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"Bernie's Back Rally" today in New York with guests Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Michael Moore
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That wasn't my argument either. I'm talking about what you're talking about. The notion that he sees economic equity as the only means of dealing with racism is false. Admittedly, he placed a greater focus on economic inequality in 2016, but during this cycle, he empathises the need to address racial inequality much more strongly at every rally and fully understands how the issue is intersectional, as he's demonstrating as we speak.
I think you're exactly right. Bernie really is running a different campaign from 2016. He most certainly is more intersectional in this new campaign. Truly intersectional; unlike some other candidates.
No, you got called out for drawing a false dichotomy between economic inequality and identity politics. There is no conflict, the two can (and should, and have to) coexist in a progressive agenda that is going to make meaningful change. The problem with candidates in the race not named Sanders or Warren is that they don't support making substantive and necessary changes that our system desperately needs.
no, we'll turn on AOC because she's a woman, which is also the only reason we support Bernie over Warren, according to the same people who are constantly looking for excuses to cancel WOC whose views don't align perfectly with Democratic Party leadership
But doesn't Elizabeth Warren have the whitest base by far? So should this board not be supporting her as well? Sorry but not basing my vote on how some one else interprets a politicians message.
Jobs guarantee pixie dust is really the only thing I dislike here. Asserting full employment as a kind of social mandate opposes where we're going.
Can we improve our society through work projects? Yes. But we gotta get the fuck off this "we all need jobs or else" imposition. It was about the only thing I think he got hit hard on in the debates and doesn't really have an argument against it.
Can we improve our society through work projects? Yes. But we gotta get the fuck off this "we all need jobs or else" imposition. It was about the only thing I think he got hit hard on in the debates and doesn't really have an argument against it.
proportionally that's probably actually Buttigieg
(she's definitely getting propped up by white voters in the horserace polling but that's more a factor of Biden still polling at 40% with black voters than any particular unpopularity with POC)
We know what it is. It's like the people who "really care" about future generations, but they really don't like the candidate that young people universally like.
No, it's not real. The picture of Bernie is from some podcast and then people started photoshopping it as a facecam for games when his Twitch account got made.
So I'm a neoliberal because I don't support Sanders? lol
This has really gone on long enough. This was about his growth in support in 2016, which was because he represented what Democrats used to be in respect to Economic Inequality vs. Identity Politics. That's why he gained such a major political spotlight in the face of being the sole voice against Clinton, because he represented a voice to people who felt "abandoned" by the establishment.
What "the establishment" means, I take issue with because you need to talk about how "the establishment" came to be, which was a direct result of the political realignment that happened post-Civl Rights. I take issue with the ramifications of Economic Popularism in the face of people arguing that Identity Politics has gone "far enough".
Yea, and this entire conversation was about 2016. I said this like five pages ago.
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Betting is a great way to gaugue probablitiy of winning the nom. These odds are averaged from 10 different bookmakers who have markets on the democratic nom.
Its not a very outlandish statement. On the balance of probabilities, Warren has 5 times more chance of being the nom.
People can support whoever they want, where are you getting this idea that I'm policing who people should support? Why would I give a crap about how you're not voting based on my view of a candidate?
No, you are a neoliberal based on the posts you make on this board all the time. This thread doesn't exist in a vacuum. You don't have to support Sanders (hell, I'm going to vote for Warren instead of him in the primary), but you shouldn't lie about his record, policies, or message either. Bernie does not make the argument that "identity politics have gone to far" as a candidate he has embraced identity politics as part of a broad progressive agenda.
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I second that. He has a way better chance of winning than Biden.
But he needs a majority in the congress and senate to implement his plans. And it will take decades to repair the damage caused since the Reagan years.
I mean, if your argument is that you don't support him because of how he ran his 2016 campaign, that's your prerogative, but regardless of how he articulated his policies back then, it doesn't change the fact that his universal policies would disproportionately help people of color, and that was true in 2016 as well.
And if you're not supporting candidates regardless of how they've evolved on articulating their positions, then I'm afraid there's no candidate who would objectively meet such a criteria.
Holy shit!
There actually seems to be a fair amount he could get done without Congress, including lowering prescription drug prices and forgiving almost all student loan debt. There's plenty on that here, it seems well researched: https://prospect.org/day-one-agenda
Ahhh yes, I'm neoliberal for supporting the nationalization of our energy infrastructure, mass ban on semi-automatic weapons, at least a public option for healthcare, decriminalization on drugs, end of private prisons, public colleges being free, removing student debt for those who have no means to realistically pay it off...
Or do you have some examples you wanna bring up? I would love to see them!
If you don't agree with them on everything, you're neoliberal. It's not that hard to understand.
Dude can we just have a positive thread for post-heart attack bernie?
Just ignore them, They're going to make it so they're the #1 poster in this thread and the conversation is about them rather than Bernie like he wants. They don't want us talking about the rally so they will shit up the thread until anyone who wants to post can't because they will make sure they will zero in and mock anyone who posts here. Ignore the troll and let them run back to Poli Era where they are declaring that Omar is apparently needs to be primaried by a white women for disagreeing with them.
What did these odds look like for Trump vs Clinton, or in other primaries? Is this actually a good barometer?
The argument wasn't even about why I didn't support him, the discussion was why he became so popular and what his message was. I had no intentions of bringing back some type of sudo-2016 primary fight until someone felt like they needed to bring voter counts into this, and it just spiraled out of control from there. But if people wanna give outright examples of the fears I had with his populist message in the thread, or call me a neoliberal? Then shit, I'm game.
A correction. Sanders does not like identity politic, like aoc. The reason isnt that they dontbsupport minority based policy but because they do. What they dont support is identity in a vacuum to deflect from substantive minority policy. No 'here is black person who screws over black poor people yay identity' nonsense
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So are you just making stuff up or do you have receipts for that hilariously nonsensical claim?
mark of an extremely good poster: repeatedly generalizing entire communities based on a single post by one poster (who in this case literally lives in that district) while complaining that they're the ones making OT unreadable
the claim appears to be facially true but, uh, not at literally any level beyond the surface
Which is why their policies are intersectional, because identities don't exist in a vacuum.
exactly, I don't know why people have such a hard time understanding this
well actually I do, they want class to not be a factor in intersectionality
That's great that you suspport those things, so do I. And as someone who supports those policies, Sanders is such a threat to you because...?
And this problem would also chase any candidate that isn't a GOP darling.
I guess the problem here is: will she be popular enough to draw in voters during the generals? That's ultimately the question since the election will be again set by turnout and not by convincing the "middle ground voters"...I feel she (Warren) has even less enthusiasm behind her than even Hillary :/ (I wouldn't say Bernie has more either, his time was definitely 2016).
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I don't post in PoliEra,
I'll say, Bernie's always seemed the most genuine out of all the candidates imo, but I don't live in the US so unfortunately I can't vote for him. All I can say is best of luck with your shit next year America and I hope Bernie wins for your sake.