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Beto O’Rourke Enters the 2020 Presidential Campaign

Oct 28, 2017
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Quick reminder that "liberalism" in the United States is centrism in every other developed nation.

Bernie & co. are left of center.
Most Dems are slightly right of center, with Pelosi, Hillary, and most establishment Dems being further right.

The only reason our overton window is so fucked is because a) Republicans exist and b) our nation is one built on supporting the status quo.

Oh, and before somebody complains about Pelosi being called a centrist again...
I love you and your words.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Quick reminder that "liberalism" in the United States is centrism in every other developed nation.

Bernie & co. are left of center.
Most Dems are slightly right of center, with Pelosi, Hillary, and most establishment Dems being further right.

The only reason our overton window is so fucked is because a) Republicans exist and b) our nation is one built on supporting the status quo.

Oh, and before somebody complains about Pelosi being called a centrist again...
Yup, precisely.
People, I'm sorry if your definition of progressive isn't actually that progressive relatively speaking.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The non-stop "PeLoSi IsN't A cEnTrIsT" clapback when she votes moderately at best and opposes extremely popular socdem policies made me write that up, and while it isn't too relevant in the locality of the US and was more of a kneejerk, I just find it funny that she's so quick to be defended as a leftist when even in America that's hardly true.
Hmmm. We could acknowledge this OR....we can just pretend this never happened. I know my pick.
Eyuuuuup.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Did you read the article? Can you really refute... well... any of it? Beto was a great Senate candidate for Texas. He has no real solutions or plans as of yet, and seems to actively be staying away from the more popular policies that the Democrats are suggesting. His verbiage is reminiscent of Obama, but not in a good way because it evokes... nothing. He can't really answer the question of why he's running and why he thinks he's "the guy" that we need to get the country on track. This is going to be the most important elections in American history, and he really thinks that what we need is another "both sides" and "compromise" kind of guy? FOH with that noise.
I mean, I just watched a town hall where he said we need to do something as soon as possible about climate change, because we're already kinda partially screwed. We need to provide guaranteed healthcare to everyone. We need to provide mental care to everyone, especially drug addicts and decriminalize marijuana. We need to pay educators and proxy workers (administrators, janitors, food services, etc) a living wage and get the minimum wage to $15 by the end of the first term of the new President. Women have the right to choose, period. We need to be strong on trade and make sure we're not getting a bad deal, but at the same time we need to work with our allies instead of going it alone and hurting our farmers, ranchers, etc.

Calling it a campaign for vapid morons is not helping Bernie. "Vapid morons" will continue to move to Beto if that's the road his fans want to go down.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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No, my line of thinking is actually to hone your candidates to fit your district. I just happen to think that Beto has the bet chances of beating Trump in the current climate. You beat Trump at his own game of sucking the media oxygen out of the room. You don't put up a policy wonk against him as that gives him the best chances of winning a second term.
You can also beat Trump at the game of Populism, which really seems to be trending around the world for better or worse.

Lotsa people resonate with "the system sucks" kind of messaging.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Quick reminder that "liberalism" in the United States is centrism in every other developed nation.

Bernie & co. are left of center.
Most Dems are slightly right of center, with Pelosi, Hillary, and most establishment Dems being further right.

The only reason our overton window is so fucked is because a) Republicans exist and b) our nation is one built on supporting the status quo.

Oh, and before somebody complains about Pelosi being called a centrist again...
Thank you for this. It needed to be pointed out.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Calling it a campaign for vapid morons is not helping Bernie. "Vapid morons" will continue to move to Beto if that's the road his fans want to go down.
See, this is a bit irritating because nowhere in my comments did I mention who I support, if anyone. I merely mentioned that I agree with the article for the reasons stated inside. The author supports Sanders (and Warren, but you fail to mention that) and you automatically assumed that I'm calling it a "campaign for vapid morons" because I'm trying to help Bernie. Maybe calling it a "campaign for vapid morons" is a bit too far, Beto absolutely is a candidate for people who don't pay nearly enough attention to the issues we are facing as a nation. Perhaps "willfully ignorant" is better? Maybe he's a candidate for people who don't give a fuck normally and are attracted by Obama speak 2.0. I don't know. In order for him to be a viable candidate in my mind, he's got to answer the question of why he's running. As far as can tell so far, the only reason he's running is because "he's gotta be in there." He doesn't have an answer to that question. Other candidates do.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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This is basically my entire Twitter timeline right now:


I fucking hate him so much

every movement he makes, every intonation of his voice, every gesture by every finger has been put through a thousand focus-groups before it ended up in his repertoire. he's an actor playing the role of an edgy politician ready to be pres. "I was born for this" was in the script

It's all a bit much.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Quick reminder that "liberalism" in the United States is centrism in every other developed nation.

Bernie & co. are left of center.
Most Dems are slightly right of center, with Pelosi, Hillary, and most establishment Dems being further right.

The only reason our overton window is so fucked is because a) Republicans exist and b) our nation is one built on supporting the status quo.

Oh, and before somebody complains about Pelosi being called a centrist again...
It's almost like words such as "left" "right" or "center" are fairly useless as an absolute metric and are only decently useful for comparison within the specific political environment of the place and time, or comparing between two specific countries, time periods, etc...
...or something.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Yeah, I was referring to the title and tenor of the article, not to you. But, this is my impression of Bernie stans...

Beto absolutely is a candidate for people who don't pay nearly enough attention to the issues we are facing as a nation.
Perhaps "willfully ignorant" is better?
Maybe he's a candidate for people who don't give a fuck normally and are attracted by Obama speak 2.0.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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It's almost like words such as "left" "right" or "center" are fairly useless as an absolute metric and are only decently useful for comparison within the specific political environment of the place and time, or comparing between two specific countries, time periods, etc...
...or something.
It's almost like using the "it's almost like" tactic of messaging can be a BS way to deflect the issues and problems of the US...... or something
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, I was referring to the title and tenor of the article, not to you. But, this is my impression of Bernie stans...
If you see the rampant corruption of the GOP, historic income inequality, the dangers of climate change, etc. and really look at the crowd of Democratic candidates at this time, I just don't see how you can look at Beto and go "yeah, he's the guy to tackle this." No fucking way. Definitely not right now. Who knows, maybe that'll change over time. But as of right now? Hell no.
 
Nov 2, 2017
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Adam H. Johnson
@adamjohnsonNYC

Norm Solomon has a good neoliberalism red flag which is rhetoric w/ victims but no victimizers. Bad things just happen, or are a lack of ‘smart’ policy rather than malice. Politicians who don’t have class bad guys are suspect, Beto has no bad guys. Sanders, Warren have bad guys.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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If you see the rampant corruption of the GOP, historic income inequality, the dangers of climate change, etc. and really look at the crowd of Democratic candidates at this time, I just don't see how you can look at Beto and go "yeah, he's the guy to tackle this." No fucking way. Definitely not right now. Who knows, maybe that'll change over time. But as of right now? Hell no.
Personally, I think he's the exact guy. He talks to income inequality, climate change, etc. He's likely to get out the vote more than any of the other candidates, which translates to more House and Senate seats. He also has a style that is almost the antithesis of Trump, and will be in the news almost as much, if not more if he's the nominee. He has Cornyn scared and he's not even running for TX Senate.

But this is what primaries are for. I really like Beto, but I also like Pete, Kamala, and Warren. There's a lot of time for things to change.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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This is basically my entire Twitter timeline right now:


I fucking hate him so much

every movement he makes, every intonation of his voice, every gesture by every finger has been put through a thousand focus-groups before it ended up in his repertoire. he's an actor playing the role of an edgy politician ready to be pres. "I was born for this" was in the script

It's all a bit much.
I follow a lot of rose Twitter accounts, and while most people aren't really feeling him, the commentary hasn't been THIS bad.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I guess people do still like voting a conservative democrat solely for being charismatic and electable...... even though 2018 and 2019 shows that way way better candidates being elected is very very possible but well....... people act like it's still the 2000s.

Or maybe people that support Beto are actually closet Conservatives who vote democrat.
You know how it’s really disingenuous and wrong to pretend everyone on the left that has an issue with Democrats is actually a Russian bot? This shit is just as unhelpful
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Nancy Pelosi is not your ally
Like I said...we can acknowledge that Pelosi can be disappointing in a few regards. The equation for being a progressive should not be one not being progressive in one aspect automatically kills your chances of being a progressive. Just because she isn't an ally in one situation/aspect doesn't mean that she can't be an ally in other situations/aspects.

We should strive for better but you must acknowledge that not everyone will agree with your viewpoint and hold stances different from you.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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This is basically my entire Twitter timeline right now:


I fucking hate him so much

every movement he makes, every intonation of his voice, every gesture by every finger has been put through a thousand focus-groups before it ended up in his repertoire. he's an actor playing the role of an edgy politician ready to be pres. "I was born for this" was in the script

It's all a bit much.
I remember when I was edgy. Most people mature out of it.
 
Like I said...we can acknowledge that Pelosi can be disappointing in a few regards. The equation for being a progressive should not be one not being progressive in one aspect automatically kills your chances of being a progressive. Just because she isn't an ally in one situation/aspect doesn't mean that she can't be an ally in other situations/aspects.

We should strive for better but you must acknowledge that not everyone will agree with your viewpoint and hold stances different from you.
I don't know how taking money from a fascist ethnostate makes you a progressive in any way
 
Jan 22, 2019
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Adam H. Johnson
@adamjohnsonNYC

Norm Solomon has a good neoliberalism red flag which is rhetoric w/ victims but no victimizers. Bad things just happen, or are a lack of ‘smart’ policy rather than malice. Politicians who don’t have class bad guys are suspect, Beto has no bad guys. Sanders, Warren have bad guys.
This is such a great point and something for people to always look out for. Neoliberals adore politics where there are not defined enemies - bad things just happen, just an unfortunate thing that falls from the sky that we need to remedy but never fundamentally alter the structural reasons why those things happen or identify who has an interest in continuing to have those things happen. Bernie and Warren are effective (and not to mention, more importantly, correct) about identifying enemies that need to be mobilized against because they correctly see politics as a struggle of irreconcilable conflicting interests. So far nothing I've seen of Beto indicates that he does. He just says he sees people hurting - but not the people who do the hurting, which should be a major red flag for anyone who thinks he would get anything substantive done.
 
Dec 3, 2018
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Told you..

The reactions are hilarious. Most liberals and left folks like Beto. Some dislike him legitimately for his policies. Then there are the fringe left who act like the alt right when it comes to reason. That’s what I was referring to
 
Aug 27, 2018
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Told you..

The reactions are hilarious. Most liberals and left folks like Beto. Some dislike him legitimately for his policies. Then there are the fringe left who act like the alt right when it comes to reason. That’s what I was referring to
What is "reason" is going to be contingent on whatever ideology you subscribe to. If you come out swinging at leftists, calling them the same as alt-right, you're going to have to actually offer up an explanation as to how, or you're going to be laughed at.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Adam H. Johnson
@adamjohnsonNYC

Norm Solomon has a good neoliberalism red flag which is rhetoric w/ victims but no victimizers. Bad things just happen, or are a lack of ‘smart’ policy rather than malice. Politicians who don’t have class bad guys are suspect, Beto has no bad guys. Sanders, Warren have bad guys.
This is pretty perfect. You don't beat Trump by being better at going on TV, you beat him by offering a credible alternative narrative that explains people's suffering and how to overcome it. You can't do that without identifying a tangible source for the problem. Bernie is still the strongest candidate in this respect, and Beto, from what I've seen, is quite weak.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I've gotta be honest, "I was born to be in it" still has me laughing. I don't think Beto realized how perfectly that sums him up. A white guy with few firm stances who has done nothing important, literally given a Mexican nickname by his father in part to help him win elections in Texas if he ever chose to become a politician.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Question, why was everyone explicitly denying they were going to run before running? That's strange to me. Like if you're not sure, then don't make any explicit statement one way or another, but a bunch of candidates this time around said very clearly they would not under any circumstance run in 2020. That's just bizarre to me.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Jesus Christ Beto sure brings out something out of people, seriously, this is some scary stuff in this thread
What are you scared of?
Question, why was everyone explicitly denying they were going to run before running? That's strange to me. Like if you're not sure, then don't make any explicit statement one way or another, but a bunch of candidates this time around said very clearly they would not under any circumstance run in 2020. That's just bizarre to me.
Honing their ability to lie with a straight face to the American public about what they intend to do and then do a 180 a few months later.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Question, why was everyone explicitly denying they were going to run before running? That's strange to me. Like if you're not sure, then don't make any explicit statement one way or another, but a bunch of candidates this time around said very clearly they would not under any circumstance run in 2020. That's just bizarre to me.
Unlike others, Beto really didn't have any intention of running until after November, he was only running for Senate (and had he won, given the prize of a Dem Texas Senate seat, would have been there for as long as he could hold it basically). Someone like Gillibrand "ruling it out" around then was laughable given she had obviously been preparing for years to run (and what a run it's been so far).
 
Oct 27, 2017
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This is basically my entire Twitter timeline right now:


I fucking hate him so much

every movement he makes, every intonation of his voice, every gesture by every finger has been put through a thousand focus-groups before it ended up in his repertoire. he's an actor playing the role of an edgy politician ready to be pres. "I was born for this" was in the script

It's all a bit much.
So he's a "president actor", as opposed to a crisis actor? That's their schtick now?