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BioWare planning to make more live service games after Anthem
- Thread starter Nirolak
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What backlash against Destiny?
Oh, you mean the tempest-in-a-teapot that only existed on enthusiast sites that are completely irrelevant to the industry at large.
Assuming they survive making the Anthem that EA wants.
Don't forget Larian. IMO, they're what BioWare should have become. Divinity OS2 is the best CRPG I played since Baldur's Gate II.
Don't forget Larian. IMO, they're what BioWare should have become. Divinity OS2 is the best CRPG I played since Baldur's Gate II.
We could be getting KotOR, Dragon Age, Jade Empire, a decent Mass Effect game, but instead a grindy genre based off addiction and not player fun.
Hopefully Playground emerges as a bonafide western RPG dev to balance the death of Bioware.
Hopefully Playground emerges as a bonafide western RPG dev to balance the death of Bioware.
Dragon Age: Inquisition was our last Bioware game. Whoever made Andromeda, it wasn't any Bioware we know.
They should at least wait for Anthem to bomb before they start thinking about more of these things.
I really hope papa ea doesn't do to bioware what they did to so many studios previously...hell papa ea should step back and just let them make great games, and not force monetezation bull crap in there.
What goes on in these boardrooms?
People online complaining about Division being too much like Destiny.
People in game complaining about Destiny.
People on forums complaining about Destiny.
People on Youtube complaining about Destiny.
Bungie trying to keep good faith and struggling.
Suits in the EA boardroom: "Let's make a game like Destiny."
People online complaining about Division being too much like Destiny.
People in game complaining about Destiny.
People on forums complaining about Destiny.
People on Youtube complaining about Destiny.
Bungie trying to keep good faith and struggling.
Suits in the EA boardroom: "Let's make a game like Destiny."
To this day, I haven't even played either Destiny game. I was interested after the initial reveal because it seemed like a cool-ass sci-fi story. But then when they introduced all these MMO elements, I was like nah, I'm out.
It's a shame what they are doing to Bioware. It's not like it was unexpected though, I mean they showed it with Westworld, Bullfrog, Origin, Maxis, etc.
Why can't games just be games? Like just games you pay 59.99 for and get the full experience with nothing locked or walled off, like games used to be.
Hasn't the backlash against Destiny or the positive support of companies like Cd Projekt Red showed the industry anything?
Yeah look at the failures that are Overwatch, Rainbox Six Siege, Fortnite, PUBG, etc etc. Hasn't the industry learned what people want by now? They want single player experiences without additional content.
Wait The Witcher 3 has a ton of additional content...
They are moving to a new building pretty soon which I imagine might also bring with it some level of expansion but as it stands there's only 2 teams in Edmonton. One is working on Anthem and the other is working on ????? but... you know it's the portion of the office that was working on dragon age titles. Also with Anthem being in what I can assume are the waning months of development the entire place might be attempting to ship it first. A few key team members left the non anthem side of things which always says to me that whatever game was being made was going in a direction they disagreed with... or just straight up cancelled ?
I agree. Hopefully Destiny 3 won't be a complete trainwreck if Anthem can turn up the heat. I'd love to see more competition in the genre though, regardless.
I'm pretty sure they're saying something along the lines of what content is provided and the monetisation of said content.
A Witcher 3 DLC is vastly different from an Overwatch map or a skin.
When the Witcher 3 Blood and Wine was out my buddy grabbed it for 10$. Another friend bought a Destiny emote for 10$. One enjoyed 30+ hours of content, in a new environment with amazing stories. The other one did a dance and teabagged in PvP and got bored after a day.
Probably a failed mainline title per studio then working on lacklustre DLC for other titles or underperforming spin-offs of battlefield after core staff have long gone.
If we're following Visceral...
Throwing the Witcher 3 in there is a bit rich don't you think?
Yes the Witcher 3 has a ton of additional content.
It had 16 DLC's initially, 16 dlc's that were given for free to every-single-person that bought the game.
Then after the game was out for a bit they dropped an expansion, Hearts of Stone, that added over 14 hours of new gameplay for a whopping $10 that included all new new quests/monsters/gear.
Then about 6 months later they dropped the next expansion, Blood and Wine, that added around 28 hours of new gameplay and quests/gear/monsters, for $20.
Or you could buy both together for a whole $25.
So roughly 40+ hours of new content for $25 bucks, how does that compare to nickel and diming dlc and microtransactions that wall off content or that affect the single player game to drive you toward purchasing dlc items?
There is a huge difference between post-game expansions that offer a lot of content vs lootboxes and microtransactions with the game designed to push players to buying said items.
I cracked and rented D2 because my friend kept bugging me.
If you're into those games, more power to you, but I couldn't stand it for more than a week.
Strangely, I loved The Division. Maybe it was the setting.
I had a good time with the Division too. At launch, and recently with the big update. Though both occasions, I eventually got bored. But that's bound to happen. I do very much like the premise and hope they make a sequel.
Yeah there's a huge difference between a constant stream of new characters, emotes, maps, weapons, etc that these games get. Depending on the game all that stuff can be totally free. You're not comparing the DLC to one thing because they're two different business models.
Yeah, that probably would have been a better direction for Andromeda honestly. Have a bunch of worlds to explore and colonize and include regular updates to add characters, story missions, new species, etc.
Even if it had been as buggy and suck as much Andromeda did at launch, if they'd given the game a subscription (or some other monetization method) they could have still had some wiggle room to save it with a few content updates and additional bug fixes.
I still have the tiniest glimmer of hope that Dragon Age 4 might still be well made.
I replayed Inquisition recently (after beating Andromeda) since I had only played it once (without DLC) and I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it. Granted I skipped a lot of the optional side quests, and I did download a mod to remove the wait timers on those table missions.
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So they are looking for someone who knows how to screw people in the ass with microtransactions. How nice.
It's a shame what they are doing to Bioware. It's not like it was unexpected though, I mean they showed it with Westworld, Bullfrog, Origin, Maxis, etc.
Why can't games just be games? Like just games you pay 59.99 for and get the full experience with nothing locked or walled off, like games used to be.
Hasn't the backlash against Destiny or the positive support of companies like Cd Projekt Red showed the industry anything?
Ask Activision Blizzard, Take Two or even EA if they prefer this model or CDProject model when they have results much better than them.
Yeah, they got a big one. They probably are going to change their strategy for non-sports games after this or at least no put it in a big franchise like Star Wars. But about the sales of the game and seeing it's position in the NPD, it probably sold very well. But that's a thing that we'll know when they have thei earnings released.
Unlike Bungie, an EA studio with the BioWare brand attached to it actually has experience developing and sustaining a long-running MMO. That alone should earn them at least 1 faith over a studio that keeps designing their "shared worlds" as if they were standalone linear campaigns.
Correct me if iI'm wrong but I thought Destiny 2 sold a fk ton, even more than Destiny 1, despite the backlash in the internet. Also Overwatch and PUBG are considered service game, no ?
"live" is in that excerpt so much i wonder why are all the games dead that they need someone to make sure they "live"
11 months just to do a fake out of the meme
how long after anthem?
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Well, let's go look at NPD for a second:
You might notice a trend.
You mean the mmo that flopped hard and went f2p with lootboxes?
Or the mmo that was restructured and went f2p because the storylines were broken?
Wait, thats the same EA mmo
Live service or GAAS is not necessarily evil, if it's done right it can be fantastic. I mean, Destiny could have been incredible if only it delivered on its initial concepts and scope, so no reason to dismiss their future games by default. But Anthem will be their showing in this genre, if they fail that there'll be a lot of people who won't join next time around.
