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Very unlikely. 1M OLED screens a month starting in June would not be enough for a replacement launch this year. It only makes sense for a supplemental revision, which Aula is very unlikely to be.
The purpose of slim models is the same as Lite Switch, budget consumers.
it cuts costs while also allowing console maker to price it profitable for future limited time sales. PS4 slim went $299 in 9/2016 and was $200 on Black Friday 2 months later. While retailers take a loss on that, I imagine it wasn't huge.
the idea is you design your slim model to cost a bit less than MSRP, for either minor profits or break even, and then you can do major limited time sale events where the console maker takes a bigger loss but only from 500k-1M sales. During these sales consumers typically buy a lot of software tho to go with these new systems, subs too, so I think it more than makes up for it.
tho Nintendo is different since they rarely do limited time sales for switch so far
I mean, both could be right but I think you're looking at it backwards. It's not that they can't get enough screens to replace the V2 Switch with a V3 Switch, but more like their plans for when they begin acquiring screens and at what volumes indicates that it's not going to be for a V2 Switch replacement.
Mariko is a whole other ballgame, we have no idea if they did stop production or will soon, there are some rumors to that effect but they're not crystal clear at the moment.
I guess we see when we see. The Switch Pro has been rumoured for so long and with the insiders saying that devkits are going around I am quite sure the stronger Switch is definitly coming at some point. The question is when we start getting devkit leaks if they are around already cause I guess that will happen at some point.
I'm still a bit confused on what's going on in here
As a starting point we have Bloomberg's article saying they're targeting 2021, and that we can expect a 7" OLED and 4K in Docked. Off the back of that article we now have two camps of discussion:
(1) We have Matt, Imran, Nate (and others) saying there's dev kits out. Nate saying he's got no reason at the moment to assume DLSS is not in. Imran saying expect the focus to be on improving framerates and resolutions (i.e. don't view this as a successor). Matt telling folks it's 'neat', it's not the same chip, and essentially saying it's a must-own for Switch avids.
(2) Then we have DF saying they expect a revision with no changes other than OLED - same Tegra X1, 4GB RAM. They're effectively marrying Aula as was datamined, with the Bloomberg report. As the basis of their discussion is that the system is using an unchanged SoC, DLSS is only talked about in how it's unlikely because it's not something you can achieve by just slapping a chip in the dock.
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(2) Is an educated discussion as we can expect from DF, but makes no indication that they're informed of, or basing it on non-public details in the same way that (1) is. If we assume (1) is real, and we have zero reason to doubt that right now, then it feels like there's no evidence of (2). Bloomberg is reporting on one device, not two.
Edit: The only thing I'm a bit disappointed on right now is talks that this revision could slip into 2022. Getting pretty tired of my current model... :|
As a starting point we have Bloomberg's article saying they're targeting 2021, and that we can expect a 7" OLED and 4K in Docked. Off the back of that article we now have two camps of discussion:
(1) We have Matt, Imran, Nate (and others) saying there's dev kits out. Nate saying he's got no reason at the moment to assume DLSS is not in. Imran saying expect the focus to be on improving framerates and resolutions (i.e. don't view this as a successor). Matt telling folks it's 'neat', it's not the same chip, and essentially saying it's a must-own for Switch avids.
(2) Then we have DF saying they expect a revision with no changes other than OLED - same Tegra X1, 4GB RAM. They're effectively marrying Aula as was datamined, with the Bloomberg report. As the basis of their discussion is that the system is using an unchanged SoC, DLSS is only talked about in how it's unlikely because it's not something you can achieve by just slapping a chip in the dock.
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(2) Is an educated discussion as we can expect from DF, but makes no indication that they're informed of, or basing it on non-public details in the same way that (1) is. If we assume (1) is real, and we have zero reason to doubt that right now, then it feels like there's no evidence of (2). Bloomberg is reporting on one device, not two.
Edit: The only thing I'm a bit disappointed on right now is talks that this revision could slip into 2022. Getting pretty tired of my current model... :|
I mean, a lot of what DF was saying is speculation based off of Nintendo's history.
The others have talked about what they've seen/heard.
I like DF, but I have no reason to assume Imran, Matt, and Nate are being dishonest here. I'm feeling the initial comments that this is more than just a simple screen swap and such.
Can someone tell me what level of power the OG Switch is and what the Switch Pro would be in terms of Dragon Ball power levels :P
Ultra Instinct is so powerful that the games play you. Basically Skynet levels.
We need more information. If it's just the two switches, or nintendos consoles are ps4 and ps5 etc being included?
This is very important very technical very science stuff here.
Well, they are clearly speculating, which I think makes dishonesty kinda impossible?
Is all of the recent uncertainty because of the DF video? Isn't one of those guys a prominent poster here? Maybe he can clarify if their comments are based on insider information or pure speculation
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Digital Foundry are speculating. Matt, Nate, Imran etc. are not. They're opening up on things they know. Speculation from them would probably just be around release timing, any features they haven't heard of yet, positioning of the device long term, and whether the Bloomberg article is describing the same device they know about.
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Digital Foundry are speculating. Matt, Nate, Imran etc. are not. They're opening up on things they know. Speculation from them would probably just be around release timing, any features they haven't heard of yet, positioning of the device long term, and whether the Bloomberg article is describing the same device they know about.
They saw no evidence of a Switch Pro but did find evidence of a Switch revision with an OLED display but same internals in terms of power. The details were revealed through a Switch update source code mine. Seems pretty definitive to me but who knows. Just a guess.
As relative to a ps4? Would be like goku vs raditz, and the goku+piccolo vs raditz for the switch pro, if my DBZlogy doesn't fail me.
That datamine has been known for a year. There is nothing suggesting it is a retail product, similarly to the Copper and Calcio profiles datamined.
I think df knows more but due to the podcast nature and their position it was easier to speculate on widely known details
Yeah I don't know. Digital Foundry's response was rather disappointing because they are extremely reliable and they seemed mostly convinced that a Switch Pro 4K system is not in development. I hope this is one of those rare cases where they are wrong and everyone else is right.
That being said a 4K DLSS enabled Switch sounds to good to be true. Was pleasantly surprised by the rumors so I won't be surprised if it just doesn't happen. Time will tell.
That being said a 4K DLSS enabled Switch sounds to good to be true. Was pleasantly surprised by the rumors so I won't be surprised if it just doesn't happen. Time will tell.
Ideaman BGassassin, hopes and dreams won and lost. It what made me start lurking neogaf back in 2011
Wust stands for Wii U Speculation thread.
legendary thread indeed.
Was just the Wii U Speculation Thread. Power estimates were all over the place and people chose sides. Ended in tears for all.
A lot of the Switch Pro threads before this remind me of that, but with less "insider" knowledge.
Still one of my favorites.
Not that I'm buying it necessarily, but Nintendo has used multiple screen manufacturers for the same model devices before. Any reason they can't with them OLED? Serious question btw.
Just for my tired work brain you are meaning DLSS via the SoC and not some dock amalgamation correct?
I remember...I was there...I saw it all....Idea Man's padlet stories...the hype...the low ball side...and then the 5 stages of grief when Nintendo undercut even the lowest of all expectations. Together we argued, united we fell.
I don't expect two models, tbh. If anything, I expect a red box scenario with OLED screens once the actual revision hits the shelves. Until X1 production is halted in the future, that is.
I can see them using the same OLED to depend of one supplier only, and they kinda did something similar when the Mariko SoC was used for both the Lite and the red box Switch. I don't see them giving any fanfare to this hypothetical model tho, even if the actual revision ends up slipping into 2022 Q1.
I can see them using the same OLED to depend of one supplier only, and they kinda did something similar when the Mariko SoC was used for both the Lite and the red box Switch. I don't see them giving any fanfare to this hypothetical model tho, even if the actual revision ends up slipping into 2022 Q1.
Hardware based, so, yes, the SoC. It won't be handled by the dock.
Appreciated, that was my assumption, but wanted to double check. Excited to see what the new revision will be. Thank you for the reply and for all you have been able to drop in here too (all threads).
you now have two threads to convince everyone!
IMO I think both DF and Nate/Thug etc. Could be right, the DF scenario could be Switch + and the new SoC could be Switch 2 (later release).
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