Bethesda banning Fallout 76 cheaters, modders caught in crossfire, appeal system in place

[Alek]

I mean, it makes sense. They have an online game with an online e-commerce system. While in principle it would be fine to let players run graphical mods, it's likely difficult on their end, to distinguish these from other types of mods.

The essay thing is odd. Bethesda should be more understanding. Obviously players are going to want to mod their game, because they're used to doing so with their other games.

 

[Bizzquik]

You could've funded Obisidian's New Vegas 2, but you went chasing that GaaS money, instead.

Now this game exists to be a meme topic generator on Era.
....I miss positive Fallout news....

 

[Instro]

WHAT I LEARNED IN BOATING SCHOOL IS...

 

[Silver-Streak]

Wait, just to be clear, were these mods as in new content/items/etc mods? Because in this case, wow Bethesda that's terrible.

Or as in "Mods" that breaks the real money economy or makes them immortal to other players (known as cheats). Because in this case, ha they got what they deserved?

 

[mbpm]

Boy, they could have done this in a better way

 

[Valdega]

According to the video, people received the email for using Reshade or the lockpick bar mod.

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Nah, the video basically concludes that running Cheat Engine in the background is the most likely cause of the bans.

 

[GavinUK86]

Wait, just to be clear, were these mods as in new content/items/etc mods? Because in this case, wow Bethesda that's terrible.

Or as in "Mods" that breaks the real money economy or makes them immortal to other players (known as cheats). Because in this case, ha they got what they deserved?

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The ones banned are saying it's either reshade or cheatengine that got them banned. Reshade just effects visuals so that should never ever get you banned and cheatengine is software used to cheat a sp game, but the users banned reckon they have't used it for f76 nor was it even running. Apparently F76 scans your systems processes before launching and flags your account even if cheatengine is running, regardless of what you're using it for.

 

[KillLaCam]

A company who's games survive so long because of modding, want people to explain why modding is bad. Lmfao

 

[Kittens McMittens]

The ones banned are saying it's either reshade or cheatengine that got them banned. Reshade just effects visuals so that should never ever get you banned and cheatengine is software used to cheat a sp game, but the users banned reckon they have't used it for f76 nor was it even running. Apparently F76 scans your systems processes before launching and flags your account even if cheatengine is running, regardless of what you're using it for.

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Visual mods get you banned in most online games because it's hard for the game to know if you're doing some kind of enhanced shaders to make it look pretty, or just turning on wall hacks.

 

[Hanbei]

Elder Scrolls VI is gonna suck

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Can't wait for the Plastic Bag Collector Edition.

 

[Deleted member 4783]

My entire office is still playing. The reason? It's called "Fallout". Like, that's actually their reason.

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It's a travesty called Fallout. There is nothing Fallout there, but the name

 

[Eriol]

so, its an online multiplayer game, its well known that most of this types of game ban cheatengine or any games that modify system memory to inject info on the game, even for visuals like reshade.

 

[Deleted member 2317]

Buy 18$ palette swaps today!

 

[SHAQ]

...What?

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[The Living Tribunal]

Remember when Bethesda nurtured the modding community?

Good times.

 

[Foffy]

2018 has been good just because of trash games like this being universally laughed at.

 

[Gundam]

While this is absolutely ridiculous, I don't really see how this lines up with the rest of the Fallout 76 shitshow.

 

[GranddadFreeman]

Nah, the video basically concludes that running Cheat Engine in the background is the most likely cause of the bans.

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Pretty much this. It seems to scan every hard drive connected to see if you have any cheat engines. You can argue about whether hard drives scans are good/bad but I mean, they are already cheating and it's a bit hard to say they aren't cheating in F76 when they are in other games. Keep your cheat engines away from ya dang games

ETA: This means that email is probably real and that's a different poop show hahaha.

 

[Jacobson]

what, they're going to make the game worse?

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i know you're joking and all, but let me just say this. modding in single player games like fallout 3/4/NV/TES is one thing, modding in online multiplayer games to give you an advantage over other players is another. it doesn't matter if you think that the game is bad and the developer "deserves it", cheating is cheating.

 

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[Fredrik]

And I hope people think THRICE before buying another Bethesda softworls game.

Who am I kidding, in this very forum there are people who said they'll be there day one for a new Bethesda game.

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Wasn't FO76 made by a smaller outside team?
I'm certainly still excited for the next Elder Scrolls game.

 

[rapid32.5]

Are they trying to pull Don Mattrick level of damage for next gen after being a decent dev?

 

[Wulfric]

I get it because of the whole online game thing, but asking for an essay is fucking hilarious. Like you got detention for modding.

 

[m_dorian]

Bethesda's feet are full of bullet holes lately.

 

[VariantX]

They had to know there was zero chance Bethesda was going to allow modding of any kind in a game where they're selling shit left and right on top of having online connectivity with other users. Its typically not allowed in any games of this nature. If you bought this game to mod it, that's on you because you frankly should know better.

 

[ASaiyan]

HOW ARE THESE STORIES STILL COMING?!

It's December! The game has been out over a month! How is it still generating unique PR fuckups? Good lord...

 

[Deleted member 21003]

Oh Bethesda.

 

[Cantaim]

We are truly through the looking glass, people.

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Bethesda is really pulling out all the stops with this one.

 

[Qudi]

Question: Does this game have private servers ? Modding offline is fine, but online has the potential of abuse. Still pretty bizarre this coming from Bethesda.

An apology essay ? lmfao they cant be serious goddamn


Edit: Oh right, there are cosmetic and (and soonish boosters?) microtransactions in this game. They would start losing money with mods...

 

[Deleted member 437]

Lol at the essay.

 

[Wracu]

Bethesda is aware that modders are the ones that actually make their games playable and enjoyable, right? Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[GarthLordOfTheSith]

Man, a ban from Fallout 7Shit is the best gift Bethesda could give anyone.

 

[HeavenlyOne]

I'm not at home to check the game itself, but I use a mod to fix the ui for 21:9 and a mod that adds sorting tag icons to the inventory screen, and I haven't received an email about being banned.

I also have cheat engine installed but don't have it running when playing the game.

 

[aiswyda]

I find it incredible people are still playing this POS.
And I hope people think THRICE before buying another Bethesda softworls game.

Who am I kidding, in this very forum there are people who said they'll be there day one for a new Bethesda game.

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I think this is what gets me the most. I see so many complaints (not just on Era but in general) about how awful the game is and how poorly Bethesda has managed it but hear the same folks excited for their next project.

Everyone can buy whatever they want but I just don't understand wanting to blindly support a dev that's fucked up this bad.

 

[AVtechNICK]

I find mildly amusing the fact that people actually can mod a MMO-oriented game.

 

[Nateo]

Ok hold up with that click baiting title. Bethesda is talking about actual cheating here, not modding. While cheating and modding are closely related, they are very different things.

 

[TheBrokenMan]

The video only highlights 3 incidents, is that the extent of it or are there more reports? can't seem to find the thread that the video creator commented in.

 

[Raider34]

very slippery slope Bethesda has to be careful not to make the hardcore PC crowd to upset because they don't have money like Electronic Arts who can afford to take some backlash and survive.

 

[devSin]

It's an online game. Unless you're talking about shaders or other graphics mods, it's called cheating, and the ban is justified.

The essay bit is... really quite strange, though. If you ban somebody for cheating, why would you offer them the opportunity to bullshit their way out of it?

 

[Eriol]

I find mildly amusing the fact that people actually can mod a MMO-oriented game.

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Ok hold up with that click baiting title. Bethesda is talking about actual cheating here, not modding. While cheating and modding are closely related, they are very different things.

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i found it funny because we know how bad bethesda has managed this game and their probles, but banning for using cheatengine isnt one of them

 

[Lord Vatek]

MLA or APA?

 

[themadswagger]

Ok hold up with that click baiting title. Bethesda is talking about actual cheating here, not modding. While cheating and modding are closely related, they are very different things.

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Sorry that was unintentional. The article I found it in was titled "Bethesda Is Wielding Fallout 76 Banhammer For Players Using Mods To Improve Graphics" and referred to the cheats as mods.

 

[TheBrokenMan]

Fun Fact: H1Z1 gave hackers / cheaters a second chance if they uploaded a video on YouTube publicly apologizing for cheating in the game.

 

[Slayven]

I find mildly amusing the fact that people actually can mod a MMO-oriented game.

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You could mod World of Warcraft, the UI and certain functions. Nothing game breaking, but it was no small part the reason it got so popular cause the stock UI was garbage

 

[Deleted member 18944]

Ok hold up with that click baiting title. Bethesda is talking about actual cheating here, not modding. While cheating and modding are closely related, they are very different things.

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I've seen anecdotes of people being banned for using the ultrawide mod fix. Seems they do not distinguish between the two.

 

[Roven]

How I learned to appreciate Fallout 4 more

 

[Deleted member 21003]

Bethesda is aware that modders are the ones that actually make their games playable and enjoyable, right? Jesus fucking Christ.

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I do not believe they are aware of this, no.

 

[Valdega]

I've seen anecdotes of people being banned for using the ultrawide mod fix. Seems they do not distinguish between the two.

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Got any sources for that?

 

[texhnolyze]

So, the article only has a citation for cheating:

Reports turning up online indicate that multiple users have received similar emails from Bethesda noting they have been banned. The email reads, "This account has violated the Code of Conduct and Terms of Service by cheating. This account was detected to be running a third-party application, which provides an unfair in-game advantage, while logged onto Fallout 76."

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But they don't have anything to prove this point:

The issue the modding community has is that while some of the bans seem righteously handed out for players using mods to gain a competitive advantage, others who were banned were merely using a shader mod to improve graphics of the game.

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Also, these "moddings" aren't actually modding what we usually see in Bethesda games. These are injecting 3rd party programs which can be done in basically any game ever.

 

[Devilgunman]

Well, if using mods makes your game run smoother then you have advantage over people playing the original PoS.