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Bloomberg: Mueller Ready to Deliver Key Findings in His Trump Probe Soon After Election, Sources Say
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Well they are not really part of the GOP, so they are fall guys so to speak.
Im thinking on the Commey angle, as I believe he is not a politician either, but what he did before election looked like a partisan decision. I do highly believe that whatever Mueller concludes its going to be the real deal, but its hard to be optimistic based on how strong Republicans protect each other.
As much as I would LOVE for turnout out in the 2018 midterms to beat turn out in the 2016 election, it's highly unlikely. And I don't think any of the evidence you cited really supports that that will be the outcome. We had primary records being broken in the 2010 midterm cycle as well, but turn out for the general was only 41%. And voter registration does not ultimately equate to voter turnout. Also, with a sample size of only 4 elections, I don't think voter registration on National Voter Registration Day is a good data set to base your claim on.
What you cite is evidence, however, of higher voter enthusiasm, and I do think turn out will be greater than usual for a midterm election. But greater than a presidential election? That would be historic. Below is a graph of voter turnout of presidential elections versus midterm elections since 1916. Even the best turnout for a midterm election (1966 - 48.7%) wasn't higher than the worst turn out for a presidential election (1924 - 48.9%).
You can find the interactive version of the graph and more data at https://www.fairvote.org/voter_turnout#voter_turnout_101
It begins.
Where does the headline indicate otherwise?
Also why do we have so many usernames named after Twitch emotes? It's fucking weird!
I assumed it meant Meuller himself would present the report to congress and it makes a difference who reports it, with the reports of him wanting to resign and that thing of him joking about wearing a wire, its going to hard for Rosenstein to be taken serious at at congress. People forget Rosenstein is Boss of the probe not Meuller.
Based on the DoJ Inspector General report, it seems pretty clear the Comey was convinced partisans in the New York field office would leak the existence of the "new emails" and the resumed investigation regardless, so he decided to get out ahead of it and take the hit. Not that it worked out well, but it seems like he didn't have any good options.
Not quite. If Rosenstein (or his potential replacement) disagree with the special counsel on how to proceed, Mueller is obligated to deliver a full report on the matter directly to congress. It's the main "safety valve" in the special counsel statute for dealing with a thoroughly corrupt executive.
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People aren't very smart. Never heard of people only talking in twitch emotes ? Yeah that's fucking obnoxious.
Can the current Congress/Senate rush impeachment hearings just to get the verdict they want (no impeachment, not guilty, what ever)?
If so, would that prevent the next Congress/Senate from having another hearing because there was already one?
If so, would that prevent the next Congress/Senate from having another hearing because there was already one?
I'm sick of people with this shit. It's like they still underestimate Mueller.
I admire your optimism, and will be popping champagne if you turn out to be right
My prediction is an absolutely convincing case, that nothing comes of because a) people think indicting sitting presidents is legally controversial and b) conviction of a president through the impeachment process requires 2/3rd of the Senate.
The Senate will remain in GOP control. The House will flip to Dems. Trump finishes his term but loses in 2020 and the Senate flips to Dem as well.
The Senate will remain in GOP control. The House will flip to Dems. Trump finishes his term but loses in 2020 and the Senate flips to Dem as well.
It's better that they wait to announce.
If Trump is in trouble, it will just enrage Republicans and inspire them to go the polls even more to protect their messiah.
If he's not in trouble, it will just make Democrats look even more like they make false accusations after the Kavanaugh drama.
Just wait til after midterms
If Trump is in trouble, it will just enrage Republicans and inspire them to go the polls even more to protect their messiah.
If he's not in trouble, it will just make Democrats look even more like they make false accusations after the Kavanaugh drama.
Just wait til after midterms
Is it a good thing or a bad thing that the city that just elected Kane to be their mayor is energized about voting in the midterms?
Neither of those conditions would prevent something from coming of Mueller's findings. Prevent him from being removed from office, sure, but he could still be indicted after his term is up. The Senate can't prevent Trump from eventually getting what's coming to him.
No, that would be really stupid. The very act of bringing impeachment hearings to a vote would require the sitting House speaker (Mitch McConnell) to admit that they believe the president did something worthy of impeachment.
Impeachment isn't a legal procedure, there is no burden of proof or formal trial. If they went through a Congressional impeachment "for the lulz" and it was shot down, it would never reach the Senate, and the Democratic Congress could just try again in January.
Mcconnell is senate majority leader. Speaker is ryan for now. Not that it makes logistical difference here
We already got "nothing will come of this" when lots has already come from it (guilty pleas and jail time, almost certainty that more Trump goons will be indicted), and we haven't even seen the reports yet.
If you think it's gunna be a big nothing burger you haven't been paying attention to actual events that have transpired until this point.
If you think it's gunna be a big nothing burger you haven't been paying attention to actual events that have transpired until this point.
We don't need Meuller to make an informed decision this late. The type of people who are waiting simply don't care in the first place. You don't need to be a democrat to be concerned about the stability and integrity of this country in this specific case. We have enough observable evidence such as the way republicans flipped their stance on Crimea at the convention.
Releasing findings right after mid terms, and two years prior to next presidential election, seems like literally the worst possible time.
Rudy has been mysteriously quiet.
I think it's best to wait until after the midterms at the very least so that way there's not more fuel for the "it was a hit job to get democrats in power" fire. Seems like it would negatively impact the investigation.
Sounds like you've heavily researched the issues involved, evidence by your inability to even spell the principal peoples' names correctly.
Depends on what the findings/recommendations are. If there's bad stuff in there about Trump, handing it directly over to (hopefully) newly elected Democratic leadership in the House seems like really good timing. Allows them to get started on hearings and/or potential impeachment proceedings right away.
Hmm, that's true. My pessimism born out of the past couple years wasn't looking at it through a lens of dems winning this fall, haha.
Lower your expectations leaving room to be surprised. Thats a good strategy
and we both know if he did anything tangible republicans would cry up to the scotus if they could about how he robbed him of election before canning him.
Suspect as hell? Not when you want the information to be made public. Presenting it when Republicans can hide it makes no sense.
We all have solid evidence of serious shit. Don Jr. tweeted out his own emails about conspiring with the Russians. Trump admitted to Lester Holt that he obstructed justice. Nepotism. Emoluments. Etc.
The reason Mueller is holding things until after the election, is because when Comey DIDN'T hold an announcement related to Clinton until after the election, everyone gave him shit, CNN, Fox News, Hillary, Trump.
Trust me, if a photo of Muller smiling in a Starbucks gets published today, Republicans will call for his execution for treason over election interference tomorrow.
Sorry. I'm as pessimistic as they come about this whole Mueller investigation. If I had my way, Dems would win Senate and House and leave trump as president. Impeaching gives us Pence who can rally the right because he's even more of a puppet than trump is.
The jaded soul in me expects it'll go something like this:
- it looks like collusion
- it smells like collusion
- but there's not enough hard evidence for a definitive call.
I'm much more curious to see what obstruction looks like, seeing how Trump's attempted to obstruct a hundred times.
- it looks like collusion
- it smells like collusion
- but there's not enough hard evidence for a definitive call.
I'm much more curious to see what obstruction looks like, seeing how Trump's attempted to obstruct a hundred times.
Even if it's fucking nothing (which with the help of Manafort and Cohen I HIGHLY doubt it) this investigation has already yielded many indictments and results so I really don't like how disparaging this thread is so far.
Full list below including those who took plea deals.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury
Full list below including those who took plea deals.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury
I had friends expecting a release a few weeks before the election, trusting Mueller to save us from the Republicans. My reply of, "Mueller is a Republican," was mostly shrugged off.
Don't forget the solid reporting that came out recently more or less concluding there was back channel set up for covert communication between the Trump campaign and Russia. Who knows what Manafort and other witnesses have corroborated. It's entirely within the realm of possibility that Mueller has evidence of collusion, but I think it's best to temper expectations anyways.
DOJ policy is not to release info that might affect an election within a few months of it. Mueller is probably just following that.
