Time for MS to take that loss, sell at 399. Would be a bold move and I'd like to see how it turns out.
Why is a phone more valuable than a console? I feel like thats pretty obvious.why?
if you don´t game on your phone you can have a smartphone for 5 or more years...i am still rocking an iPhone 6s
So probably $500 console and Sony's usual anti-consumer exclusivity nonsense to pressure people into buying their consoles, then?
"many of PS5 launch games will also be on PS4"
That's awesome to hear. Will definitely hold off on PS5 if that's the case.
If the bill of materials is 450, Sony would still be selling at a loss for $499, and likely even $549. Materials need to be assembled, shipped, and sold with enough margin so that retailers can turn a profit. Not to mention all of the sunk costs in the form of R&D.
Not saying they wouldn't sell the system for 499, I just honestly would be surprised if it was cheaper. Sony isn't in the business of taking a 200+ dollar hit per console anymore.
So probably $500 console and Sony's usual anti-consumer exclusivity nonsense to pressure people into buying their consoles, then?
And other people think that MS will eat a $200 loss just to beat Sony lol. Some of you guys are waaaay too optimistic about the prices.
Haven't they done that before? I don't think it's some outlandish statement.
Imagine you thinking this is relevant in any way.
If Nadella thinks Xbox is essential to Microsoft's future ambitions and cloud offerings, they'll fund it as much as they need to.
It's just like every console launch. There are cross gen games like sports games or yearly installments like cod/ac. Is this your first time at the rodeo? Sony itself is going to be making exclusives for the ps5 but lots of third parties will still do their normal cross gen stuff
Not in over a decade.
Why is a phone more valuable than a console? I feel like thats pretty obvious.
Asked about when he expects Sony to provide guidance on the gaming business outlook for the new fiscal year, Totoki said the plan is no different from the recent past, meaning the guidance can be expected around the end of April.
If the company takes longer than usual, analysts may look to its next investor relations meeting to glean hints about the new console's retail price. The company held that meeting in late May last year.
Exclusive games are the main reason why consoles are worth having.
We're waiting for late April / late May for more PS5 info. Maybe between TLOU2 and E3 even?
Given the hubbabaloo over Microsoft's stated approach, i'm surprised not much is being made of the news that PS5 launch games will also be on PS4. Of course, it's totally possible i'm misunderstanding something.
As for the price, I've always thought the price would be $499. I don't think Sony is interested in selling the console at a loss given its market position.
We going back to "the Xbox division has access to the ms warchest" again? While cloud is important and the Xbox has a partial part in that, they don't get a blank cheque. The investors would go nutsImagine you thinking this is relevant in any way.
If Nadella thinks Xbox is essential to Microsoft's future ambitions and cloud offerings, they'll fund it as much as they need to.
Given the hubbabaloo over Microsoft's stated approach, i'm surprised not much is being made of the news that PS5 launch games will also be on PS4. Of course, it's totally possible i'm misunderstanding something.
As for the price, I've always thought the price would be $499. I don't think Sony is interested in selling the console at a loss given its market position.
Idk if they, anything is possible, will but they:
Given the hubbabaloo over Microsoft's stated approach, i'm surprised not much is being made of the news that PS5 launch games will also be on PS4. Of course, it's totally possible i'm misunderstanding something.
The "warchest" argument has always been hilarious. People think MS will eat a bigger loss because they're a bigger company.And other people think that MS will eat a $200 loss just to beat Sony lol. Some of you guys are waaaay too optimistic about the prices.
Today I've learned that if Sony had spent upwards of a whole dollar more on the cooling solution for the PS4 Pro it might have turned out differently than the worst piece of noisy shit I've ever bought.
Who is they"MICROSOFT'S NEW XBOX IS WEAKER THAN THE LAST ONE!" It won't be true, but if it's true in even one aspect they will print it:
Times have changed. Lots of consumers have no issues buying smartphones and macbooks at a premium today. Those prices have really skyrocketed. The Xbox one X was sold for 499 and not to much backlash either.
Sometimes people with bigger stomachs eat more food.The "warchest" argument has always been hilarious. People think MS will eat a bigger loss because they're a bigger company.
Wash post, WSJ, Wired,
at this point i wouldn´t be surprised if they hold off as long as they can, seems there are many things still up in the air. they could also come in late summer when releasing in November...
They ate $100 when their cost was way too high for consumers, they ate $100 and still launch one of the most expensive consoles ever. They're not eating $100 if they can still launch at a reasonable price without doing so.Haven't they done that before? I don't think it's some outlandish statement.
Personally I think PS5 will be $499 but $399 wouldn't shock me at all even with this news.
i mean...Switch was announced like 4 or 5 months before release right?
I honestly don't get why people are feeling so entitled about the PS5 and expecting Sony to announce everything right now, 9 months before release.
He has misattributed and misconstrued quotes from Sony executives before publishing misleading stories from them.
$499 or $549 looking more and more likely. Probably the former.
this console was really getting on my nerves many times...i have one with coil whine too so it isn´t only loud, it also has an annoying sound that is running on top
They could? If some loss leading wasn't on the table, then I'm not sure this article would exist. It exists because there seems to be debate internally about which route to take. Granted, we don't know to what extent they'd be willing to take losses, but - say - $100 on hw, would not be the largest loss on hardware they ever took, and doesn't look too infeasible when you look at current operating income for the game business, and the data they released last year on the value of year one customers over a lifecycle.
Doesn't mean they will take such a loss, but it's not impossible it would be on the table.
I think you are. The article says 'many' games will be on PS4 also, not that all will be. That's not dissimilar to the case with every previous console launch. What would be different would be Microsoft's approach, where it seems all will also be on the prior console, with no initial first party exclusives. On the other hand, the note in the Bloomberg article leaves things perfectly open to a 'normal' next-gen launch for PS5 - a smattering of next-gen exclusives, with mostly cross gen third party games.