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Black men are 15 times more likely to be murdered by guns, white men 3x to commit suicide by guns.

Inugami

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https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/04/23/health/gun-deaths-in-men-by-state-study/index.html

(CNN) — America's gun violence problem is evident nationwide, but a new study reveals that how different groups of people across the country experience such violence can vary dramatically, depending upon who they are and where they live.
The research, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine on Monday, measures drastic differences in how black and white men experience fatal gun violence in the United States.
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The researchers computed the average annual death rate among the men according to race, intent (such as homicide or suicide) and firearm involvement. They also calculated any inequalities in those age-adjusted rates between the two groups. In total, their analysis included 84,113 homicides and 251,772 suicides.
Compared with white men, the researchers found that black men experienced 27 more firearm homicides per 100,000 people annually nationwide (29.12 for black men vs. 2.1 for white men). The states with the highest rates of firearm homicide among black men in the data -- namely Missouri, Michigan, Illinois and Indiana -- also had the largest disparities between blacks and whites, the researchers found.
Suicide rates were found to be higher among white men than black men. Compared with black men, the researchers found that white men had nine more firearm suicides per 100,000 people annually nationwide (5.41 for black men vs. 14.34 for white men).
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Some studies have found that black and white Americans hold opposing attitudes about gun ownership and knowing someone who has been harmed by guns.
A Pew Research Center report published last year found that 48% of white men say they currently own a gun, compared with 24% each of white women and non-white men, and only 16% of non-white women.
According to that report, 57% of black adults said they knew someone who has been shot, compared with 43% of whites and 42% of Hispanics. Also, the report found that 32% of blacks said they or someone in their family had been threatened or intimated by someone with a gun, compared with 20% of whites and 24% of Hispanics.
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The study is based on death certificates issued between 08 and 16. Because of that there are some limitations (study didn't show non fatal gun violence or what committed the gun violence in the murders).

The study also stated there is a large variation on these numbers by state.

The states with the highest rates of firearm homicide among black men in the data -- namely Missouri, Michigan, Illinois and Indiana -- also had the largest disparities between blacks and whites, the researchers found.
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The disparities on gun murders is absolutely staggering and disgusting.
 
Soj

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Sounds like everybody might be a lot better off without all these guns.
 
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Interesting what you can do with a flexible definition of "mass public shootings"
 
jwk94

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As an Indiana resident, pray for me y'all. That disparity between blacks and whites doesn't surprise me though. I'm always shocked when I see multiple black people outside of black or non-white neighborhoods
 
Beartruck

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Suicide being way higher for white men makes sense. Only thing that really brings us down is the self hate(obesity, cardiac, suicide).
 
DigitalOp

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The problem with banning guns is that it doesn't ban guns.

You just get people who give up arms and people who smuggle bylaws and hold arms. Now it's totally imbalanced on who is holding. Even after this was somehow enforced nonviolently without tons of people catching slugs..

Now you have to ask American Law Enforcement to turn in their arms.

It won't happen. America has created it's bed, it must own it. Sensible gun reform is obvious. Banning guns isn't impossible, but guns are the story of America.

America was founded on guns.
 
ShortNasty

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DigitalOp said:
The problem with banning guns is that it doesn't ban guns.

You just get people who give up arms and people who smuggle bylaws and hold arms. Now it's totally imbalanced on who is holding. Even after this was somehow enforced nonviolently without tons of people catching slugs..

Now you have to ask American Law Enforcement to turn in their arms.

It won't happen. America has created it's bed, it must own it. Sensible gun reform is obvious. Banning guns isn't impossible, but guns are the story of America.

America was founded on guns.
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It will probably take a generation or so of people being born post-ban for the change to really lock in. We have zero reason to not try it.
 
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Inugami

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DigitalOp said:
The problem with banning guns is that it doesn't ban guns.

You just get people who give up arms and people who smuggle bylaws and hold arms. Now it's totally imbalanced on who is holding. Even after this was somehow enforced nonviolently without tons of people catching slugs..

Now you have to ask American Law Enforcement to turn in their arms.

It won't happen. America has created it's bed, it must own it. Sensible gun reform is obvious. Banning guns isn't impossible, but guns are the story of America.

America was founded on guns.
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Overnight? Definitely not. But over the course of a generation or two? We definitely could if we started with something.

The main problem is that the gun industry is too embedded with the government itself. Arms manufacturers are huge lobbying groups in and of themselves, but then there are outside entities like the NRA which have confirmed they are taking Russian money (but not using it for political purposes! You can trust us!!!). A 2 am raid on the NRAs offices would probably net huge amounts of evidence as far as that goes.

I mean, they have their own entire propaganda network all to themselves in NRA TV.
 
ShortNasty

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Zornack said:
What's the point of talking about a gun ban? The government is controlled by republicans and even a majority of democrats would be against it. It's less likely to happen than the right's dream of banning abortions.
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Very simply put: Things can change. So, you work and advocate for the change you want.
 
Angelus Errare

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Commedieu said:
Why do you have to bring guns into this?
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Damn Liburds gonna take our guns! The Terannical gubment might turn on us one day so we needs these guns to defend ourselves from our hilariously huge military whose budget it $700m, and we swear is the greatest in the world. We will easily stop them with our AR15s! If the gubment ever turned ranicul we'll definitely sit aside our jingoistic military and police worship and stop them! Just like we did during the Japanese internment camps...!!
 
TheMadTitan

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ShortNasty said:
It will probably take a generation or so of people being born post-ban for the change to really lock in. We have zero reason to not try it.
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You don't need to ban guns, you need to reform the culture around the way they treat guns. Change the way people view guns, the less people who will end up buying guns.

Couple that with common sense stuff like expanded background checks, credit checks on newbie and infrequent weapon buyers, limits on people being able to travel the country to amass an armory, closing the gunshow loophole, and gun ownership being limited to 21 (and 25 for rifles [or handguns]), it would take care of everything without telling everyone in the country that they can't buy something.
 
ShortNasty

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Ultryx said:
This is the attitude that I'm starting to believe will bite democrats in the ass during the midterms.
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What attitude is that? What attitude are you reading from my post?
TheMadTitan said:
You don't need to ban guns, you need to reform the culture around the way they treat guns. Change the way people view guns, the less people who will end up buying guns.

Couple that with common sense stuff like expanded background checks, credit checks on newbie and infrequent weapon buyers, limits on people being able to travel the country to amass an armory, closing the gunshow loophole, and gun ownership being limited to 21 (and 25 for rifles [or handguns]), it would take care of everything without telling everyone in the country that they can't buy something.
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Or. Ban guns. All of those things you've mentioned can be stops on the roads towards a full out ban.
 
loquaciousJenny

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Zornack said:
Talking about banning guns is no different than talking about banning abortions. Both are constitutional rights that won't be taken away.
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First of all you'll need to explain to the current ruling party that abortions are somehow a constitutional right, secondly fuck the constitution it's literally hot garbage and some old white dudes from the days of muskets backfiring and killing the user do not get to decide what happens hundreds of years later.
 
TheMango55

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Do people realize that banning guns will take a constitutional ammendment?

You don't have to ban guns to make a difference. There are plenty of countries that haven't totally banned guns but don't have nearly the murder rate.

Getting rid of the war on drugs would help as much as a gun ban and wouldn't be legally impossible.
 

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loquaciousJenny said:
First of all you'll need to explain to the current ruling party that abortions are somehow a constitutional right, secondly fuck the constitution it's literally hot garbage and some old white dudes from the days of muskets backfiring and killing the user do not get to decide what happens hundreds of years later.
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1. It doesn't matter what they think. Supreme Court is well....Supreme.

2. See above for same response on guns relative to democrats.

I mean that's a nice sentiment about the Constitution, but it doesn't really matter in the end because it is a constitutional right and it does hold the force of law no matter what you think of it's construction.
 
loquaciousJenny

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TheMango55 said:
"Fuck gravity we should all be able to fly"

Yeah, thats a nice sentiment.
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The constitution is the disease that will kill this country if you keep treating it like divine words. Fuck, people treat the commandments with less fucking regard. Some old white fuck's words from a document that excluded rights to women and minorities isn't something you should look to in the same regard as gravity.
 
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