My state always swings Democrat, so there's nothing to worry about.
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Bernie Sanders will Run Again in 2020
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My state always swings Democrat, so there's nothing to worry about.
1) The post was stating a majority of endorsements lost elections, which was argued to be false, but is actually a true statement from the posted source.
2) The argument a lot of far left advocates use is that the Democrats need to be more "leftist" in order to win, yet the actual data shows traditional candidates won contested races in 2018 and the DSA/Justice Democrats lost the vast majority of contested races.
3) I can't find the article, but there is a Vox piece on endorsement success rates and Sanders is at the lower end of the table around 50%, with other politicians up in the 70%/80%. Obviously this makes sense when people are endorsing others within the party and with party backing but the point still remains that the main argument put forward by the far left has been proven to be rather false by the 2018 midterms.
clearly he's the manchurian candidate that's why he wants every lower and middle class american's lives to all be better
pure commie evil
Using the internet as a barometer for anything is a good way to have your expectations crushed for just how many people there are who think exactly like you.
Bernie Bros were a small, insignificant group of people who were amplified by the nature of the internet.
And they were Russian bots/trolls.
Says the poster of a dumbass pedantic response to my criticism of a dumbass tweet.
He's bitching that people are saying Pelosi is a badass and also upset that some of those same people are saying Sanders is too old to be President. My point is that those two things have no fucking relation. I can think Pelosi is a badass and still think Sanders is too old to be President. Just like I think Pelosi is a badass and she's too old to be President.
If that confuses or upsets you, I can't help you.
I'm hoping all these great candidates just pull the entire platform more left and progressive and then I'll just vote for the one that becomes the final candidate.
Why is Pelosi too old to be president but not speaker of the house? The point is that logic doesn't make any sense
Can't be any worse than Trump being all up in Russia in the 2010s.
Bernie went to the USSR in the 80s as part of a diplomatic program between Burlington, VT and Yaroslavl, which were sister cities. It happened to be after his marriage so he joked that it was his honeymoon.
That's about it.
What disappoints me is that Bernie's career hasn't been defined by these kind of moments, instead he's let his demons ruin his reputation.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/08/bernie-backers-attacks-infuriate-democrats-242386
https://www.vox.com/2016/5/17/11680904/bernie-sanders-nevada-convention
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/sanders-clinton-not-qualified-to-be-president-221666
Between those two I can see Harris doing the legwork Hillary did to get who she is. Warren's been trying for ages, but hasn't bene able to get the same success rate but I'd give her more credibility for trying to accomplish those strategies than Bernie. He never got how the "game" worked.
Alright, well as long as you're maintaining consistency that's fine. I guess I misinterpreted you. My bad.
So, acknowledging that the guy knows about Pew Chart you provided, think on these charts he provided.
The stress of the Presidency is enormous, requires you to be available 24/7 and be able to make decisions that will kill people at a moment's notice. The logic makes perfect sense if you're aware of how much of a strain that position actually is if you're not a dementia ridden blob who watches Fox News all day. It's why everyone's hair goes white.
He's acknowledging the problem while also refusing to actually grapple with it. https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/na6jdfbhty/econTabReport.pdf
So let's grapple with it using the source material. Since I can't actually suss out D-leaning Is, we have to go with Clinton voters as the metric.
The problem is that this is helpful for a) who is broadly popular and b) who has name recognition, two things you aren't going to win the nomination without.
But.... as you can see when comparing this to polling results, it doesn't really line up at all. Warren isn't leading polls, Booker isn't even placing. It's data, but it doesn't mean anything beyond establishing beyond telling you where candidates might need to get work done to even have a chance.
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Two things:
1. Where did I say she's not too old to be Speaker?
2. Leader of the free world is a different job than leader of the House. Yes, her job is important. Yes, her job is difficult. But I also don't want the weight of the Executive branch on her shoulders.
Edit: Basically this:
My main takeaway from that data is "who the fuck is Pete Buttigieg and why do white people love him?"
How does that not make any sense?
Congress has a constant stream of recesses and House leader/Senate leader isn't the executive of the most powerful country in the world.
Being POTUS is orders of magnitude more stressful and debilitating to ones health.
The stress of the Speaker is also enourmous and arguably more important in certain areas. If you don't think an 80 year old is capable of being president it makes 0 logical sense to think they'd be capable of being Speaker.
The presidency is what you make if it, you can be extremely hands on like Obama or barely ever working like Trump. Bernie would obviously be more hands on and considering how well he fared with the stress of campaigning he would be up to the task.
This whole "he's too old" argument is complete nonsense. Even if you think he's going to die in office, that's what the VP is for.
I think it isn't about white people loving him as much as it is about a lot of people saying they don't know who he is, and the people who do know who he is happening to like him.
She was. As were Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and Ayanna Pressley.
No need to rewrite history.
They are. I just don't like it when the destruction they caused in Bernie's name is characterised as being minor or supported by Bernie's campaign. There have been charges that Hillary's did the same, but I've never seen reports that go that far.
This isn't about strictly the internet, it's about a group of people who disrupted the Nevada convention with violence and issued death threats. This fact often gets overlooked by Bernie supporters when Bernie Bros are bought up, this is the main reason Bernie Bros are poison in the party. They were not a group to be dismissed lightly, they did a lot of damage in Bernie's name which Bernie himself failed to condemn in like a leader should.
The Russians definitely could have used them to sow discord.
They did use them to sow discord, that's documented.
And yea stupid shit went down with Sanders supporters in 2016 that even I've forgotten about, but honestly I don't really care because I'm way, way past the 2016 primary in terms of that shit and if I want to criticize Sanders there are way more prudent topics to discuss.
Care to explain what's wrong with it or are we just doing away with the facade of objectivity completely?
Wait I already know the answer -___-
ah yes, this is lovely for me to bookmark
unfortunately, i don't think they're mostly rumors, they're intentionally spread misinformation
With most candidates, you vote knowing there's an extremely slim chance that you're also voting for a Vice President who may have to take over their job.
With a candidate pushing (or already over) 80, you're voting based on the likelihood that their Vice President will probably have to take over for them at some point.
I don't want to vote for a President who's living on borrowed time.
then what did she do to get Obama elected in 2008 that was so much more strenuous?
only Hillary is allowed to whine on why she lost an election.
Mortality rates drastically increase once you get into your 80's, especially for men when compared to women.
Having the caveat that your candidate might actually die of natural causes during his term is bad. Having a POTUS die during a first term is super bad.
So if the age topic is actually an issue (and it is for me), and lets just say I'm 100% with Sanders policy wise. I would much rather vote for someone who is 90% of Sanders policy and is nearly a decade younger.
I'm not forgetting that since Bernie provided an environment to thrive by radicalising his base, he refused to condemn them as a leader should have and I do not want to see this happen ever again in a primary. This may not affect you because you're on Bernie's side, but it affects every other candidate and the DNC itself. It's crucial he not repeat this mistake.
So you agree with her assessment of Bernie.
You keep letting his supporters speak for himself. You have fringed supporters on all sides.
Anyways donated $27 and am doing a reoccurring monthly donation. This PoC is on the train.
To be fair, Hilary only complimented Bernie before she lost and had to find someone to blame for her defeat.
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