His interviews, attitude and his panel dont change how unlikable his personality is to me.
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Billy Mitchell Cracks a Confirmed 1,000,000 on DK (Update, twice)
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That's a lie. He unquestionably cheated. You should look into it again.
He submitted videos of mame gameplay and claimed they were legit. That's cheating.
The steps to redemption usually include some sort of confession and acceptance of your own "sins".
It's always the same with these kind of guys... if he was like "yes, it's true, I cheated...I'm sorry... but I want to show you I can do it for real" and proceeds to crack the score, I'm sure most people would be much nicer towards him. It's the "There are mountains of evidence against me, but you're all wrong, I'm the best"-attitude that pisses people off.
The difference between the level of skill required to get 1m and the level of skill required to get 1.2 are so vast that he is no where near getting close to it, and he knows it
He said he would get 1m because that was the score he has been accused of cheating to get, and then he would stop playing, even if he could get more "because I'm Billy Mitchell"
That is the most Billy Mitchell thing I've ever heard.
Just found this on his twitter:
He really is a super-villain in the video game world.
On his insane, hour long, Road to Redemption panel (it's on YT) he drops that "because I'm Billy Mitchell, that's why" line, to rapturous applause
He also says he has no social media, and all accounts in his name are fake, but who knows with Billy
Ha! But to be fair, the internet does NOT forgive, but I believe people deserve a second chance.
Is it called a "road to redemption door" because he is going door to door? Would be mind bottling if he stopped by my house.
To be fair, although I doubt he'd be challenging for the record any more, the dying on purpose thing is something he's always done, and has always seemed a little weird.
*knock knock*
"Who are you?"
"I'm a good at video games guy, I swear"
You know what would be even more impressive? Not lying to yourself (and others); accept the challenge of confronting your shortcomings and missteps and learn something about yourself in the process.
1 million on Donkey Kong? So what.
Being honest with yourself? Now that is hard. That is the path to redemption.
1 million on Donkey Kong? So what.
Being honest with yourself? Now that is hard. That is the path to redemption.
For me the issue wasn't about whether he was capable of getting to 1M in DK, he's played in public plenty of times enough that his skills were known. Congrats to him for doing it on a live stream but that doesn't take away from the fact that his prior actions hurt the integrity of the competition and Twin Galaxies' record keeping. People saying that this is redemption makes me wonder if they understood the issues to begin with.
I'm not excusing Billy Mitchell's cheating, but Twin Galaxies' record keeping damaged the integrity of Twin Galaxies' record keeping. The cheating revelations just exposed it, probably to the benefit of the community as a whole. Holding the records of certain individuals to far less scrutiny than everyone else's is not the way to run a record keeping organisation.
People take cheating in a video game way too seriously sometimes, hahahaha.
He is still a better player than any of us would hope to be at the game.
He is still a better player than any of us would hope to be at the game.
I'm all for banning his scores, but to say he doesn't know how play the game is ridiculous.
If he wants to break the WR live knowing it will never be "official" then more power to him. Greatest heel is gaming history.
If he wants to break the WR live knowing it will never be "official" then more power to him. Greatest heel is gaming history.
oh the mental gymnastics. pretty sure it was confirmed he was being shady.
How the hell do you cheat at Donkey Kong? Like Game Genie cheat codes or he was messing with the programming of the game?
I used to be hardcore in to DK and down the rabbit hole....with all this Billy Mitchell stuff and now with DK on Switch I find myself falling back down it lol.
Never doubted he could hit 1 mil. which makes his cheating all the more baffling...
Never doubted he could hit 1 mil. which makes his cheating all the more baffling...
Oh I am going to be super pro billy Mitchell now! It's just way too silly not to.
Mitchel Kong master!
it's like this post was scientifically designed to generate maximum eyeroll.
yes. it was proven without a shadow of a doubt that he cheated before this discussion even began on gaming forums like this one. The MAME proof is what restarted this whole conversation.
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I never understand the mentality of judging someone you've most likely never met or known, and castigating them with such full ire in a relentless way. I guess it makes a person's ego feel good and buffed up, to state how this person is amoral, much unlike yourself.
If he's pulling this off multiple times, good on him! I can't even get past the first screen most attempts...
If he's pulling this off multiple times, good on him! I can't even get past the first screen most attempts...
He benefited from a rules change the day before that only he knew about.
everyone gets that this is a work except for the people itt who are in billy's corner for whatever weird reason
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No one can doubt, he is fuckin great. Not only great at Donkey Kong by the way, man is a genius at arcade video games.
But the guy has cheated. We are in our right to be unhappy. The guy is a fuckin genius, he doesn't need to cheat, but he did.
Everytime I see a BIlly Mitchell video—or really any perfect game played by anyone—I think of Parzival in Ready Player One and how implausible that shit is.
He doesn't need to admit anything if he ever breaks the record live. This isn't the olympics or a mainstream sport.
Yes, use google.
For example, to check the Twin Galaxies report here:
https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_d...s-donkey-kong-and-all-other-records-removed/4
I keep hearing how he used save states, or tampered with the footage to include gameplay from more than one session, to achieve his score, among other things.
People should read the report that resulted in his banning, so see what the actual "cheating" was.
He submitted footage that, according to Twin Galaxies findings, wasn't generated in unmodified hardware.
There's a high chance the footage was from a machine running MAME, but that wasn't proven, because that wasn't part of the scope of the inquiry.
Since that leaderboard was for games done on unmodified hardware, and their conclusion was that the machine he used wasn't one, his scores were removed.
There were no claims of the use of save states, nor image tampering. I don't think anyone even accused him of doing so.
What the image showed, is that board transitions on MAME are rendered differently than on an unmodified arcade, and the ones on his footage closely resemble the ones from MAME.
Nothing on the footage he submitted shows him using any kind of advantage, or nothing out of the ordinary in terms of gameplay, outside of what I mentioned above.
He is guilty of playing (knowingly or not) on a machine that wasn't an original cab, or unmodified hardware.
Nothing more.
As usual, all people take from these reports is the word "cheat", and come up with all kinds of ridiculous allegations that aren't part of the actual report that resulted in his punishment.
He didn't cheat because he was incapable of getting 1 mil, he probably cheated because he wanted to get 1 mil before Steve Wiebe did.
You don't know DK like Billy does and "accidentally" play on a fucking MAME version
The issue is that he passed MAME off as OG hardware, and because of that he could well have been using save states or anything else to give him an advantage, there wasn't anyone there to confirm the build he was using or the machine he was playing on, and the fact he recorded dodgy looking footage with no audio (audio differences are a give away that you're playing on MAME) suggests he full well knew what he was doing
Maybe he didn't cheat and got legit scores on MAME, the problem is there is no way to tell if he got those scores legitimately or not
The fact he lied about playing on MAME, and to this day claims to have never played the game on MAME before, suggests there is probably something dodgy going on
The Twin Galaxies report is hardly an exhaustive document of the evidence. It's as nice to Billy as it could possibly be while still acknowledging that he cheated. There's ample evidence that his videos were more than just legitimate games played on an emulator. He used a suspiciously risky playstyle and the distribution of pseudorandom point gains is well above what can be expected from normal play.
There's also the fact that his videos conveniently lack audio, which is the easiest way to tell if a video has been spliced.
Which, to be clear, RNG is RNG. Sometimes you get the good rolls. But when you are having incredibly, unusually great luck in combination with lying over using emulation, stands out like a sore thumb as suspicious as all hell.
