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Big Brain Time: Is Trump’s presidency worth it if we get Bernie in 2020 instead of Hillary’s hypothetical 2nd term?
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If I had to guess, Republicans holding onto the Senate would result in them pulling the same shit with Hillary as they did with Obama, and it would work. Non-stop investigations into her e-mails, blocking her on everything, governments shutdowns, and maybe even impeachment. And 2018 was a horrible Senate map. Republicans gained 2 seats despite the blue wave. With President Hillary, Republicans would probably hold onto the House and have near to or an actual supermajority in the Senate.
Even with a Senate Majority, the filibuster isn't likely to get nuked, and even if it does he won't be able to get 50 votes for single payer or massive immigration reform. He has some really unpopular positions while are going to be impossible to build coalitions over.
Well yeah, the whole thread is hypothetical, it's just what I imagined would've happened.
No.
Jimmy Dore is wrong. He argued this shit.
Trump has done damage to our institutions, the Presidency, our judiciary, and vulnerable populations.
Maybe Dems rest on their feet and aren't as engaged under an HRC presidency. Maybe.
Republicans being in power is never a better scenario.
Jimmy Dore is wrong. He argued this shit.
Trump has done damage to our institutions, the Presidency, our judiciary, and vulnerable populations.
Maybe Dems rest on their feet and aren't as engaged under an HRC presidency. Maybe.
Republicans being in power is never a better scenario.
Not saying this doesn't deserve to be discussed, but this is a really pointless hypothetical imo. Theres no way we could ever know how a Hillary presidency would have turned out but the only way she could have done worse than Trump is if she accidentally nuked America
Must be nice to sit around and philosophize about presidential terms like they're parts of a zero-sum game when Trump's policies have no impact in your life.
It's not worth blurring the lines IMO, Trump is an icon of hate. I prefer not to hear any "necessary evil" logic. In 2016 on a old forum... I saw some fools say something like "Trump is an anvil, whereas Hilary will stab you in the back" to justify voting for Trump. Or we needs to challange the status quo, some people can't just say they support his racism, they're cowards.
No, whoever comes after Trump will spend most of their time trying to undo the damage Trump has done, not implementing their own policy.
The fuck is wrong with you. Children are dying in prison camps on US soil. Who knows how many needless deaths in the middle east. Civil rights have been set back decades and the supreme court is lost for a generation.
This shit is why people hate Bernie supporters.
This shit is why people hate Bernie supporters.
...what??
This. These kinda questions and statements reek of uninformed privilege.
Had he lost in 2016, IMO he'd probably be cashing in on the support of his base through InfoWars-style TV/radio programming trolling Clinton.
Absolutely not. The amount of damage he has done will take so many years and presidencies to fix. Just the judiciary alone is super fucked.
Op, this is the opposite of a big brain question. Jesus. People have died, our environment is getting fucked, kids are in cages, families have been broken up forever, a shit ton of judges including two Supreme Court picks, and Trump is edging us towards World War III. NOTHING IS WORTH THAT.
Thankfully it seems like the number is incredibly small.
If anyone thinks this, then I honestly have a serious problem with them on every single conceivable level. You are worse for America than an average Trump supporter which I would have guessed was impossible.
"Worth it" would be impossible to measure until well after Bernie's terms end.
If the U.S. ends up with insane reforms that were extremely unlikely to happen under a theoretical Hilary government then...maybe? Bernie would have to make huge sweeping changes somehow, though.
If the U.S. ends up with insane reforms that were extremely unlikely to happen under a theoretical Hilary government then...maybe? Bernie would have to make huge sweeping changes somehow, though.
Better than Trump's presidency, that's for damn sure.
But I also hate this galaxy brain speculation. I mean if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, are people going to start with "well a second Trump term will be bad, but if it turns into AOC winning 2024, it will all be worth it"?
Yeah...okay with children dying in cages, and all the other bullshit that happens...for their guy to get into the oval office.
How do you have a reasonable conversation when that is their stance.
take it one MORE STEP
what if Bernie Sanders chooses Squirtle as VP
then in 2022 Bernie Sanders retires like the two popes thing
THEN A POKEMON IS PRESIDENT
did i blow your mind
what if Bernie Sanders chooses Squirtle as VP
then in 2022 Bernie Sanders retires like the two popes thing
THEN A POKEMON IS PRESIDENT
did i blow your mind
No, it emboldened the worst toxic traits of the right. After winning the presidency, Trump legitimized that brand of right-wing thinking that will be around long after he is gone. I don't know if anyone else has the ability to wield the cult of personality like he does, but people will be aping his style for a long time.
We have no idea how how good a president Bernie would be Hillary for that matter. We do know how shitty trump is so no it wouldn't be worth it.
You know that is going to be a topic. and will be supported by some I'm sure.
No. I'm not going to tell the parents of the kids who have died in cages in completely unacceptable and avoidable circumstances that their suffering is somehow offset by a specific President.
But it'll be a nice silver lining.
But it'll be a nice silver lining.
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