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Beto O’Rourke Enters the 2020 Presidential Campaign
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You were already posting false information about Beto "taking oil and gas money" earlier in the thread so it's not like you weren't already on your way out for a while
Let me preface this by saying Beto is not my first choice:
This morning was weird, my GF had his Iowa town hall thing on while I was still sleeping and in my dream the audio of him talking was synced up with visuals of Obama saying it all. Weird stuff, they absolutely strike a similar tone of optimism.
This morning was weird, my GF had his Iowa town hall thing on while I was still sleeping and in my dream the audio of him talking was synced up with visuals of Obama saying it all. Weird stuff, they absolutely strike a similar tone of optimism.
This position is utterly disqualifying for a Democratic candidate for president in 2019.
Hoping he can weather the storm cuz people on all sides have it out for him lol. He's not my first choice (Mayor Pete) or second (Warren) but has more of a chance to be the nominee and beat Trump than them imo.
All of Beto's formative political moments occur while he's in a car.
Guys, you're not getting Medicare for All until there's a Democratic controlled Senate by a comfortable margin. If it was that easy, it would have been done in 2009.
Of course no one is going to go on the record for it when it doesn't have a chance of happening. The only ones promising it are the ones with no plan to actually make it happen.
Of course no one is going to go on the record for it when it doesn't have a chance of happening. The only ones promising it are the ones with no plan to actually make it happen.
If he can't survive these attacks during the primaries then he has no business running for presidency.
But why are you even starting out in a "we should compromise and find some middle ground with Republicans" stance? Start by shooting for the sky, not with lukewarm stuff that nobody really likes. If you're elected president and you have no choice but to compromise with Republicans that's one thing, but I want the Dem nominee to at least fight for something better than that.
Because promising something on the campaign trail then not doing it immediately is a path to losing seats in Congress, or worse, losing re-election. Why do you think Trump is still fighting for a border wall?
Eh, it's just the Bernie people rushing to try to define him this early in the cycle. I'm not worried.
Look up the term "social democrat". The venn diagram between that and the collectively held view of progressivism is practically a circle.
I also took back my statement because it turned out to be false (or at least very out of context). I certainly was dismissive of Beto at first because he wasn't championing policies I prioritize in the first place, but hearing him all but flat out say "no" is enough for me to turn to other, much more progressive candidates.
Kyle likes to think of stupid names for people he dislikes. None were really funny after Amy CloudBootJar.
That isn't accurate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/medicare-for-all/?noredirect=on
The majority of Dem candidates support Medicare for All. Now, if you want me to qualify that by saying that some of these candidates don't have a clear plan to implement M4A, then ok, but Beto's starting position is a public option, which Obama wanted 12 years ago...
Looks like people are responding with Pavlovian dislike for the specific "common ground" phrasing in that interview, mistaking it for bothsidesism, even though that's not what it is at all. Especially when you consider Obamacare being proven to actually be really popular with conservative voters and several GOP incumbents running on "we won't touch your pre-existing conditions" despite pushing lawsuits to do exactly that. Hell, a couple of GOP incumbents lost due to the this very thing. There's nothing controversial about talking about "common ground" with respect to healthcare considering expanding Medicare is actually really popular with conservatives. It's not the unspeakable phrase people seem to think it is in this context.
That and a single-payer system replacing private insurance is way less popular than Medicare buy-in/public option on the exchanges. . I'm not even sure it'd be a net positive once the GOP starts hammering the giant cost of it. It sounds better in the abstract politically than in reality.
The goal is you get the most House/Senate seats you can and push for the most liberal plan you can get at that point. You need the base and as many moderates as you can get to vote for you.
Ah, that's a Twitter ad getting attacked since Bernie fans/fans of other candidates/conservatives are seeing it. Beto's Twitter feed has been surprisingly positive.
being in favour of large tax increases, improved social security and socialised medicine isn't progressive unless we're also pro-seize the means?
Man progressives on Twitter showing how dumb they are again with the loser takes . They think policy will win them general election. How out of touch can you get
You're not a true progressive unless you've praised the Soviet Union and supported nationalizing industry... because that has never gone wrong in human history
https://twitter.com/kfile/status/1106251433895186433
Now post one of the polls showing that only around 25% of American voters support socialism and see how fast the "Bernie is a democratic socialist not a socialist socialist" responses come pouring in...
Not only that but attacking a fellow Democrat. Like, why are you doing the Republican's job for them? Jesus christ.
The poster I responded to said "social dem", not "dem socialist." Socdems don't want to seize the means.
I want to seize the means.
Edit: I misread the post. It says "socialist dem". My bad.
What is with the Dems putting out people who lost lower races into the top spot...smh
He'd get eaten alive during the debates. We need to back someone who's most recent political accomplishment isn't losing to fucking Ted Cruz.
He'd get eaten alive during the debates. We need to back someone who's most recent political accomplishment isn't losing to fucking Ted Cruz.
He never actually said "no", though?
My point is, it's confirmation bias. No one is required to like Beto or pick him as their first choice, but it's another thing entirely to actively tear people down with confirmation bias. Leads into informing political opinions based on ill-informed twitter hot takes.
With the current state of the senate and the way the populations seem to be shifting more towards city concentration we arent getting a comfortably liberal senate again, while its very possible for it to continue to be comfortably red. Senate is the ultimate roadblock for progress unless there is a drastic change in structure. Each state getting 2 senators basically makes the red voter in dumbfuck nowhere have like 50 times more voting power. So with that fact in mind, you arent getting amazing liberal policies passed that are phrased as 'liberal policies'. The 'common ground' language unfortunately will be a necessity for the foreseeable future to overcome the brainwashing that's been done by Fox news. Depressing, but true.
One of the top replies is a woman whose Twitter bio says "I hate feminism. It's gross."
He's a social democrat at best, yet picks the democratic socialist moniker for some reason
Beto is the most GenXer that has ever GenXed.
Curious to see how far he will get, doubt he will win the nomination with his milquetoast positions.
This is exactly the time to criticize, we are well before the primaries.
You think everyone should show a united front for all D candidates, regardless of position?
Curious to see how far he will get, doubt he will win the nomination with his milquetoast positions.
This is exactly the time to criticize, we are well before the primaries.
You think everyone should show a united front for all D candidates, regardless of position?
You can criticize if you're coming from a good faith position though. But many of the attacks are disingenuous fake news shit. Attack Beto on his policy positions, not some made up boogeyman about oil money.
That's what I don't get. I've said a few times that Bernie/Biden are too old. Outside of that realistic concern, I have none for anyone else. Any Democrat has my support. If the nominee ends up being Bernie/Biden, I will support them with all I've got and hope they pick one hell of a VP. That doesn't mean I don't have preferences, I just don't have the time/desire/willpower to stan for anyone to the point of trying to tear down all their competitors.
That word salad response is a very clear indication he isn't on board for M4A. People have innate bullshit detectors about these things.
The few policy positions I have read so far have been middle of the road stuff.
I doubt his candidacy will ignite passions, and his hesitancy to throw the GOP under the bus tells me is playing a losing game.
Debates never really mattered in the end as shown during the GOP primary and general election in 2016. If people connect with you, then they will excuse your debate performance.
Beto also got chewed up by Cruz during thier debates and he still came close.
I don't see how overcoming the Fox brainwashing is even possible. Fox News and people who watch it will never give a Dem president the benefit of the doubt. President Beto (or whoever) could say something totally harmless like "I think it would be a good thing if more people had healthcare" and Fox would spin it as "Beto Stalin wants to use your money to give handouts to lazy druggies and bums".
imo the more you try to appeal to the common ground, the more Fox News moves to the right.
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Yeah, I never understood this. He's literally throwing himself under a bus with that label, yet he calls himself a socialist like the title actually matters.
AOC does the same shit. She's a SocDem, not a DemSoc. Corbyn in the UK is the only actual Socialist I can think of in a position of power in a developed nation.
But of course, there's no need to actually discuss the merits of various candiadates because that would be far too dangerous. Lord knows 'Beto' can't even stand up to the smallest amount of scrutiny without the media propping him up. Just clap and make vaguely supportive noises whenever another vapid, unprincipled centrist enters the ruining bringing with them their long history of fuck and all.
I think it's too early for him to run and thought so basically since the midterms, but whatever. All the speculation about the horse race before the horse race is pointless. He's exciting for Texas as someone who got to vote for him. I don't find the prospect of him in the White House that exciting, but the primary is where he'll prove he's ready for that anyway.
That's true but that also doesn't mean we need some like Beto who actually 100% buys in to that nonsense and doesn't see the damage the Republican party can cause.
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