So Mario 3D All Stars finally convinced me to get a Switch.
Should I wait for a "Switch Pro" since the current Switch is overpriced?
Should I wait for a "Switch Pro" since the current Switch is overpriced?
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Bloomberg: "Game developers, speaking anonymously... said that Nintendo has asked them to make their games 4K ready"
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No I know how it works. I watched the DF video on it but my knowledge of it is limited. I am saying that we don't really know what the Switch's new hardware is capable of so I am not gonna bank on it making games look great in 4k. I will however go into it knowing that it will make it possible for Monolith to make games as incredible as Xenoblade 2 and Xenoblade DE without it looking like a fuzzy mess.
No, since CEMU is a WiiU emulator and you need an WiiU and the BotW WiiU version to dump the ROM. But I think there is a Switch emulator in development or so.
Ah okay didn't catch that in the post lol
But yeah this whole thing is gonna be interesting
I acknowledge that hardware is different than software, but no one leaked HW: Calamity despite it being days away so it's possible very, very few devs know or will break NDA to acknowledge the Switch Pro.
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You'd be waiting until at least March of next year, probably longer.
The current cream of the crop first party games on Switch look fine as-is. I'd recommend just getting one with Mario, then trading in for a Pro when the time comes.
Hmm im not really in any rush to play any of the other 1st party nintendo games yet, but I would like to claim a digital copy of All Stars which can only be done on a Switch console. So I guess it depends if the "Pro" is announced/released before March. If not, then I could see myself getting a current Switch and trading/selling it for a Pro later. Just seems like a bit of an extra hassle though, I wish the digital version of All Stars wasn't limited too lol.
The 4k stuff doesn't really sit right with me. I think it might be referring mainly to developers of smaller, less demanding games, probably 2D pixel art games. Adding tensor cores for DLSS would require designing a brand new chip rather than simply doing another die shrink of the TX1, which is where I think they went.
Yeah in that case I'd just wait until the last moment to see if they pop out the Pro before they stop selling Mario
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I think the new article mentioned "outside developers' or third party's. It is possible - of course that this is limited to a select group of developers under NDA but that seems a little strange to me
Takashi is a well respected journalist - i just wanted to bring a third party developer viewpoint to this. As far as me, and others ive spoken to - this isnt something thats been known about
I think the new article mentioned "outside developers' or third party's. It is possible - of course that this is limited to a select group of developers under NDA but that seems a little strange to me
Takashi is a well respected journalist - i just wanted to bring a third party developer viewpoint to this. As far as me, and others ive spoken to - this isnt something thats been known about
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Don't wait until it announces. Game will probably be delisted before any Switch Pro announcements appear.
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While I am not too hopeful on Nintendo targeting 4K on any soon-to-release device, as you said, both sides of the story could be true. Any of those developers would probably be under NDA, so if true we will hardly get any confirmation on this.
I was thinking the same. Nintendo is usually very select, and it wouldn't surprise me if EAD studios and a few key development partners are aware of the new system and it being 4K ready for docked.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit considering the holiday lineup.
Nintendo probably just moved the lineup down a few months to align with the release of new/upgraded hardware.
I mean, it's game-dependent, but we do have more than a few 1080p60 games on switch....
Nintendo probably just moved the lineup down a few months to align with the release of new/upgraded hardware.
I mean, it's game-dependent, but we do have more than a few 1080p60 games on switch....
What games? most of them are wiiu ports. That is PS3-360 generation.
Shitty math warning
4k is 4 times 1080p, so you require a lot of more power to run 4k than 1080p at an estable framerate.
4k is 9 times 720p.
For me the machine should be at least 15x the switch
So? The article doesn't say what developers are being asked to prepare for 4k. It's likely the ones who have relatively non-demanding games. (If it's true)
You certainly won't need 4K in handheld mode so I think 4x would suffice. Even games that previously ran at 720p in docked mode would get a nice upgrade to 1440p.
All of this is not accounting for any kind of DLSS/upscaling thing
Regardless, though, do you actually want a list? Cause I'm sure you can find that via an online search.
My point was that your post was just false.
That would be a massive jump compared to the switch, and potentially really expensive. I'm really interested in seeing how they accomplish this.
That 30 million is pretty crazy....not as crazy as that thread on here asking if the console is worth the price.
That 4K stuff isn't happening though and idk why anyone would believe it. Even if it did, then what? Nintendo's teams and close partners sure wont be utilizing the hardware given their track record.
That 4K stuff isn't happening though and idk why anyone would believe it. Even if it did, then what? Nintendo's teams and close partners sure wont be utilizing the hardware given their track record.
New games = no ports
All of the wiiu titles are already on switch
But i believe the claim is BS
Not sure why devs would need to be consulted to make 4K assets for games for something like that.
Any time now I'm predicting a well know website will come out and confirm this as "we are hearing the same thing"
If the rumors of 4k are true, we are likely getting turing or ampere tech with DLSS. So won't need nearly that much raw power. Something like a 1.5 TFLOP Ampere could be as powerful as 4 switches and give us native 4k from 1080p games. But we will need something proportional in bandwidth to reach that, if we don't count DLSS. I don't think we'll get more than 50-78GB/s from a 8GB 128 bit buswidth LPDDR4x or 6-8GB 64 bus width LPDDR5 on 51.2GB/s bandwidth.
Also thinking Nintendo (if rumor is true) meant we would get 4k based off current 1080p switch games in docked mode, not 720p.
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Unless I'm missing something nothing in the article says this is referring to new games. Existing games can be patched to take advantage of upgraded hardware, it happens all the time.
Also plenty of new games are not demanding at all, probably the majority of indie games the Switch gets weekly.
The implication is that they would be using a new chip instead of the same Tegra X1+.
If not DLSS, then they would have to do something like squeeze out 4x+ the performance out of the same chip by clocking it higher.
I think that might be possible if they shrink the die allowing for more thermal headroom without adding additional cores, but I personally don't see Nvidia being too keen on this when they already have a new architecture being manufactured at 8nm.
It wouldn't surprise me if Nvidia itself would want to move forward with its Tegra chips, too.
I still rather have a pro dock, but joycons that aren't shit is the maximum I came to expect at this point.
Let's not count out the fact that they could still utilize DLSS effectively to output 4k while still rendering at 720p.
This would still achieve spectacular results.
Here's Control at 720p -> DLSS to 4K:
I forgot where I got this screenshot from, but it's from this forum. I just had it in my history.
That's with 2nd gen Tensor cores.
Ampere uses 3rd gen Tensor cores, and Nvidia's own benchmarks suggest that 720p -> DLSS 8K is viable with the 3090, showcasing the improvements in the Tensor cores.
How much more powerful is the X2 or Xavier compared to the X1?
tX2 is basically the same as the TX1, but it has Denver cores (likely unusable on switch) instead of A53s (current unusable on switch), more cache, and can come with a 8GB RAM LPDDR4128 bus bandwidth to come with 59 GB/s bandwidth. Bandwidth being at least twice as much as current tx1 and switch.
Xavier is more powerful than TX2, but the Carmel cores is going to be too much effort for devs for current switch games.. and the actual board is really big and wouldn't fit on switch.
Or some of Nintendo's new games such as Animal Crossing, Club House Games and Paper Mario. Even the new Hyrule Warriors might be 1080p.
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Seems like the Nintendo ninjas are once again dropping redherrings to catch leakers if that was the case.
As always to other people here, keep expectations in check, if not lower them. Even if Bloomberg reports it, the mention of 4K should be taken with a massive grain of salt. We just like to speculate the crzy ways one can achieve 4K while requiring half the performance.
Now where the heck is that video I've been posting that better explains how it works...:Let's not count out the fact that they could still utilize DLSS effectively to output 4k while still rendering at 720p.
This would still achieve spectacular results.
Here's Control at 720p -> DLSS to 4K:
I forgot where I got this screenshot from, but it's from this forum. I just had it in my history.
That's with 2nd gen Tensor cores.
Ampere uses 3rd gen Tensor cores, and Nvidia's own benchmarks suggest that 720p -> DLSS 8K is viable with the 3090, showcasing the improvements in the Tensor cores.
Hmm, I wonder who has that tech...