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Marvie

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A popular figure for the Democrat Socialist movement. Did he kept quiet after loosing? No he continues to fight what is right for us Americans. His endorsement to the new upcoming democrats helped them to the the general election and even win.

Now if Biden decides to run, then it will be 2016 all over again running off of Obama's popularity.
This isn't even close to true. A majority of the candidates Bernie endorsed either lost their primary or lost their election.
 

lmcfigs

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That, too. The point is to get to the nomination, that's something Bernie will likely never accomplish. Few politicians do that.
I really want to see what your posts would've looked like in 2007 and if you would've said the same thing about her then. Like I wonder if these factors are as meaningful as we think they are.
 

Xx 720

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Not sure how to feel about this tbh. I voted for him in the primary, Clinton in general. I just don't want another Trump term, and I've grown pessimistic about 20, hope to god we don't screw ourselves over
 

Azoor

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The idea that the only way to take on Trump is "Radical Policies" is absolutely absurd after the past midterm cycle.
Trump won due to having signature issues like the wall. Traditional candidates like Hillary or Kamala who are out of touch don't really have a chance against him, they don't represent a breath of fresh air that is needed in the political sphere. This is why I hope in the distant future we're gonna see AOC take office.
 

Ichthyosaurus

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I really want to see what your posts would've looked like in 2007 and if you would've said the same thing about her then. Like I wonder if these factors are as meaningful as we think they are.

I was for Obama back then, but as much as I disliked Hillary (and I despised her) Bernie was on another level.

edit: Against Obama she had those same advantages, too. Because she spent time building that up, she didn't start during the campaign. Obama had to pull off a miracle to win against her, and he was more of an insider to the party than Bernie ever was.
 

FreezePeach

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If they're in California or New York, it kinda didn't matter.

Were they in a swing state? Do they have any regrets about losing two Supreme Court noms?
I had a good mate who supported bernie in the primary and then decided to vote for Gary Johnson. In the fucking state of florida.

I let my contempt be known.
The 2 i knew were in Florida as well. I also knew a Fl guy that voted Gary Johnson but wasnt a bernie supporter, he just thought he was a genius for some reason for voting 3rd party...he even said it was 'genius'. See the thing with being a part of club 'fucking stupid' is they are in fact stupid.
 

Zips

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Suddenly, the next two years look like they're going to be a lot longer than the already overly long previous two years were.
 

D.Dragoon

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This affects other countries too, you.
Apparently the President of the United States, the leader of the most powerful country in the world, has no effect on foreign countries... that shit is news to me i guess.
Primaries are good.

The idea that contested primaries push people to the other side is a fiction pushed by so called anointed candidates. Didn't happen in 2008. Didn't happen in 2016.
I have no problem with primaries and that is why I don't say candidate should not run when they announce. Some people on this board and across the internet don't seem to understand that with their "Candidate X should not run." Vote Bernie in primaries, Dem nominee in General election, it is that simple for me.
 

lmcfigs

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y2dvd

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Old article but it still speaks to his character.

https://medium.com/@ShaunKing/you-dont-really-know-who-bernie-sanders-was-in-the-1960s-79628016125f

Bernie literally helped lead the first known sit-in in at the University of Chicago, where 33 students camped outside of the President's office — protesting segregating housing on campus.

Disturbed by police brutality in Chicago, Bernie once spent the entire day blanketing the city with flyers on the issue — only to notice that he was being tracked by police who were following him and taking the flyers down.
Bernie hates telling these stories and has resisted using them for political capital across the years — even when advisors and others have told him it would boost his profile — he has refused. He does what he does because he cares. When I introduced Bernie at a rally in Los Angeles by sharing many of these stories, his own family came to me in tears saying that even they had never heard them before. He has always felt that what he did during the sixties paled in comparison to those who were beaten or lost their lives — and so he has kept some powerful stories to himself.


In August of 1963, just days before the March on Washington, the City of Chicago was about to install some more Willis Wagons for Black school children, and a brave interracial group of local activists and organizers decided to put their bodies on the line to block the installation of those trailers. They stood in front of bulldozers. They chained themselves together. Out of his reverence for what activists in the South were doing, Bernie has long since downplayed this demonstration, but it took so much courage.

Bernie, side by side with Black women, chained to them, refused to move. Even when the Chicago Police told him they would arrest him and forcefully remove him, he refused, and even when they decided to arrest Bernie and pick him up and carry him out of that parking lot so they could install those Willis Wagons, he kicked and screamed and resisted the entire way. Have you seen that photo of them carrying Bernie? I love it. And that photo, to me, is not just who Bernie was, it's who he's been his entire life.
 

Kirblar

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Trump won due to having signature issues like the wall. Traditional candidates like Hillary or Kamala who are out of touch don't really have a chance against him, they don't represent a breath of fresh air that is needed in the political sphere. This is why I hope in the distant future we're gonna see AOC take office.
No, Trump won due to winning over racist white votes in the midwest by pretending to be a populist, a pretense he abandoned immediately upon taking office and then almost as quickly faced a massive electoral backlash from those people who wanted Medicare expansion... but not for black people. That's not "issues", that's just running on racism and populism together, which as we've seen in Europe, is a very popular combination!
 

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While I think Biden would have been a far better candidate than Hillary, I think he would lose against Trump. He lacks the charisma that Obama had and no real effective policies like what Bernie has.
Lmao if there is one person with charisma its Biden. He has more charisma than any of the names you listed in your post (excluding Obama of course)
 

Ichthyosaurus

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Legislative positions do not have the responsibilities the executive does. Different standards for different offices.

As well as the fact her successor got kicked out at the last minute, and there wasn't anybody else running who had the chops. Bernie hasn't been pulling off amazing feats of strategy like what she did when she won the Speakership, either.
 
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The people calling for young blood are explicitly only talking about the presidency. Perfectly okay to have 80 year olds in every other position of power 😂

Trying to find a logical consistency in the hatred of Bernie isn't going to get you anywhere.

Probably has more to do with being accustomed to ancient-ass congresspeople and Justices than thinking it's "perfectly okay."
 

Novel

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The people calling for young blood are explicitly only talking about the presidency. Perfectly okay to have 80 year olds in every other position of power 😂

Trying to find a logical consistency in the hatred of Bernie isn't going to get you anywhere.

Basically. That it extends to erasing the existence of minorities and women only compounds my frustration.
 

UltraMagnus

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Bernie isn't Hillary. Hillary spent her entire life building significant connections in the party itself, reaching out to the necessary demographics and gaining a huge influence in the media which paid off. Bernie hasn't done half that, and certainly won't within a year.

edit: Hillary wasn't "owed" anything, many people saw that as a foregone conclusion - including Bernie's own followers. Which was correct because Bernie wasn't in her league politically, and he knew it.

Harris and Warren aren't Hilary either. Bernie can beat either one of them IMO, neither has close to the political clout Clinton had in 2014/15.
 

Marvie

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Um, that list is has 31 official endorsements with a total of 12 candidates who won their elections.

Seems like a pretty decent track record when you consider that he was endorsing a lot of very left wing candidates running in primaries. No one sane would expect a 100% track record, but every primary victory helps further build a left wing coalition.
 

Azoor

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No, Trump won due to winning over racist white votes in the midwest by pretending to be a populist, a pretense he abandoned immediately upon taking office and then almost as quickly faced a massive electoral backlash from those people who wanted Medicare expansion... but not for black people. That's not "issues", that's just running on racism and populism together, which as we've seen in Europe, is a very popular combination!

Yeah, the wall IS a racist populist policy, that's my point. He appeals to many racist Republicans who voted for him due to him having the balls to be overtly racist. It's his racist policies that got him elected. This is why traditional candidates like Kamala would never win against him.

My point stands.
 

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The 2 i knew were in Florida as well. I also knew a Fl guy that voted Gary Johnson but wasnt a bernie supporter, he just thought he was a genius for some reason for voting 3rd party...he even said it was 'genius'. See the thing with being a part of club 'fucking stupid' is they are in fact stupid.
And the worst thing is when you find thing that scroll across your screen like how Gary Johnson attended CPAC as a speaker and you just want to scream at them for how much of a fucking rube they are. Or their third party vote is basically as useful as not voting at all. Its just blurgh.

I'll take criticism that I'm rough about the whole meta of US politics but damnit one candidate is literally a cartoon villain.
 

Kirblar

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Thread on views of Bernie broken down by race lines. Data taken from an Economist and YouGov Poll

Figured I'd post it here since we all love polls and charts and data graphs and that noise.

And this is the necessary context for that chart, which the tweet alludes to.
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Yeah, the wall IS a racist populist policy, that's my point. He appeals to many racist Republicans who voted for him due to him having the balls to be overtly racist. It's his racist policies that got him elected. This is why traditional candidates like Kamala would never win against him.

My point stands.
The people he got in the swing states were racist I/Ds. Without the fake populist economic policy, it's just the racism, which isn't enough.
 
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