So he's a "president actor", as opposed to a crisis actor? That's their schtick now?
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Beto O’Rourke Enters the 2020 Presidential Campaign
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So he's a "president actor", as opposed to a crisis actor? That's their schtick now?
No leftist hates him more than trump, that's ridiculous, there's just something to criticizing someone who you can actually find common ground with. Trump, his fans, and the republican party are a lost cause. Why waste breath on them?
Why set up a strawman like "they're just like the alt right" or "they hate him more than Trump"? Just to deflect?
Or this:
People who don't like my candidate must be Parkland Shooting deniers
That goes a bit beyond not liking the dude right? It's calling him fake basically, that's an accusation.
I agree because I'm a person and that kind of messaging resonates with me.
I find the idea of supporting a primary candidate based on electability instead of who resonates with you personally to be a little odd, and probably counter-productive. If a candidate resonates with you, and you support them because of that, and enough other people do the same for them to get the nomination, why would they be incapable of resonating and inspiring people to vote for them in the general? Given the recent history of the Democratic Party, the greater danger is too many of the primary voting base supporting candidates that are uninspiring but we think are "electable" then they end up not getting elected because they don't resonate with many people. Judging the mood of the nation and picking a candidate to appeal to it is not at all easy.
Saying a politician's personality doesn't seem genuine or you don't believe they are as liberal as others assume they are
vs.
Denying that a school shooting that killed 17 children didn't happen and the survivors are faking it
Yeah, this is a pretty insane comparison, huh? Kind of fucking gross, actually.
So is all the talk about leftists not understanding nuance just wild projection then? Actor = crisis actor? You know one of those is way more of a loaded phrase right?
I love this candidate. Not on the extreme left but still a dem, from my home Texas and has the cariama to bring in voters. Exactly what I want, as opposed to Bernie or Warren
It's an interesting encapsulation of how much people project onto candidates that they like.
The modern "He looks like the kind of guy I could have a beer with" is "He looks like the kind of guy who would play my clit like a swizzle stick and make me cum until I blacked out"
Thanks, twitter
Not an era thread without some people endlessly equating the left with the right via horseshoe theory.
Don't forget to add that we're all socialists and therefore get along. *ignoring national socialism is vastly different from actual socialism/democratic socialism*
Not as much as you think. Your mistake is assuming that because we are ok with compromise that it's the option we're all ok with, when it's more complicated than that. Don't confuse strategy with ideology. Many of us would love for more left leaning bills, but we realise that believing so does not make it an easier to get the bills pass congress.
Not in America, they're not. Leftists don't own every inch of the left political spectrum in the US, thus we're using US centric spectrum. Being slightly more conservative to you is not right wing.
Global comparisons are useful, but with this? It's useless because you're not talking about France or the UK.
You're missing a crucial factor in this equation - the system itself. Something which can't be gone around or obliterated, or the left would have done so decades ago. So we're stuck working within the system and adjusting it to our advantage. It's messy and horrible but without it we have nothing.
First off, it's the Intercept. Second, any congress leader worth their salt will be trying to get all the parties necessary on board within their coalition. Which, for now, involves, insurance companies.
This context ignores how Pelosi is more left than you're painting her.
She's for Single Payer and the Public Option, for example.
Electabilty shouldn't be the only metric to judge a candidate, but it should be a metric. You can love a politician as much you like but if they don't have the ability to get elected your ideals stay dreams, while the other guy's becomes reality. Beto convinced a lot of people he could do this on the national scale against Cruz.
The right seems to have figured out how. How else do you explain stolen Supreme Court positions?
There's a lot more to it than that, but going into details about how the right maintained their power would be off-topic. And it's something the Left, and the Democrats, never achieved.
Thank God wacky arm waving inflatable tube man has come to save us from fascism.
This has to be one of the stupidest fucking tweets I've ever goddamn seen.
This has to be one of the stupidest fucking tweets I've ever goddamn seen.
It's bonkers how much Beto is making some people nervous. I'm getting excited to see how the primary plays out :)
Seriously though, he needs to stop with his hands. But I want him to win. Sanders would have been great but he's just too damn old to be president until 2029.
They see how strong Beto is. It's just like with Kamala when she first announced. They feel threatened and are throwing anything and everything in panic without consideration on how it might be perceived by those outside their group. It's funny that they don't understand their behavior is making friends and influencing people for Beto and that they're not creating any goodwill for candidates they may support.
A meaningless term that pundits use to describe candidates that line up more favorably with themselves, and help distract people away from candidates they might actual have more common ideological ground with. People literally just smash together w/e frankensteinian bits of their preferred candidate look best, and then claim them to be the most electable. It's a "metric" with no actual objective indictors, and skews heavily against minority candidates.
Trump himself was touted as unelectable all the way up until he won. It's best to ignore any claims of it.
What factors determine someone's electability?
What makes someone electable in the context of 2019-2020?
Nope. It is based on real facts, and while it's not guaranteed (nothing is in soft sciences) it's not like it's impossible to tell who the the weakest candidates are. This is open to change, as well. A weaker candidate who started off obscure can alter their possibilities by having a winning campaign.
This was, and sometimes still, continues to be a problem, but times have changed. Barack Obama won the presidency, and Kamala Harris has been among the top contenders this year.
And how they run their campaigns. Polls can help with snapshots, as well.
edit: Someone being a front runner, or not, can be a good measurement. If they lose it, of course, someone else has better electability.
So electability is stand on issues, charisma and campaigning?
And not being an old Jew from Vermont. That's a biggy. It can even negate all three of those, it's such a big factor.
They're not the same thing - it's a complete picture of a candidate from numerous angles.
They're a big part of it, yeah.
Part of doing that is candidates convincing voters they can beat Trump in the general.
"Electability" is the most bullshit thing ever emerging from political discourse in American politics. It's does nothing for voters except tell them that they should only care about their "team" winning rather than the values they have and policies they will implement once they do. Anyone who is still overly invested in """electability""" of candidates after Donald fucking Trump won the presidency all the while the media labeled him "unelectable" since he started his campaign is a fool. Electability is nothing more than gatekeeping
People have settled down, a few months back it was worse than the Bernie reaction. Bernie didn't have multiple threads attacking him via political operatives within weeks, going all out. He got, like, one - and that was when he announced.
David Sirota and other Left journalists who tried to sink Beto.
You think the Left don't have political operatives? They even have think tanks now!
https://www.sandersinstitute.com
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