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Bernie Sanders Lied About Sharing His Full Medical History

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The Albatross

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remz said:
It's not just ERA. Mass media (usually bribed or funded by corporate interests) has it out for him. big business fears someone even slightly not in their thrall. Why do you think the capitalist Warren gets propped up so much
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I'm in this thread defending Sanders' choice to reveal or not reveal what he wants in regard to his health -- it's his health, it's his business, it's ridiculous to say he's "lied about sharing his medical history" -- but if you think that there is some "mass media" effort to "prop up Warren" that is "out to get Sanders," you're being delusional.

Beyond that, Warren has as admirable a record going after big business as Sanders does. She was the architect of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and she's been a stalwart advocate for consumer rights and individual protection against corporate power since being elected to the Senate.
 
daveo42

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I said it then and I'll say it now: Bernie should have dropped out of the race when he had a heart attack. Not at all surprised by this now, given his age and the recent medical emergency.
 
geardo

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I mean, I would love for him to release his full health records, but I also am not riled in the least by him backtracking on this. It's private health info after all.
 
Dream Machine

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The way he paid off three separate doctors to give him the okay despite clearly being almost dead shows a lot of tenacity, you have to admit.
 

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Shaun Solo said:
He'll be an octogenarian running for president if he decides to run for re-election in 2024.

He won't become one until 2021.

Unless that word means something I don't understand. It sure sounds scary.
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I rounded up. Sorry. I'm sure the health concerns of a 78 year are completely different than an 80 year old.
 
Huncho_Houdini

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It is fine to get an assessment of his health from multiple licensed physicians.

I have no interest in the specific details of his past and current medical history beyond that. I see no value in releasing detailed accounts of his labs and/or medical history, as the vast majority of the public is in no way qualified to interpret it. As always with medical information, it leads to false conclusions when viewed by inexperienced eyes.

This is my stance for any of the other candidates, and for Trump as well. In the case of Trump, getting one letter from a biased physician is not enough however, and multiple sources should be used.
 
Kay

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If Bernie dies 2 years into his term that's still 2 years we got of him as President *shrug*
 

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Kay said:
If Bernie dies 2 years into his term that's still 2 years we got of him as President *shrug*
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If he picks Warren as his VP or someone else who will carry on his goals, then we'll be fine. Why do people freak out about a president dying during their presidency? That's more reason to have Warren as his VP. They are most aligned in policy.
 
Wilf Netherton

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Appears he provided as much as anyone normally does. The WaPo editorial staff appear to be misleading by saying McCain "set the standard" by releasing 1100 pages of records, it fails to point to anyone else who has done anything similar (including Obama).

I do not see the issue.
 
TheManWithoutFear

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Mercury Fred said:
Wanting a near 80-year-old who's running for president and just had a heart attack to follow through with their own promise of greater medical tranparency = "concern trolling."

Got it.
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Uh yeah, even without looking at a post history and just from the tone of your posts I can tell that Sanders isn't your preferred candidate regardless of this "medical issue."

It's pretty clearly concern trolling.
 

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He started talking about bringing in social workers into black folks homes to play hooked on phonics records. Then went on to talk about fucking Venezuela and Maduro. You know, as a way to repair America's legacy of slavery.
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That's not being "mentally unfit", he's just answering a question in a poorly structured way during a live debate.

How smug do you need to be to jump from calling someone stupid to practically using mental issues as an attack because of that?!

There were articles legitimately criticizing what he meant. Its not called being mentally unfit, its called saying something stupid. Don't conflate them as if they're interchangeable.
 

jviggy43

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Not a good look. I think I'm going to vote Biden now. I just can't tolerate someone not posting their full personal medical records when they said they would and changing their mind.
 
Volimar

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As much as I'd love a Warren/Sanders or Sanders/Warren ticket I don't think that's necessarily the way to dissuade people from age/health criticisms. Though with this field it's going to be a talking point for almost any of the candidates.
 

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Volimar said:
As much as I'd love a Warren/Sanders or Sanders/Warren ticket I don't think that's necessarily the way to dissuade people from age/health criticisms. Though with this field it's going to be a talking point for almost any of the candidates.
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Why? What is the possible conflict there? If one dies, the other will carry on the presidency. I don't understand the fear.
 
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daveo42 said:
I said it then and I'll say it now: Bernie should have dropped out of the race when he had a heart attack. Not at all surprised by this now, given his age and the recent medical emergency.
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Why? He's tied for first place in the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire

ImaginaShawn said:
Bernie is a fraud and a liar? Nooo!!!

Seriously how people can't see through this guy is astonishing.
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Cool the anti-semetic tropes
 

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TheManWithoutFear said:
Uh yeah, even without looking at a post history and just from the tone of your posts I can tell that Sanders isn't your preferred candidate regardless of this "medical issue."

It's pretty clearly concern trolling.
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Not at all. Does a candidate need to be a poster's preferred candidate in order to post a thread about them, specifically one based on that candidate's own broken promise? Because if so, there are a lot of threads here that wouldn't exist.

I want candidates to follow through with their promises while campaigning, and that goes for all of them. For those handwaving this, ask yourself if you'd handwave it if it were Warren, Biden, Bloomberg or Buttigieg.
 
JigglesBunny

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He's the best candidate in the race as this point after Warren spent the last few weeks dropping every ball that came her way so I'd say that if this was the worst of it when it came to Bernie, he's still pretty good.
 
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If I was Bernie (and maybe this is why I'm not Bernie), I would have my VP be a younger woman of color. Preferably socialist-ish, a la AOC, but anyone with a genuine progressive streak would be good.
 
TheManWithoutFear

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Not at all. Does a candidate need to be a poster's preferred candidate in order to post a thread about them, specifically one based on that candidate's own broken promise? Because if so, there are a lot of threads here that wouldn't exist.

I want candidates to follow through with their promises while campaigning.
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No, you want Bernie to lose. You would not make this thread if the identical scenario happened to your preferred candidate. The literal definition of concern trolling.
 
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Why? What is the possible conflict there? If one dies, the other will carry on the presidency. I don't understand the fear.
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The fear would be that both would die before one or both terms and we'd end up with a less left vice president becoming pres who we didn't have a say in. It's nto a great argument considering the stakes make pretty much anyone but Trump an improvement. It's not about practicality, it's the optics of it. If the candidate is Sanders, or Warren, or Biden, there will be a push for a much younger VP to lead the party in the event of the worst.
 
Wilf Netherton

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This from the OP seems to be explicitly contradicted by the opinion piece in WaPo by the way:

Warren has released extensive records but Sanders' approach of releasing doctor's letters instead echoes that of Trump's in 2016. It would be nice to see Sanders follow through with his promise from October.
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But from the opinion piece...

So far, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), 70, has provided the most information, releasing a letter from her physician and five pages of supporting medical data.
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I'm not seeing the huge gap here.
 

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daveo42

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Kay said:
Why? He's tied for first place in the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire
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Because he's in his late 70s and had a heart attack. Being president isn't some walk in the park and health concerns for a president isn't something you want voters thinking about when they go to the polls.

Also, Iowa and New Hampshire are meaningless states and shouldn't be the first places Primaries should be held, especially for the Democrats. I like Bernie, but I don't think he should be running after having a heart attack.
 
loquaciousJenny

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Drop out Bernie.

Y'all are fools if you seriously believe the president dying in office would be a normal thing and the cog would keep turning.
 
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I'll take a Bernie at any condition over the rest of the corporate Dem lineup. He's the only one whose interests truly align with the middle class. Whoever his VP will be will carry on his message and policies. I'll take that over anyone else in the field.
 

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He honestly should just be kicked out of the race immediately for this. Like this is disgusting. How aren't people seeing through this? AND I hear hes going to go on the attack next debate which is just what Dems need right now, more in fighting. Its 2016 all over again.
 
TheManWithoutFear

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Mercury Fred said:
I see, so if a poster makes a thread about Biden and they don't like Biden, is that concern trolling?
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If they wouldn't criticize someone else for doing the exact same thing, yes. There are plenty of other things to criticize Bernie for that might actually be substantive and change someone's mind.

Just think for two seconds before posting...would I think this criticism was legit if it were levied at my preferred candidate? If yes, go for it.

Like have just one modicum of consistency in your body.
 
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