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Bethesda's pen-and-paper Elder Scrolls "Elsweyr" adventure (archived here for reference) contains text that in total seems only slightly reworded from the D&D adventure "The Black Road," written by Paige Leitman and Ben Heisler as part of Wizards of the Coast's Organized Play program. The adventures are largely identical throughout their texts, aside from sometimes sloppy replacements of certain words and phrases with synonyms and the changing of certain items and locations to fit in the Elder Scrolls setting.

The introduction to "The Black Road" reads, in part:

There's nothing like the desert to make people feel small and insignificant. In every direction, huge dunes roll across the landscape, and an even bigger sky looms above. The oasis of Vuerthyl is a motley collection of sun-bleached tents in the vast Anauroch desert.
Through various means, it has been arranged that you would meet Azam the caravaneer in the large, Calimshan-styled tent that passes for a tavern here. A pair of tieflings, who seem to be unaffected by the heat, eye approaching visitors warily. The dim interior of the tent is a relief from the bright light and wind, though it's as hot here as anywhere else. The gentle sounds of a stringed instrument fill the air, and the people inside are hunched over food, drink, and conversation. A dragonborn with rust-colored scales greets you, and guides you to a private table. There are a few other adventurers here.

"Elsweyr's" introduction reads as follows:

Nothing beats the desert to make people feel small and unimportant. In every direction enormous dunes roll across the landscape, and an even larger empty air skies above it [sic]. The oasis on the border between Cyrodiil and Elsweyr is a colorful collection of sun-drenched tents in the vast desert of Elsweyr.
In various ways it is arranged that a group of adventurers would get acquainted with the caravan leader named Kar'reem. His big tent is filled with several Khajiit, which seem unaffected by the heat, they stare at you cautiously. The dim interior of the tent is a relief compared to the bright sunlight from outside, even though it is still as hot inside as out there. The soft sounds of stringed instrument [sic] fill the air, and the people are busy over eating, drinking, and conversation [sic]. An Argonian servant escorts you to an empty table.

The similarities often extend to gameplay and scenario details as well. Here's a description of a caravan players can encounter in "The Black Road":

  • Four wagons, each pulled by two foul-tempered camels
  • One wagon carries the caravan's food
  • One wagon carries the caravan's water and a shipment of medicinal herbs
  • One wagon carries a shipment of weapons
  • One wagon carries the statue of Angharradh
  • The caravan travels and sleeps in two shifts every day. Travel from predawn until noon, sleep from noon until late afternoon in the shade, travel from late afternoon until after dinnertime. Sleep from after dinnertime until predawn.
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And a loooooot more (see the full article at Ars for the full breakdown).

Not actually sure if tabletop RPGs belong on the Gaming side? But given that Bethesda is a major games publisher, and that this is a tie in for the upcoming Elswyr expansion for TESO, I feel like it should be okay. Mods, please feel free to move it if you disagree.

Anyway, Bethesda landing in legal trouble given how zealously litigious it is is... ironic.
 

PSqueak

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Isn't this not the first time they get caught doing this? I recall hearing a DLC for Fallout 4 was straight up ripped off from a custom mod expansion for new vegas a fan had made.
 

Kyuur

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That's pretty cut and dry as far as these kinds of cases come. There's too much to argue it could be a random case of duplicated ideas.
 

Slayven

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That is some inception, a tolken derivative suing a tolken derivative
 

Dphex

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as i said, a lot of gaming is creatively bankrupt...

and in general, plagiarizing is really not a good thing to do in this time and age

edit: oh, it is a tabletop tie in...nonetheless really obvious plagiarizing
 
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At first I thought this was gonna be like an in game side mission that resembled the plot of something else and thought "come on, fantasy copies itself all the time" but no, this is just straight up plagiarism. No doubt in my mind.
 

RochHoch

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How fucking stupid do you have to be to rip something else off so badly? Like goddamn, if you're gonna be a shitty copycat, at least change it enough that it doesn't look like blatantly obvious plagiarism.
 
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Oof, I can't even imagine how unfun this is going to be for the development staff who didn't plagiarize stuff. This sounds like the high-level setting and stuff, not easy to just change that on a dime. :(

EDIT: Oh wait this is a promotional pen and paper thing? Boy, whoever they outsourced this to is fired af lol
 

Calamari41

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This is like the level of Baby's First Plagiarism that you would expect to see from a fifth grader or something.
 

Doskoi Panda

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This is not a good look and my mind is spinning so many jokes around this omg
 
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Brotherhood93

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Wow. In a lot of these accusations the similarities can be ambiguous but there's really no case for the defence here.
 

Shoeless

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Holy crap. People at Bethesda Netherlands are getting served their walking papers today...
 

Kapryov

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Reading this back to back was hilarious, and even funnier how their (minor) attempts to change the wording only highlighted how poor the writing was.
 

modestb

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If you're going to steal, Black Road is a pretty solid little adventure so fair play to you Bethesda.
 

FallenGrace

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Bethesda news is nothing but negative now days.... They seriously need to get their shit together.
 

Tempy

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I didn't even know there was a Bethesda Netherlands (aren't they just for marketing and sales?). But yeah, this is really blatant. Someone's getting fired.
 
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skullmuffins

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Damn, that's blatant. I came into the thread half expecting to read about copied story beats or w/e but this is just textbook "take another person's work and change some words here and there" plagiarism-ass plagiarism. Someone's in trouble.
 

III-V

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Wait why are we pretending Philip miucin is the inventor of plagiarism?
 

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Pretty damn blatant. I wonder if the person responsible is even still working for the company.
 

Ms.Galaxy

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Hold it, for what purpose are we entertaining the idea that Philip Miucin is the architect of plagiarism?

I did what Bethesda did and changed a few words.