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Biden Takes Advantage of Tory Sweep, "Look at what happens when the Labour party moves so so far to the left."
- Thread starter BADMAN
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Not really they did really well in the EU elections earlier this year.
No more children in cages, no more Trump and McConnell stacking the courts with Conservative judges, no more the federal government trying to destroy Obama Care, no more Muslim bans, no more Ajit Pai trying to destroy Net Neutrality.
You're right: nothing!
Bipartisan Biden that gives the right whatever they want? And now we're going to act like Biden is going to be a champion on immigration when that was the most disgusting thing under the whole Obama administration. Yeah I stand by what I say. You'll get jack shit under a Biden presidency. But winning is all that matters so who cares?
Word. I usually think that strategy is actually counter-effective. Like if you have to shame arguably disaffected people into being structurally essential to your supposedly winning strategy out of a mere and utterly abstract political duty maybe that's actually an admission that you've already lost and this electoralism thing just isn't working out or needs to be fundamentally rethought and it's actually better to realize that sooner rather than later. Idk.
It certainly does seem like Dual Power is the only real solution.
So because Biden is running on a message of unification, which he smartly calculated is what the majority of the electorate (you know, outside the echo chamber) wants to hear, then that means he's going to give Republicans everything they want? How can you people be this naive?
Ah okay, so we might as well just concede the next election to the Republicans. Nevermind the fact that ending family separation, stopping Republicans from gutting Obamacare, and getting people like Betsy Devos and Ajit Pai out of the executive would result in very real and very tangible improvements in millions of people's lives.
And stopping Republicans from repealing Roe v. Wade and implementing ever restrictive laws against abortion? DON'T CARE! Full communism or bust!
No I don't go by corny campaign slogans or messages. I go by their track record and policy.
You should do the same.
Obviously a decision between faster regression and slower regression favors the latter, but that's not a decision that anyone wants to have and I think it's natural or human to have a somewhat nihilistic reaction to it considering that under our current historical circumstances we actually need positive action and cutting out some of the rot and slowing the decay down a bit isn't nearly enough for people feeling a bit spooked by legitimate existential crisis imo, which maybe has a degree of inherent emotionality or drama to it (as it should) but that's also why I think if you can't really respond to that then you're not really speaking to their concerns but idk.
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Pick your poison. The political machine feeds off of chaos like it was design to do. The more chaos, the stronger the machine grows to shield the haves and keep the have nots fighting amongst one another.
You know, maybe so honestly if the pick is Biden. A Biden win gets very little accomplished and just stems the bleeding. Without significant changes, the next president will be a Republican who will simply continue on the status quo. Its time we actually elect a Democrat who is going to fight 100% to change and fix these systems and not one who simply wants to stop what R's are doing.
That does not mean to not vote down ballot Democrats, and possibly still retake the Senate.. which will ultimately neuter Trump from doing anything meaningful.
Part of me thinks that it needs to get so bad, much worse then it currently is, for America to actually wake up and want significant change to what is a broken election system, a broken economic system, a broken immigration system, a broken health care system, etc. (What in America *isnt broken* and has been for decades at this point?)
Perhaps if Trump gets reelected and does the things you think he might (and odds are will do) it will be enough so that public support for massive changes to all of our broken system hits a critical mass point where both parties would be insane to block or hinder such legislation.
Blow the whole system up and something better will arise from the ashes! When did I hear that before?
I mean, it worked did it not?
Look at what the R's have accomplished. They almost had a 3/4th state majority to enact radical constitutional changes. They held every branch of government. They held a majority of state legislatures. They made a single mistake.. electing Trump. If a normal R had been elected, there would have been no blue wave to wash away the gains and we would likely be discussing a constitutional convention to enact radical changes that would make the Koch brothers jizz all year.
This all stemmed originally from a rebellion inside of the Republican party, which led to the Tea Party. (even if it was funded via outside sources, those who voted for them felt that they needed people to just blow it all up)
Do any of you even remember the state that this country was in when Barack "I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman" Obama took office?
Look, I know engaging in revisionism of Obama's legacy is the cool thing to do nowadays--and in some respects, Obama *was* a big disappointment--but can we try to get a little perspective for where we are now with respect to certain issues compared to where we were just 10 years ago?
On Obama's first day in office,
- Recreational marijuana is illegal in all 50 states.
- The US had over 180,000 troops deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
- Same-sex marriage is recognized in just three states (Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Iowa).
- Proposition 8, amending California's State Constitution to define marriage as the union between a man and a woman, passed just 2 months prior.
- The Defense of Marriage Act is the law of the land.
- Don't Ask, Don't Tell is the military's official policy on service by LGB individuals.
- Just 17% of Americans identify as irreligious (as opposed to 26% in 2019).
- 77% of Americans identified as Christian (in 2019, that number's down to 65%).
- Keith Ellison is the first and sole Muslim congressman.
- 220 detainees were held in Guantánamo Bay (down to 40 in 2019)
- "Enhanced interrogation techniques" on Guantánamo Bay detainees and at other CIA black sites had not yet been disallowed.
- 16.7% of all Americans did not have health insurance (down to 11% in 2019).
- Incarceration rates in the US are the highest they've ever been.
Which is to say, none of us can possibly know how much progress we might see for any of the headlining issues of today, even under a Biden presidency. And to say that no tangible progress has ever been made or could ever possibly be made even under a centrist Democrat is myopic, ignorant, and just plain insulting to all the people who for decades had fought like hell to see some of the progress that was made under Obama's presidency.
Notice that at no point did the strategy involve ceding ground to the opposition party. The rise of the Tea Party coincided with one of the most disastrous midterm election losses for Democrats in modern history. Justice Democrats have had nowhere near the same success. What some of you are advocating for is to cede all levers of government over to the Republicans and hope and pray that when the pendulum swings in the other direction, it'll be enough to enact everything we want. Never mind the fact that it gets exponentially harder to reverse what the opposition party did the longer they're in power. The 2010 midterms is the reason we're even in this mess in the first place. It's unlikely that any election will ever be as consequential in terms of shifting power dynamics as 2010 was.
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Biden already got banned by Harry Reid in the past for giving Republicans everything they want lol. It has been reported thrice that Obama does not want Joe to run. Biden will be a shit president but at least he's not Trump is the bar. We're at the "D+ is a passing grade bro!" stage.
LOL Joe might fuck around and call him an Uncle Tom on live TV.
Daily reminder that when Biden was asked why he should be trusted on immigration after the Obama era, he angrily told them to vote Trump
This man has had nothing but nice things to say about Republicans and his criticisms of Trump only go as deep as "he's a dick" or "he's an idiot". To act like Trump is the only person doing bad things and that Biden will fix everything is painfully naive
I appreciate I'm about 600 posts behind but this is a lot to do with how shit FPTP is. The Lib Dems got about 4x fewer votes than the Tories but that translated in to over 30x fewer seats.
Andrew Gillum won the democrat nomination for Governor of Florida while he polled 4th and was endorsed by Bernie Sanders. What let him to lose is the racist campaign DeSantis lead and both sides responded to the dog whistle. And Florida being part of the South, the racist voted for the racist.
Bernie had no chance against Hillary since he was an unknown. With the bulk of the Democratic party, there was no need to look for anyone with Hillary around. Considering how the landscape has changed and many have adopted Bernie's policies, I would say the Democratic party has shown he's not too much or too far left.
Like most things in politics, name recognition dominates.
And old people fucking suck at voting.
Bernie just got a brand new baboon heart put in. Bring on the pushup contests
I seriously hope that what Joe Biden's doing is all just an act in order to gain a lot of votes & then switch to being progressive once he's officially sworn in as President.
I'd abandon that hope. Joe doesn't have that degree of depth or intrigue lol.
Gillum got less votes than Bill Nelson the "centrist" Democrat that many said lack the enthusiasm to excite the base party like Gillum. Gillum also make an odd choice for LT Governor that did not help him with any demographic, while De santis was smarter in his pick.
Gillum is another example that excite the base is not enough to win a highly contested election.
I remember people saying the exact same thing about Trump.
Wrong.
The single and only reason Gillum lost was the FBI investigating him. From DeSantis consistently hammering home that he was a corrupt mayor, to the damming commercials released when the hurricane hit, to a inside member of Gillum's campaign who seemed hell bent on ruining Gillum's career on election day... it was all over.
Its amazing these hot takes which have absolutely zero bearing on what actually happened.
They were like 56 seats behind the tories in that election. The problem with the 2019 labour campaign was that messaging was too convoluted and the shine wore off of corbyn.