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Hace

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Sep 21, 2018
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Yep. I don't know anything about Hearthstone and have never heard of this e-sports member. I barely know of anyone from any e-sports scene anymore, outside of the FGC. I can't say I really follow the news or community of any Acti-Blizzard games.
Had Acti-Blizz taken no actions against blitzchung, and in that scenario had their been no repercussions from China afterward, then I would have never known that a Hearthstone player made a pro-HK statement on stream. They reacted to it though and now it's not only news here but a poster linked to where it wasn't being discussed in mainstream German news? Seems like a majorly bad play on Acti-Blizzard's part and shows how rediculously dumb China's whole "Say something we don't like and we ban you" policies can be where they end up exposing that message they didn't like to more people and bringing more attention to it.
I can promise you the government wants this reaction, anyone that steps out of line get the heel they'll advertise that all day long.
 

Serpens007

Well, Tosca isn't for everyone
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Oct 31, 2017
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A reminder that, under capitalism, social progress only can happen if it's profitable
 

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The NBA and Blizzard are saving me so much money, it's actually kind of great. Keep fucking that chicken, I'll keep dropping subs. Sellouts.
 

EYEL1NER

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I can promise you the government wants this reaction, anyone that steps out of line get the heel they'll advertise that all day long.
Yeah, I guess after second thought China's overreactions to these kind of things aren't that dumb if they work for them and everyone falls in line. Or, I guess they are still dumb/wrong, but not ineffective.
 
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Saw this on twitter:

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"Every Voice Matters"

Yeah ok.
 

echoshifting

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Negative Zone
It wouldn't surprise me at all if all the Blizzcon streams are on a delay this year so they can edit out anyone making statements critical of this decision.
 

Serpens007

Well, Tosca isn't for everyone
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Not true. Progress can also happen if their is risk to profits. IE consumer boycotts.
Its hard to make consumers actually boycott, but it works very well when done.

Progress can happen under social pressure in any political system. Under Capitalism, companies will wave your flags only if they make a penny out of it (despite being a positive change, that's why corporations now parade in LGBT flags. It's good PR.), In this case, they will wave the Chinese flag for it.
 

Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
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This is the truth of the matter. It comes down to money. And you will have some corporate boot lickers who will say, "But the purpose of a corporation is to make the most money for their investors - DUH!" And the sad thing is, they are right. They are despicable to apologize for it, but they are correct. Their 'morality' is contingent to the way the financial wind is going. They will do anything to increase their value including supporting a fascist regime to chase that money. Fuck Blizzard. I am out.

Don't think anybody saying that (at least here) is saying that as an excuse, just a simple matter of fact regarding capitalism.
 

Mesoian

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I've been pretty snarky about this whole thing in this thread but...

This is all very disappointing.
 

Reedirect

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Oct 27, 2017
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I never expected much from Blizzard, but this is unbelievably disappointing and embarrassing.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Watch them just be pre recorded, no streams

My money is on "We're changing it up this year for totally innocent and random reasons, and we're just so happening to not have any Q&A events whatsoever."

Even if there's a delay, all it takes it one viewer recording one question of "Do you believe Hong Kong citizens should be able to protest freely" and there's just no answer to that that Blizzard will want to give - delay or not.
 

monketron

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Fair enough they censure him as he did break rules, but it seems they've gone completely over the top, and what did the casters do to deserve getting sacked as well? If that's how they want to act then they're going to have to accept the blow-back. No doubt some arsehole executive has determined the money they'll lose from Western based anger will be far less than what they'd lose in China if they did nothing. Urgh, I would have gone to war for this company at one point in my life, to look at them now makes me so sad.
 
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Fair enough they censure him as he did break rules, but it seems they've gone completely over the top, and what did the casters do to deserve getting sacked as well? If that's how they want to act then they're going to have to accept the blow-back. No doubt some arsehole executive has determined the money they'll lose from Western based anger will be far less than what they'd lose in China if they did nothing. Urgh, I would have gone to war for this company at one point in my life, to look at them now makes me so sad.

They are probably brain storming what kind of corporate studied activism they can do to get "social good" brownie points back.
 

monketron

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They are probably brain storming what kind of corporate studied activism they can do to get "social good" brownie points back.

twitter.com

Stephanie McMahon on Twitter

“"philanthropy is the future of marketing, it's the way brands r going 2 win" -@biz Stone co-founder @twitter #WWEBPS”

Reminds me of this Tweet. Which is why you should never believe sincerity from big corporations.
 

Netherscourge

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Chinese government uses its huge population to hold the global corporate world hostage. They sell their citizens as a market share commodity and businesses buy-in via investor pressure and executive greed. Once they get in, and reap the profits, they'll do anything to stay there.

Blizzard is no exception.
 

SRTtoZ

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Dec 8, 2017
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Whats funny about this entire thing is if they didn't take any action this wouldn't even be a story. When you watch the video the guy and commentators were laughing because it was sort of a troll-y comment and now Blizzard turned this into a massive story. What a time we live in.
 

Berordn

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Whats funny about this entire thing is if they didn't take any action this wouldn't even be a story. When you watch the video the guy and commentators were laughing because it was sort of a troll-y comment and now Blizzard turned this into a massive story. What a time we live in.
It makes you wonder who actually made the demand that something be done, be it Blizzard, the holding company, or some concerned Chinese oversight committee.

It would've been a complete blip on the radar if not.
 

Tahnit

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is going to destroy blizzard unless they do the right thing. I cant even think of what blizzcon is going to be like now? Everyone should stand up and say they stand with HK. What is blizzard gonna do?
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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I realize Halloween is coming up, but a corporation cosplaying as a South Park episode is a bit much.
 

Edward

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Oct 30, 2017
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This is going to destroy blizzard unless they do the right thing. I cant even think of what blizzcon is going to be like now? Everyone should stand up and say they stand with HK. What is blizzard gonna do?
As fucked up as it is i don't think it's going to destroy blizzard. Hearthstone/WOW still top 10 on twitch and people are still playing and buying their products. As for Blizzcon i wouldn't be shocked if they just had employees or stand-ins ask questions.

Personally i canceled my WOW sub and uninstalled Battle.net i have no interest in supporting the company but most either don't read this stuff or don't care.
 

VPplaya

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This has Bobby Koticks shitty little fingers all over it. Such a shame Activision owns Blizzard now...
 
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