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Beto O’Rourke Enters the 2020 Presidential Campaign

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chaostrophy

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Musubi said:
Ah here we go with all the wonderful hot takes and purity tests.
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What does this even mean? I thought purity tests meant not supporting your party's candidate in the general because they're not pure enough. But this is a primary, ultimately everyone only gets to vote for one candidate, dismissing all the rest until the general. The point is to be selective.
 
samoyed

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chaostrophy said:
What does this even mean? I thought purity tests meant not supporting your party's candidate in the general because they're not pure enough. But this is a primary, ultimately everyone only gets to vote for one candidate, dismissing all the rest until the general. The point is to be selective.
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Purity test is any criticism of a D now.
 
TrojanAg

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He (barely) lost to Cruz in a red state. He didn't lose to a Republican in a state like California. Some of you still don't get that.
 

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The reason why Bernie keeps calling himself a "democratic socialist" is because there are hundreds of clips of him describing himself as that lol It would look horrible if he tried to back away from that.
 

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Metal Slugger said:
What is with the Dems putting out people who lost lower races into the top spot...smh

He'd get eaten alive during the debates. We need to back someone who's most recent political accomplishment isn't losing to fucking Ted Cruz.
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yeah Dems should push someone who lost in a double landslide to Hillary Clinton instead...oh wait.
 
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TrojanAg said:
He (barely) lost to Cruz in a red state. He didn't lose to a Republican in a state like California. Some of you still don't get that.
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The fact that he almost won Texas is probably the biggest thing going for him. The reason I resent him for that is he's gonna run for President and probably flop instead of stealing Cornyn's seat and getting a blue seat in Texas.
 
TrojanAg

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Also, he has more political experience than Trump did so that is a pretty weak argument.
 
samoyed

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Tygre said:
Y'all aren't walking into this "common ground" "bipartisan" "cross the aisle" bullshit again, are you?
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I'm not, but as far as I can tell this is Beto's main path to the nomination.

He's here to sell the dream of a bi-partisan America to liberals and moderates. Whether that'll be enough to win is anyone's guess.
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Also, he has more political experience than Trump did so that is a pretty weak argument.
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Ds don't judge candidates like Rs do, unless you're expecting Beto to capture the Trump base who only votes for what sounds good at rallies.
 

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Tygre said:
Wow, er, that's gotta be disqualifying for a Dem candidate in 2019 right?

Y'all aren't walking into this "common ground" "bipartisan" "cross the aisle" bullshit again, are you?
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For expanded healthcare, which is also pretty popular with conservatives? If you CAN get bipartisan support you'd be a fool not to. Context matters, you can't just look at the phrases and automatically think "bad".
 

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It'sEctoplasm said:
The reason why Bernie keeps calling himself a "democratic socialist" is because there are hundreds of clips of him describing himself as that lol It would look horrible if he tried to back away from that.
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Yes but one wonders why he ever started it to begin with lol.

TrojanAg said:
He (barely) lost to Cruz in a red state. He didn't lose to a Republican in a state like California. Some of you still don't get that.
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yeah

The Turbanator said:
The fact that he almost won Texas is probably the biggest thing going for him. The reason I resent him for that is he's gonna run for President and probably flop instead of stealing Cornyn's seat and getting a blue seat in Texas.
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I agree that he should go for Cornyn's seat but I'm sure he would flop for that as well. Either way now we're definitely not taking it bar some Roy Moore esque fuckery

Tygre said:
Wow, er, that's gotta be disqualifying for a Dem candidate in 2019 right?

Y'all aren't walking into this "common ground" "bipartisan" "cross the aisle" bullshit again, are you?
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you would hope
 
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Psychoward said:
Yes but one wonders why he ever started it to begin with lol.
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To normalize it!

We're at a point where a political organization can call themselves socialists openly and actually win seats on it. I would've never considered such a thing 8 years ago (I didn't even understand what socialism was 8 years ago).
 
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chaostrophy said:
What does this even mean? I thought purity tests meant not supporting your party's candidate in the general because they're not pure enough. But this is a primary, ultimately everyone only gets to vote for one candidate, dismissing all the rest until the general. The point is to be selective.
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Purity test is any time a progressive criticizes or shows disapproval of any policy position that corporatist Dem holds.
 
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i cant stop laughing at the fact that this dude unironically has 'were all in this together' on the homepage of his campaign site
 
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Psychoward said:
To normalize something he doesn't subscribe to?
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We can talk about whether Bernie is a socdem or a demsoc or a Marxist-Lenininst until we're blue in the face but "demsoc"ness, whether in truth or in the label, is evidently the direction of the American left right now and given Bernie's history with being a kind of left pariah in the Senate, he's probably doing what he can to push the cause before he dies.

Anyway he was clearly more radical when he was younger but he's either softened with age or learned to mask it with age. I assume Bernie was a self-identified socialist at some point in his life so adopting the demsoc label now is not a surprise at all.
 

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Pilgrimzero said:
Popular with conservative and popular with conservative politicians is 2 diff things
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Of course, I wouldn't trust scheming little backstabbing fuckers to keep their word. But we've seen some politicians needing to adjust their messaging in their midterms to pro-Obamacare rhetoric because they knew the public opinion was starting to turn.

If the messaging is right he can get conservative voters on board with that specific idea. I'm definitely not in favor of distilling the position in an endless chase for an elusive "middle ground" that the GOP refuses to acknowledge. But with respect to healthcare, I think there actually are policies that appeal to conservative voters who would then turn the screws on the politicians to support. It already happened in the midterms.
 
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chaostrophy said:
What does this even mean? I thought purity tests meant not supporting your party's candidate in the general because they're not pure enough. But this is a primary, ultimately everyone only gets to vote for one candidate, dismissing all the rest until the general. The point is to be selective.
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Yep, a lot of people are showing their ass today
 
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Grug said:
His arm gestures are too damn expressive. Dial it back 40% Beto.
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I would've liked him to take another shot at Cruz's seat, but if he wants to run that's fine. Not sure he was enough experience to get the nomination, but I think he'd make a great addition to any of the current frontrunners as a running mate.
 
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I want to hear more about the policies he's running on before I write him off completely. The vacuous "Believing in Hope for a Better Future Tomorrow, Together" type stuff he's currently putting out there is pretty mind numbing.
 
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intheflorsh said:
I want to hear more about the policies he's running on before I write him off completely. The vacuous "Believing in Hope for a Better Future Tomorrow, Together" type stuff he's currently putting out there is pretty mind numbing.
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Yeah, it's off-putting but I'm willing to hear the details before dismissing him.
 
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Eatin' Olives said:
For expanded healthcare, which is also pretty popular with conservatives? If you CAN get bipartisan support you'd be a fool not to. Context matters, you can't just look at the phrases and automatically think "bad".
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The only thing the Republicans contributed to Obamacare during its creation was to make it worse, their own plan in 2017 was a horrendous piece of garbage, and they thought gutting Obamacare with their tax bill was a good idea. Even one of the specific ideas Beto mentioned, getting certain states to expand Medicare, was something they outright rejected.

They have had over 10 years to prove that they had a single worthwhile thing to give to an improved healthcare system and they have failed at every opportunity. No halfway decent healthcare solution is going to get support from the Republicans, and, in context, Beto's rhetoric ignores that.
 
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Eatin' Olives said:
Looks like people are responding with Pavlovian dislike for the specific "common ground" phrasing in that interview, mistaking it for bothsidesism, even though that's not what it is at all. Especially when you consider Obamacare being proven to actually be really popular with conservative voters and several GOP incumbents running on "we won't touch your pre-existing conditions" despite pushing lawsuits to do exactly that. Hell, a couple of GOP incumbents lost due to the this very thing. There's nothing controversial about talking about "common ground" with respect to healthcare considering expanding Medicare is actually really popular with conservatives. It's not the unspeakable phrase people seem to think it is in this context.
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Here's the deal, Medicare for all is actually really popular with conservatives too. It polls extremely well across the whole country. So why aim for less?
 
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America definitely does not need a centrist like Beto as president, no way should a guy taking donations from oil companies be elected. The best chance to clean up this trump mess is to elect an actual progressive/leftist.
 
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Djkhaled said:
America definitely does not need a centrist like Beto as president, no way should a guy taking donations from oil companies be elected. The best chance to clean up this trump mess is to elect an actual progressive/leftist.
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You may want to read the thread before you blindly propagate the oil company donation lie.
 
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