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NaDannMaGoGo

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This is a pretty weird reading of the character and the situation around her. You bring up her romantic feelings for Guts but fail to bring up the fact he shuts her down hard without any question to his feelings on the subject. She might have some lingering feelings for him buts Guts isn't and never was about that. She's also a vital member of the party and being a skilled magic user she's often more important and essential than Guts himself.

Not even sure how she doesn't fit in tonally when there are several characters that are far more humor focused than her like Magnifico and Isidro and she isn't even the only younger character in the group. If anything Guts is the one who doesn't fit tonally though that's kind of the point considering who he is and what he has done contrasted to the rest of the group.

Why weird reading? Guts doesn't fall for her, else I would've mentioned that because that'd be a larger issue. But it IS accurate that she's a cute lil' wizard girl falling in love with Guts and there's no way that anyone can tell me that there isn't a tonal difference between the Golden Age arc and the rest. I mean Puck alone does amusing reaction faces all the time and once Schierke joins, with her own funny elf no less, that only amplifies.

But you say it yourself, Guts eventually contrasts with the rest of the group he's working with - some group you could find in any generic adventure story,
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Casca aside perhaps.
 

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It starts so, so strong and then loses itself in endless meandering. By the time they reached the boat I pretty much lost interest. Golden Arc is so tight that the endless shonen-style adventures after that just didn't do it for me.
I mean, Golden Age is probably better told but everything else gets better afterward.
 

HStallion

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Why weird reading? Guts doesn't fall for her, else I would've mentioned that because that'd be a larger issue. But it IS accurate that she's a cute lil' wizard girl falling in love with Guts and there's no way that anyone can tell me that there isn't a tonal difference between the Golden Age arc and the rest. I mean Puck alone does amusing reaction faces all the time and once Schierke joins, with her own funny elf no less, that only amplifies.

But you say it yourself, Guts eventually contrasts with the rest of the group he's working with - some group you could find in any generic adventure story,
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Casca aside perhaps.

The story, the cast and even the world have been growing, evolving and changing as the series goes on. Its not just staying static and spinning its wheels rehashing the Golden Age vibe and moments because that would have made for an incredibly stagnant story much the same if the series never grew past Guts as super edgelord Black Swordsman. There is a tonal difference but that is hardly a negative because its all very well earned and set up.

Just acting like the characters are nothing beyond their basic tropes or character arch types shows a pretty shallow reading of them, their histories, their interactions and the actions they've taken. Not too mention funny faces were hardly something unique to the rest of the series outside of the Golden Age.

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If anything the series as it is now is tonally closer to the Golden Age than its been in years, maybe decades.
 

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Why weird reading? Guts doesn't fall for her, else I would've mentioned that because that'd be a larger issue. But it IS accurate that she's a cute lil' wizard girl falling in love with Guts and there's no way that anyone can tell me that there isn't a tonal difference between the Golden Age arc and the rest. I mean Puck alone does amusing reaction faces all the time and once Schierke joins, with her own funny elf no less, that only amplifies.

But you say it yourself, Guts eventually contrasts with the rest of the group he's working with - some group you could find in any generic adventure story,
braindead
Casca aside perhaps.
The tonal difference is not nearly as large as you'd think, especially since most of the Golden Age arc is not particularly dark. It's not really until Griffith's imprisonment and the build up to the eclipse that the Golden Age arc starts getting dark again. Hell the conviction arc is a lot darker than Golden Age, and I'd argue that the Falcon of the Millennium Empire arc is as well. The only arc that's lighter is Fantasia and that's mainly due to the fact that the setting's changed from chaotic kingdoms ravaged by war, misrule by a dying insane king, and attacks by apostles, to a literal heaven on earth (Falconia) created by humanity's false messiah and a literal elf paradise (Elfhelm) led by the greatest force of good shown so far in the series.
 

Baalzebup

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Who cares where she came from? She's still some little wizard girl sidekick that seems tonally questionable in Berserk. As if Puck didn't offer enough levity for the series. If I'm not mistaken
Schierke even develops some romantic feelings for Guts, which... is just what's needed, I guess. Was she at least secretly 300 years old? Cannot quite recall.
Doesn't matter much anyway because:

The Golden Age arc 97 anime' > The Golden Age arc manga >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of the series.

That being said, if you like well drawn monsters of the week, be my guest and read all of it.
Everyone should care, because adding some more levity and even a character with some "moe" elements does not suddenly turn the whole series into a moe one. Don't forget she is a highly competent witch who has saved the party quite a few times.
 

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Oh boy, please get back to us eventually... you'll know exactly when we want you to come back and share your thoughts. Get fucking ready.
 

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Berserk is hands down my favorite anime/manga followed by Vampire Hunter D then Gungrave, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, etc.

I first found out about it from the 97 anime series which I loved, even if the animation was a little on the cheap side (like many other animes of the time, even today, lots of still-images to cut down on the animation cost). Ending completely caught me off guard.

The movies that came out a couple years ago were great and a good place for anyone to start. The new anime was trash though, I do NOT get why Berserk can NOT get a decent high budget anime series, I mean whhhhhyyyy? Is it not like one of the most popular and long running manga's in Japan?

I would absolutely kill to see a western live action tv series (MUST be on HBO or a similar platform that can do a high budget + no censorship).
 

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Berserk is hands down my favorite anime/manga followed by Vampire Hunter D then Gungrave, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, etc.

I first found out about it from the 97 anime series which I loved, even if the animation was a little on the cheap side (like many other animes of the time, even today, lots of still-images to cut down on the animation cost). Ending completely caught me off guard.

The movies that came out a couple years ago were great and a good place for anyone to start. The new anime was trash though, I do NOT get why Berserk can NOT get a decent high budget anime series, I mean whhhhhyyyy? Is it not like one of the most popular and long running manga's in Japan?

I would absolutely kill to see a western live action tv series (MUST be on HBO or a similar platform that can do a high budget + no censorship).

Its popular but Seinen popular. Its not coming anywhere close to the big hitting shounens like Naruto or even fellow hiatus plagued Hunter x Hunter.
 
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I read a few chapters after:
Griffith just told Guts that he wants him! Why do i have a feeling this is going to be some Golden Lovers shit that happens where they want to be together but something separates them, obviously because Griffith becomes Femto. Also Guts just did the back raid with them and it was a success, god my emotions
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Oh boy, please get back to us eventually... you'll know exactly when we want you to come back and share your thoughts. Get fucking ready.
To not spoil anything just a simple is it during or after the Golden Age arc which is where im at?

EDIT: if ya'll dont mind id love to share my experience with you, and hope you dont mind if I randomly update this thread with my reactions etc. I love connecting with fans of the material
 

NaDannMaGoGo

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I don't care about dark. I care about well-executed storytelling and tonal consistency and you guys are going to have a hard time convincing me that a cute lil' wizard girl (and cute, funny-face elves) would have their place in the Golden Age arc, nor anything continuing its tone. Note that I do not think it's badly written or jarring in the moment. Nah, I find Puck pretty hilarious, actually. But it sure as hell changes the overall tone of the series drastically.

Of course, Berserk doesn't turn 100% lighthearted and I never said as much. In fact, there's a bunch of gratuitous torture porn I sure could do without.

The main issue remains the way inferior storytelling and sluggish pacing. I cared about Guts, Griffith and a few other core characters. I did not care for an abundance of monster fights with little purpose - which is in part why I take the 97' anime over the manga as it cut out some of the dumber fights. It's sad how little of worth happened in over 250 chapters since.
 

HStallion

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I read a few chapters after:
Griffith just told Guts that he wants him! Why do i have a feeling this is going to be some Golden Lovers shit that happens where they want to be together but something separates them, obviously because Griffith becomes Femto. Also Guts just did the back raid with them and it was a success, god my emotions
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To not spoil anything just a simple is it during or after the Golden Age arc which is where im at?

EDIT: if ya'll dont mind id love to share my experience with you, and hope you dont mind if I randomly update this thread with my reactions etc. I love connecting with fans of the material

I'd say stay out of this thread till you're at least at Volume 13 or be very careful with what you read. I'll probably go back and spoiler a few things lol.
 

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To not spoil anything just a simple is it during or after the Golden Age arc which is where im at?

EDIT: if ya'll dont mind id love to share my experience with you, and hope you dont mind if I randomly update this thread with my reactions etc. I love connecting with fans of the material
Yea, in this arc. I don't know if you've been spoiled before, I hope not, because it's pretty fucking crazy.
 

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I don't care about dark. I care about well-executed storytelling and tonal consistency and you guys are going to have a hard time convincing me that a cute lil' wizard girl (and cute, funny-face elves) would have their place in the Golden Age arc, nor anything continuing its tone. Note that I do not think it's badly written or jarring in the moment. Nah, I find Puck pretty hilarious, actually. But it sure as hell changes the overall tone of the series drastically.

Of course, Berserk doesn't turn 100% lighthearted and I never said as much. In fact, there's a bunch of gratuitous torture porn I sure could do without.

The main issue remains the way inferior storytelling and sluggish pacing. I cared about Guts, Griffith and a few other core characters. I did not care for an abundance of monster fights with little purpose - which is in part why I take the 97' anime over the manga as it cut out some of the dumber fights. It's sad how little of worth happened in over 250 chapters since.
The changes in tone are part of the story too though! The world is changing. Kids definitely aren't anything new to the series either, it's just Miura has at least had the good sense not to throw in constant Schierke rapes.

Also I'm surprised people like Griffith so much. He's very all right, but he's a pretty flat character.
 

golguin

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Everyone who plays the Soulsborne games should read Berserk. Things literally pulled from manga and it's great.
 

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Don't trust anyone that uses the word Griffith in a sentence composed of four words
 

Radnom

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It gets really rapey at times.
This aspect of the manga is really gross and putting me off continuing and certainly putting me off recommending the manga to anyone else.

I'm reading it at the moment (just finished Golden Age) after recently watching the incredible '97 anime. I'd recommend just watching the anime series. I reckon it ends perfectly, I don't really need to know what happens next because it sort of wraps around to episode 1.
 
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Modern Berserk is moe power of friends adventure crap, though.

Talk about being clueless...

That being said, if you like well drawn monsters of the week, be my guest and read all of it.

Yes, because well drawn monsters is clearly the only thing that Berserk has going for it...

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You're not wrong regarding the spoilers bit, she does give me the usual "i want you to do me" anime/manga facial expressions. Fucking gross. I hope that Miura is sane enough to never draw a panel where she kisses Guts.

You really can't tell the difference between a little crush and "I want you to do me!" I mean really?

I'm so sick of posts like these where people act like they know what they're talking about when they so obviously don't.
 

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Read also Priest, a Korean comic. Still unfinished though.

The only real winners are those that discover it once it has actually ended. Otherwise, they'll be suffering along with us

After 20 years they get to see good old Casca. Thats huge!

vinland saga is similar i would say but it takes an interesting direction which is not at all like berserk. have you tried kingdom?


Berserk takes a different direction too in the second half. Drawing panels of all that wandering circus together takes a lot of time. No wonder manga progress stalled.
 
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vinland saga is similar i would say but it takes an interesting direction which is not at all like berserk. have you tried kingdom?

Kingdom is superior to any other manga out there, as far as I'm concerned. It's always consistent in its amazingness, and also all the female characters in it are awesome in their own right.

I mean, in what other manga you have female characters who: the leader of the largest army in China, a strategist commanding an army of thousands, a master swordman more skilled than the main character himself, as well as a leader so powerful her people calls her The Lord of Death?
 

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I stopped reading at about issue #134 or so. Should I pick it back up? I really enjoyed it but I can't remember why I quit reading.
 

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Berserk suffers from the scanlation wave that happened back in 2000-2002. We had, I believe, up to 190-200 chapters quickly worked through before Darkhorse even published the first volume. I remember powering through the series, and then having agonizing waits, basically resolving to catch up every few years.

The problem with having that much access that quickly is that the pacing and over-arching narrative feels so much stronger. The Black Sworsman, Golden Age, and Conviction arcs were all well written and well-paced, of course, but it was more easily grasped how well paced they were when we could read them all in quick succession. We didn't have to endure a decade of cliffhangers like the Japanese fan base. Can you imagine waiting for the next episode towards the end of the Golden Age arc? Jesus Christ.

Miura does lapse into GRRM-ville, but it's apparent on re-reads of the "recent" material that he knows where he is going, even if it seemed like a massive detour at the time.

Hot take: The Golden Age arc is probably the most well written, well realized dark/low fantasy material in the last 30 years, across all forms of narrative art.
 

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I stopped reading at about issue #134 or so. Should I pick it back up? I really enjoyed it but I can't remember why I quit reading.
It depends on the reason you stopped reading. Since you don't remember, it probably doesn't hurt to try it again and see if you like it.

If you stopped reading because you didn't like the direction or content of the series, then you probably shouldn't pick it back up because the series hasn't changed much in those respects.

If you stopped reading because of cliffhangers or the lack of plot advancement, then you should pick it back up because the story is past its legendarily slow boat phase, and is back to doing stuff. It's still updating slowly, but they're off the boat now.
 
Berserk suffers from the scanlation wave that happened back in 2000-2002. We had, I believe, up to 190-200 chapters quickly worked through before Darkhorse even published the first volume. I remember powering through the series, and then having agonizing waits, basically resolving to catch up every few years.

The problem with having that much access that quickly is that the pacing and over-arching narrative feels so much stronger. The Black Sworsman, Golden Age, and Conviction arcs were all well written and well-paced, of course, but it was more easily grasped how well paced they were when we could read them all in quick succession. We didn't have to endure a decade of cliffhangers like the Japanese fan base. Can you imagine waiting for the next episode towards the end of the Golden Age arc? Jesus Christ.

Miura does lapse into GRRM-ville, but it's apparent on re-reads of the "recent" material that he knows where he is going, even if it seemed like a massive detour at the time.

Hot take: The Golden Age arc is probably the most well written, well realized dark/low fantasy material in the last 30 years, across all forms of narrative art.

You are not wrong I mean the Boat arc is super smooth on a single read.
 

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Berserk suffers from the scanlation wave that happened back in 2000-2002. We had, I believe, up to 190-200 chapters quickly worked through before Darkhorse even published the first volume. I remember powering through the series, and then having agonizing waits, basically resolving to catch up every few years.

The problem with having that much access that quickly is that the pacing and over-arching narrative feels so much stronger. The Black Sworsman, Golden Age, and Conviction arcs were all well written and well-paced, of course, but it was more easily grasped how well paced they were when we could read them all in quick succession. We didn't have to endure a decade of cliffhangers like the Japanese fan base. Can you imagine waiting for the next episode towards the end of the Golden Age arc? Jesus Christ.

Miura does lapse into GRRM-ville, but it's apparent on re-reads of the "recent" material that he knows where he is going, even if it seemed like a massive detour at the time.

Hot take: The Golden Age arc is probably the most well written, well realized dark/low fantasy material in the last 30 years, across all forms of narrative art.

Where would you start the story for a live action triolgy, and why? I suspect you'd say golden age but i'm curious to hear what you'd say.
 

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Enjoy the golden arc while it last. Everything else is worse but not in a bad way. GA is simply the best.
 

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I can only imagine a live action Berserk having a budget and feel like

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Tehee - Yeah no fucking way.

B E R S E R K could be cool, but you'd have to have the right son of a bitches handlin it. You gotta think about that middle mericka and the virulent ( admirable ) fanbase elsewise - you sank.
 

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I just started to watch the movies on Netflix and love it. How is the PS4 Game?
 
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Update

I have been reading on and off due to work picking up however I just finished where

Griffith and the hawks gor branded the phoenix's and the Queen came up with the master plan to kill Griffith. Griffith is one smart son of a bitch to see it coming, fake his own death AND kill the people who wanted to kill him. Fucking christ I dont know if its genious or the Behelit is helping him or what but god damn. Also love how Guts fought off 100 men until Casca got help, what a BEAST

Loving it still!!!
 

EdibleKnife

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It's most certainly in my Top 10 media properties of all time. Oda, Togashi, Ito and Miura are the magaka I hope to be even a quarter as good as writing-wise one day. Berserk is so rich and unforgettable.

I stopped reading at about issue #134 or so. Should I pick it back up? I really enjoyed it but I can't remember why I quit reading.
Absolutely. Some of the most beautiful and striking moments in the manga are still to come even past the Eclipse.
 

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Honestly, the Lost Children Chapters were kind of weird. I liked some parts, but I also felt like it kept going on a bit too long.

Kinda glad the bad 2016 anime skipped it. *sweat drop emoji*
 

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Honestly, the Lost Children Chapters were kind of weird. I liked some parts, but I also felt like it kept going on a bit too long.

Kinda glad the bad 2016 anime skipped it. *sweat drop emoji*
That part makes more sense if you just consider it the wrap up of the Black Swordsman arc that continues after the GA arc ends- just another (terribly messed up) monster slaying quest. Think it was okay as far as length goes, especially since it's sort of a buffer between GA and Conviction.