his health once he does, whether it be staying in or dropping out. He's a beacon for good and to lose him now would be a tragedy beyond a decent human dying, which is of course itself always sad.
Hatred and bigotry keep people alive.
That is some scary shit. I wish him a speedy recovery.
If I were him, I would drop out and enjoy the rest of my years. He can still be an advocate without the stressors of running for president.
If I were him, I would drop out and enjoy the rest of my years. He can still be an advocate without the stressors of running for president.
It may be minimally invasive, but it's still considered surgery, no?
I believe my middle school math teacher had this procedure.
I think he was back after a few days, but he was in his 50's. It was also about 15 years ago, so maybe the procedure has become less serious.
Recovery is pretty quick, my uncle is slightly younger than Bernie, very active guy, just a couple of years difference. Dude had TAVR and stents done and was out of the hospital quick. Kept him in overnight for the stent and he was out, TAVR was a 3 day stay. Visited him a week after his TAVR and you couldn't even tell this dude had a valve replaced, just couldn't lift weight. Modern heart surgery is crazy good. Good luck to comrade Sanders, he'll be fine.
No. Surgery is a type of procedure in which you make an incision to get inside the body. In this case, they don't need to do that. Instead, the arteries are ballooned to make room for a stent that is passed in through the arteries.
Sad to hear and I hope he recovers. I love his policies and what he has done for discourse in this country, but Sanders is too old to be president. I love Warren as a candidate too but I think even she is right on the edge of being too old. We need an age limit on the presidency, congress and supreme court.
My dad had a similar procedure done and even if it's fairly routine these days it's still scary as shit in the moment. Hope he recovers quickly and fully.
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We understand, and while I still like Bernie far more than anyone else, I am very sad about this news.
Although I'm sure all the Warren supporters are having a grand old time with this news. I'm sure certain round pink characters are popping a champagne and dancing tonight.
It's Warren dude, no one else is even close. I just hope she will not be corrupted by all the super pac money she is going to be getting in the general and turn into Hillary lite.
We all want Sanders to recover first and foremost. But since he is a leading candidate for President it is natural that there will be discussion about how the race is affected.
If you're accusing people of taking pleasure in Sander's health problems then you need to provide receipts.
My stomach practically did a 180 when I saw the news in my YT recommended videos. Hope he gets back out there in good health and wins this race.
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