Discussion in 'EtcetEra' started by excelsiorlef, Nov 8, 2018.
Edit: My bad
Time for Bernie to sit down and shut the fuck up
Bernie is gonna run and I won't vote for him. Not because he's white. For reasons.
As someone who really supported Bernie back in 2016, he has fallen from grace in my eyes. I sincerely hope he doesn't go again in 2020.
Dipshits incoming. Dive dive dive.
Give him a break- those two black people who live in Vermont really make people uncomfortable.
Before any of you other morons bring up Dr. King again, stop it, that shit isn't even true.
I think Sanders understands the political reality that if you want to win certain voters over it doesn't help to insinuate that they're racists. Despite the fact that it might not be true. As a political move, I understand.
But how many times have minorities, black people in the US especially, been thrown under bus with the most violent consequences all for the sake of political expediency. No more of that nonsense I say.
Does DigitialOP ever not spit fire. Damn! That was choice
Also Bernie-defenders, if you have to go "He actually meant..." as a defense every time, that means Sanders is inarticulate as sin and will have trouble arguing for progressive ideals. And would have a hard ass time being President.
-Bernie marches with MLK and ends racism
Somewhere in there
More about economic anxiety tho
Dammit Bernie. Used to like you back in the election but that comment wasn't it chief. Fucking go to the bench and think of what you did. And then get someone who gets it better to run instead
Also Fun Fact: I voted Bernie in the primary. I liked him targeting wealth inequality.
But after this, nah bro
Puroresu_kid and Encephalon !
I said it. Told you all. They hit the goddamn reset button once others were no longer useful. Neighbors my ass!
Yeah Bernie is way wrong on this one. I don't give a shit if the person is purple if they got policy I like and I believe they can get shit done I'm voting for them.
As a member of SNCC, I wonder if Bernie crossed paths with Stokely Carmichael.
Bernie Sanders can relate to being uncomfortable voting for a Black person, he wanted to primary Obama in 2012 after all.
Bernie should have the 'can't relate' argument instead.
But I’ll repeat myself: he only considered primarying Obama because he wanted to make drastic cuts to Social Security and Medicare that would be praised by rich centrist pundits and Obama was only stopped by GOP obstructionism
Inexcusable. Glad the thought of voting for Bernie never even entered my mind at the time. Edit: more like ever.
Deaf ears. That's all that's left. Deaf ears.
This post is perfection.
Finally, if you read this post and rolled your eyes you already know what you are. Stop bullshitting.
I like Bernie but WTF? He's 1000% wrong. It is absolutely and undeniably racist. I don't know what else to call it.
And I know a lot of people want to say those are inherently the same thing, and I get that impulse, but it can be useful to talk about them separately for a few reasons.
First, racial bias is really prevalent among white people, even the educated liberal set. If we're talking about implicit bias, it's a vast majority. And even the more overt sort, it's a pretty sizable minority. And labeling every one of these people in the same way we do, say, a David Duke or a Richard Spencer, for whom this is more ideology than tendency, is not terribly useful if your goal is to rally the vote to move past that bias.
Second, it can be really politically toxic to talk that way. Even when it might be factually correct. Calling people racist is never persuasive, and if we want to reach people, sometimes we have to take a softer approach. Bernie has always been a big proponent of populist messaging, and populist messaging can be controversial among the elites and the ideologues, but it's a powerful tool as well. And to his credit, I think the substance of what he's trying to say here is fair.
Fucking hell Bernie. I liked you. Now I've got to add you to the pay no mind list. Fuck.
Holy shit, I can't believe I used to heavily support this guy back in 2016. Guess everyone else was right when they told me I was just a dumb, naive teenager.
was gonna say who's man is this
but y'all should've known the last few times he was on about "identity politics"
I'm sorry, but I can't find much difference between racism and diet racism. People who don't vote for black people because they're black are absolutely racist. These people shouldn't be coddled by soft words. I get what Bernie is trying to say, but the way he phrased it is tone deaf at best. The way it's phrased sounds almost like he's putting the onus on black people to be more appealing to white people, when they've been dealing with enough shit already.
I actually think in terms of the negative effects felt by people of color, bias is a MUCH bigger problem than actual ideological racism and white supremacy, just because it's a lot more prevalent and it can much more easily infiltrate institutional structures.
The reason that distinction is important is just because, unlike ideological racists who are cognizant of their beliefs, people with bias usually don't realize they're biased. They think they're hiring/voting/judging based on merit and it just so happens that 3/4 of the time the white person is more deserving. They don't think of themselves as racists, and if you want to reach them, and build the kind of coalition that wins election, you can't just label 80% of the population (and it is 80% of the goddamn population) as "racists who need to fuck right off." You just can't be that direct about it.
I'd love to live in a world where we could tell it like it is 100% of the time, but that world isn't the world of politics, at least.
I've read most of the thread so apologize if this was addressed and I missed it but the point about it being the first time they had the possibility of voting for a black person, does that even apply? Is he including primaries like his ass lost in as well? Because if so, not to mention two elections with Obama, I guarantee this wasn't the first time these people had the chance to vote for a black candidate. I already checked and saw that Florida had a black candidate for governor in the last 16 years. Shut the fuck up Bernie!
It's why we have all the Suppression happening in the first place