If the Democratic Party is smart they don't have him run on their ticket in 2020. Biden/Beto is the best combo to retake the WH.Right he'll just alienate the democratic base and get burned by the south and minority voters. Again. Good politics.
If the Democratic Party is smart they don't have him run on their ticket in 2020. Biden/Beto is the best combo to retake the WH.Right he'll just alienate the democratic base and get burned by the south and minority voters. Again. Good politics.
that was 50 years ago. After that he moved a state that has more black people in jail than walking it's streets. What have he done lately?It does matter when people ignore his ethnicity and attempt to paint him as some clueless old white man.
I'd say a Jew who actively participated in the Civil Rights Movement is a little more aware of bigotry than you're letting on.
You think 'white' and Jewish are the same thing?
Because six-million Holocaust victims would suggest otherwise, not to mention the antisemitism that's been rampant in this nation since forever.
Well there was this, the "Southern primaries aren't important anyway", we don't have Gun problems in Vermont like they do in Chicago, Aren't most drug dealers black?, his entire discomfort with "Identity Politics" but sure it's just this.
I pretty sure he's making fun of the people who make the same sort of excuses for Manchin and Donnelly for their socially conservative views and are given a pass for it by neolibs.Right he'll just alienate the democratic base and get burned by the south and minority voters. Again. Good politics.
He won't get past the primaries if he tries. I don't care for wondering about hypotheticals, just pointing out that his stance on racial politics has hurt him more than it's helped and he's never won an election outside of an extremely white state.If the Democratic Party is smart they don't have him run on their ticket in 2020. Biden/Beto is the best combo to retake the WH.
Here you go https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitismA) That has nothing to do with what he said.
B) You really shouldn't bring that up when you want to talk about the situation of Racism towards African Americans which has gone on since the start of the Transatlantic Slave trade until......TODAY.
I'm absolutely amazed at how anyone is shocked that Bernie would say something like to this. Where people just not paying attention to all those other times he threw woman and people of color under the bus chasing those white votes?
He is still white, you do realise there are many different white people in the world right? Not just American's. White people not matter where they are from are the majority in many 1st world countries. White people in these countries are treated far better than poc of colour like me. That isn't me saying Jewish people (and white people from other countries) don't get hate, but they don't have to deal with many of the things minorities do.You think 'white' and Jewish are the same thing?
Because six-million Holocaust victims would suggest otherwise, not to mention the antisemitism that's been rampant in this nation since forever.
You;re now getting in actually offensive territory, you are abusing the Holocasut to defend a whilte men too afriad to alienate white voters so he decided to say it;s not racist to not vote for a black person because they're black.
Yup. This thread is pretty aggravating to read but that's par for the course. Unconscious racial bias is a form of racism but not all people with unconscious racial bias are racist. But fuck nuance and empathy, Bernie is the devil am I right *eyeroll*
If the Democratic Party is smart they don't have him run on their ticket in 2020. Biden/Beto is the best combo to retake the WH.
What do you think of a person who would otherwise like his policies but won't vote for him because he's black?Yup. This thread is pretty aggravating to read but that's par for the course. Unconscious racial bias is a form of racism but not all people with unconscious racial bias are racist. But fuck nuance and empathy, Bernie is the devil am I right *eyeroll*
I agree with you 100%. He has done one positive thing and that's energize the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. The dude marched with MLK, he isn't a racist.He won't get past the primaries if he tries. I don't care for wondering about hypotheticals, just pointing out that his stance on racial politics has hurt him more than it's helped and he's never won an election outside of an extremely white state.
""I think you know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily anti-Semitic who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an Jew""
What the fuck are you even arguing?
Barney Frank had this to say about him in 1991 and it still applies"Bernie alienates his natural allies," said Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.). "His holier-than-thou attitude--saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone else --really undercuts his effectiveness
Then report me.
Because I did no such thing.
I've already stated Bernie fucked up.
What I don't agree with is that he's a racist and I also don't agree with the reductive label that he's merely white given his Jewish ethnicity.
If stating that is bannable then I hope my pan is permanent. (Which of course it's not)
Saying he marched with MLK is the same thing as Republicans talking about Lincoln freeing the slaves. Is he racist? Something you did 50 years ago, don't give you a pass over easily avoidable shit happening today. No, is he is dangerously ignorant on minority issues, hell yes. That alone should discount him from any real place in the democratic partyI agree with you 100%. He has done one positive thing and that's energize the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. The dude marched with MLK, he isn't a racist.
Nah it's racism you seem to be under the someone that racism just means white supermacists there's a large breadth and range to racism from racist thoughts to racist acts to racist ideology. A racist thought is a racist thought doesn't matter if it comes from what you otherwise consider a good person. Accept that simply having a racist thought isn't the be all and end all but if you can't accept the the thought itself was racist then you haven't even started the journey to grow from the experience.Yup. This thread is pretty aggravating to read but that's par for the course. Unconscious racial bias is a form of racism but not all people with unconscious racial bias are racist. But fuck nuance and empathy, Bernie is the devil am I right *eyeroll*
He is still white, you do realise there are many different white people in the world right? Not just American's. White people not matter where they are from are the majority in many 1st world countries. White people in these countries are treated far better than poc of colour like me. That isn't me saying Jewish people (and white people from other countries) don't get hate, but they don't have to deal with many of the things minorities do.
The same people Bernie is defending are the same ones railing against ((Soros)) and (Globalists) which makes his comments even crazierYou're preaching to the choir,
I'm white, non-Jewish and I acknowledge and loath systemic racism and consider it the single greatest blight on this nation.
However, Jews have been mercilessly persecuted as well and given that history of oppression, I have a very serious problem with sweeping them into the same category as other 'whites' because their history doesn't support that reductive categorization, especially when antisemitism is alive and well.
I agree with you 100%. He has done one positive thing and that's energize the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. The dude marched with MLK, he isn't a racist.
Saying he marched with MLK is the same thing as Republicans talking about Lincoln freeing the slaves. Is he racist? Something you did 50 years ago, don't give you a pass over easily avoidable shit happening today. No, is he is dangerously ignorant on minority issues, hell yes. That alone should discount him from any real place in the democratic party
So because antisemitism exists you think Jewish people don't reap the same benefits of being visibly white in a country build around white supremacy?You're preaching to the choir,
I'm white, non-Jewish and I acknowledge and loath systemic racism and consider it the single greatest blight on this nation.
However, Jews have been mercilessly persecuted as well and given that history of oppression, I have a very serious problem with sweeping them into the same category as other 'whites' because their history doesn't support that reductive categorization, especially when antisemitism is alive and well.
You're preaching to the choir,
I'm white, non-Jewish and I acknowledge and loath systemic racism and consider it the single greatest blight on this nation.
However, Jews have been mercilessly persecuted as well and given that history of oppression, I have a very serious problem with sweeping them into the same category as other 'whites' because their history doesn't support that reductive categorization, especially when antisemitism is alive and well.
You literally argued we can''t call Bernie Sanders and old white man because the Holocaust.
Except from anti-Semites, who will jump through hoops to point out how they aren't white even if a) the Jewish individual they are targeting is Ashkenazi, and b) looks nearly identical to the anti-Semite.He can walk out in public and pass as a white man to racist.
I on the other hand dont have that luxury. My blackness cant pass.
Not all Jewish people are white. I think hispanics are probably the closer analogy, some can blend in, others cannot.So because antisemitism exists you think Jewish people don't reap the same benefits of being visibly white in a country build around white supremacy?
It crazy this tangent happened anyway.Different segments of whites can be persecuted. It's crazy that some people are trying to dismiss the Jewish people's experience with racism a couple of weeks after the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre. They're literally being hunted down in their place of worship like blacks in the Charleston church shooting.
So because antisemitism exists you think Jewish people don't reap the same benefits of being visibly white in a country build around white supremacy?
What is the balance on the "He marched with MLK" account? So I know when we can call him out. A cross burning and two "boys"? The interest rate last time I checked was 6.78% "Those peoples" annually.
Well you see, real racism died with the civil rights, so marching with King automatically absolves you of any modern racism because it's just sjws crying.What is the balance on the "He marched with MLK" account? So I know when we can call him out. A cross burning and two "boys"? The interest rate last time I checked was 6.78% "Those peoples" annually.
Actually I didn't.
I responded to the notion that being Jewish and being white are analogous which is false and I cited the historical context of the Holocaust as very clear proof of that.
Jews have never been treated the same as 'Christian' whites and there's plenty of evidence to back that up.
I personally think it's grossly dismissive to ignore his ethnicity but do as you like.
Except from anti-Semites, who will jump through hoops to point out how they aren't white even if a) the Jewish individual they are targeting is Ashkenazi, and b) looks nearly identical to the anti-Semite.
Pretty much every white supremacist group - from the KKK to the Nazis - has the Jews either near or at the top of their shit list, seeing them as an existential threat precisely because they can pass as 'white' and 'dilute the gene pool'.
Tetra was wrong to bring up Bernie's Jewishness, it's not a reason to downplay antisemitism and the continual bogeyman it serves to reactionary ghouls along with black and brown people.
However, Jews have been mercilessly persecuted as well and given that history of oppression, I have a very serious problem with sweeping them into the same category as other 'whites' because their history doesn't support that reductive categorization, especially when antisemitism is alive and well.
Trans people can be white and persecuted, gay people can be white and persecuted, etc.... They don't stop being white, if Sanders was a gay Christian Lefty and said this shit he'd still be an old white man
If you want to dismiss all that because he fucked up on this statement be my guest, Bro.