1. Whompa

    Whompa
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    Bingo!
     
  2. I never said it doesn't.

    Again, my problem is equating white with Jewish because clearly, the racists differentiate.
     
  3. Big_Blue

    Big_Blue
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    Then you'd be just as complicit in not caring about black issues as Bernie has been. This type of statement should bother you immensely if you're so left-leaning. This might the most centrist, moderate statement made by any of the potential 2020 candidates.
     
  4. Soundscream

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    *Trump Voice*
    "Im the least antisemitic person youve ever met."

    I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. My closest freinds have all been Jews. Ive been to multiple bar mitzvahs. Ive been a part of more Jewish religious cerimonies then I have Christian.

    You might have percived it as being antisemitic, but it wasn't.
     
  5. -COOLIO-

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    holy overreaction era. i just read this as "there's unique challenges and hinderances that a black president would have to overcome that a white president would not, thus some voters might have been a reluctant to vote for a black president despite them personally not having any racist beliefs."
     
  6. Boiled Goose

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    I don't know why we are discussing Jewishness and whiteness.

    If you wanted to give Sanders some benefit of the doubt, you can see from his comments about anti-Semitism that he is using a (too) high bar for those terms.

    It was anti-Semitism. It is racism.

    He definitely has a lot more of a hopeful outlook than many right now. Maybe that's a positive. Maybe it's naive. Dunno
     
  7. Big_Blue

    Big_Blue
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    How could you possible read it that way? Especially after his follow up???
     
  8. i-Lo

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  9. Ukraine

    Ukraine
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    He got a chance to correct himself and he didn't. The way he said it even if he didn't "mean" it is extremely hurtful to the society. It excuses the purest form of racism. I've said it multiple times, and I truly believe it. Bernie's statement is worse than Trump's "both sides" because Bernie didn't leave any ambiguity. He said it's OK to be racist.
     
  10. DorkLord54

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    Not to mention this isn't the first time Bernie has had a problem when it comes to black issues. Dude definitely has a blind spot when it comes to race, and it's one of the reasons that I don't want him running in 2020 along with his age. We need someone who realises that, while economic inequality does disproportionately affect black folks, it's not a panacea, as a) racism and the attitudes associated with it predate capitalism by a century, and b) there are issues that mostly-if-not-entirely affect black people that need to be addressed, and a one-size-fits-all approach won't fix.
    I don't think you are, and I do know where your frustration is coming from when dealing with Tetra since it's the same sort of shit you see from people defending Israel policy and using antisemitism as a cudgel despite it being completely unrelated to the critique.
     
  11. Slayven

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    You probably post about me on another board. Moderator

    What does it say about a person that hears "That man is a monkey because he is black" and decides to agree with it and use it as a reason not to vote for that person?
     
  12. El Bombastico

    El Bombastico
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    Remind me again why this fuckwit is so popular?
     
  13. -COOLIO-

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    i've only read the tweets in the OP. what was the follow up?
     
  14. To be fair, even though we argued, I don't think you or anyone else was even remotely antisemitic.

    I just think pretending Jews are the same as other whites is problematic.
     
  15. Enzom21

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    No it's not untrue, he is Jewish and white. You are trying to use him being Jewish to erase that he is white.
    He is Jewish but he is still white and can certainly take advantage of being white. He also most certainly participates in the same nonsense other white people participate in, this thread is an example of that.
    Who are you to tell people who is or isn't a racist? You're doing the same thing Bernie did.
     
  16. Big_Blue

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  17. excelsiorlef

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    ...

    WHAT
     
  18. Helio

    Helio
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    Kind of hard for me to not care about black issues when I’m black myself. And it does bother me immensely. I do not like what he said and think it’s icnredibly stupid.
     
  19. Ukraine

    Ukraine
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    EVEN if one would accept this interpretation it's still pretty racist thing to so. You are literally making a decision base on the color of the skin. Kind of definition of racism.
     
  20. Setting aside his age I still think he'd be a fantastic president but I do agree with you that his belief that economics alone will cure racism is flawed.

    That is, admittedly, a very fair point.
     
  21. Psychoward

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    Because he was a populist and rallied against the wealth gap and big business like few democratic candidates do to the extent he did before 2016.
     
  22. Soundscream

    Soundscream
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    The reason I said that was because of my experince growing up in a very Jewish community. While they all Identified as Jews, they never denied that they are white when we had conversations about race.
     
  23. Big_Blue

    Big_Blue
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    My point stands. What he said is incredibly centrist and borderline conservative.
     
  24. Megatherium

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    You’re just giving me a more long winded version. Stop talking about which of Bernie’s points is more important. This thread is about one and NOT the other.

    The thread is about Bernie saying VOTERS who don’t want to vote for a POC aren’t necessarily racist.

    In the same talk he talks about the GOP running racist campaigns.

    THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

    STOP IT.

    SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP IT.

    How many fucking times does it have to be said without you robots responding with another long-winded ass story about how racist the gop campaigns were? What the fuck is wrong with you guys?
     
  25. Helio

    Helio
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    Oh I completely agree. That you were talking about me. My bad.
     
  26. mael

    mael
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    Some pretty racist Trump supporters were pretty happy to vote for Obama in 2008 or 2012.
    Having a problem with voting for someone because the candidate is black is hardcore racism, no 2 ways about it.
     
  27. -COOLIO-

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    • User Warned: Inflammatory comparison
    that isn't the definition though. this is the definition:

    prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

    by your definition, affirmative action would be racism.
     
  28. gutter_trash

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    Same Bernie who said that the South doesn't matter
     
  29. D i Z

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    People want to bounce on grandpa Bernie's knee.
     
  30. Enzom21

    Enzom21
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    "Flawed" it's wholly incorrect.
     
  31. Ukraine

    Ukraine
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    It's literally prejudice. Like, how are you confused about this? If you don't vote for somebody only because of their skin color that's prejudice.
     
  32. DorkLord54

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    Even if they don't realise it, implicit racial bias is still racism, albeit of a different kind than the out-and-out racism of the KKK and the Pepe band.

    And affirmative action isn't racist by that definition since it doesn't see minority groups as superior, but is a corrective measure for centuries of inequality that needs to be addressed.
     
  33. Stardestroyer

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    He appeals to issues that affects white progressives, which doesn't include minorities. He is a populist and opportunist.

    (not directed at your point).
    I would argue that implicit racist is far more damaging than explicit. Implicit racial bias fuels systematic racism. People use the fact that they aren't explicit like the KKK to assume that their views aren't racist. Those insidious types are far more scary than KKK.
     
  34. Beefy

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    This thread is basically white people saying what he said aint that bad or turning it into "Bernie aint a white guy he white Jewish". This is why America has such a problem
     
  35. If Bernie meant "Well meaning people can be impacted by hate campaigns", well it's true. It sucks and I think its a pretty un
    controversial stance.

    The people in this thread saying Bernie should just join the Republican party are full on goofy.
     
  36. EdibleKnife

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    Just like desegregation, affirmative action isn't racism. It's literally in place due to the implicit racial bias of the American system where if white people aren't convinced to work with minorities they'd choose not to. It's not fueled by discrimination or oppressive ideals but about forcing equality into an unequal society.
     
  37. TalonJH

    TalonJH
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    Not voting for someone because of their race but being okay with voting for someone who is their race is literally the definition you just posted.
     
  38. Enzom21

    Enzom21
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    I think a good portion of it is him and Trump being two sides of the same coin.
    Trump appeals to conservative whiteness, Sanders appeals to "liberal" whiteness.
    Trump uses racism as a tool, Sanders ignores it outright.
    That's why it wasn't so difficult for some of his supporters to jump on the Trump train.
     
  39. Big_Blue

    Big_Blue
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    Yes, but saying that people who don't vote for a man or woman because they are uncomfortable with their race aren't racist is absurd. Hate campaigns can't affect you if you're racist. He should at the least stay Independent.
     
  40. mael

    mael
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    But the bird!
     
  41. Riskbreaker

    Riskbreaker
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    One of the many reasons why I won't vote for Bernie Sanders.

    Don't call racists racists, people. You may hurt their feelings.

    He marched with Dr. King, negros. Kiss the ring.
     
  42. Helio

    Helio
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    Medicare For All, free tuition, and higher minimum wage don’t affect only white progressives. Talk shit about him, but not about those. Those things will help everyone.
     
  43. sirap

    sirap
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    Bernie ain't shit.

    But the bigger problem is how a lot of white folks just can't fathom the idea that racism doesn't start and stop at the n word.
     
  44. DorkLord54

    DorkLord54
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    The biggest problem with implicit racism is that it's ingrained and pervasive, making it hard to stamp out since the person is even more likely to bunker down like a snapping turtle and can be used as a means of 'SJWs/PC culture gone too far' if it's something that looks innocuous from a distance but is more disturbing upon closer inspection.
     
  45. OrdinaryPrime

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    I've seen some of your other posts in other topics so I don't want to leap to you're being disingenuous but I really don't understand what your point is here.

    Affirmative action isn't about the belief that one's own race is superior. Not voting for someone solely because of their skin color, which Bernie is saying here, is.
     
  46. StereoVSN

    StereoVSN
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    I got to say, that’s some mental gymnastics there. Well you see, they are not racists they just don’t like the colored folks....... :????
     
  47. Helio

    Helio
    Member

    He’s doing the casual racism thing of excusing their racism. He should’ve just not said anything.
     
  48. L Thammy

    L Thammy
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    Is this one of those "okay, he did a racist thing, but he isn't racist inside" things? One of the "well they're not a Neo-Nazi so I think they'd still good" things?
     
  49. mael

    mael
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    He is also all about discarding "identity politics" whatever that means.
    He does know how to use dog whistles.
     
  50. -COOLIO-

    -COOLIO-
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    this was his definition:

    for the record, i don't think that appealing to racists is a good enough reason to be hesitant to vote for a black president, but i don't think it's racist to acknowledge that white politicians are generally a safer choice because racism is still a very real thing.

    if i was chief of a police force looking to do an undercover operation on the KKK, i would elect the white cop as the undercover agent because it would probably be way easier for him. blackkklansman was a great movie though.