Time for MS to take that loss, sell at 399. Would be a bold move and I'd like to see how it turns out.
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Bloomberg: PlayStation 5's Bill of Materials have been pushed up to $450 due to scarce NAND and DRAM components
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Why is a phone more valuable than a console? I feel like thats pretty obvious.
Wow I thought this was a joke post at first. You really need to learn what anticonsumer actually means, and a little hint, exclusives to sell a product aren't that.
It's just like every console launch. There are cross gen games like sports games or yearly installments like cod/ac. Is this your first time at the rodeo? Sony itself is going to be making exclusives for the ps5 but lots of third parties will still do their normal cross gen stuff
This is not the same Sony from last generation though. The money that Sony and MS make in digital sales and service far outstrip the money they would lose adopting a loss leading strategy. Sony wasn't trying to lose too much money on the PS4 because their entire business was depending on the PS4 being successful, which it was and then some. Now, they have the ability to go into a loss lead adoption that could potentially put them right back into the driver's seat.
Exclusive games are the main reason why consoles are worth having.
And other people think that MS will eat a $200 loss just to beat Sony lol. Some of you guys are waaaay too optimistic about the prices.
Haven't they done that before? I don't think it's some outlandish statement.
Personally I think PS5 will be $499 but $399 wouldn't shock me at all even with this news.
I've only seen the PS3 to PS4 transition, and the Gamecube > Wii > Switch transitions. I don't really remember what the cross gen launch titles were like but I don't remember there being much. I guess I misinterpreted that quote, I thought they meant first party games, not the typical third party games that are put out on every platform.
While I don't think Microsoft will take a $200 loss, they do have far more xbox subscription based services than 2013 for revenue. Before it was just xbox live, now it's that plus Gamepass and soon Xcloud. A $100 loss is doable for them.
Why is this news? Wasn't the PS3 and PS4 sold at a loss at launch? I know PS4 recovered way faster than the PS3, but there is no way Microsoft will sell the Xbox Series X lower than $499, and everybody was saying that $499 for both consoles was perfectly fine. Then, all of a sudden, this "news" is trying to make people think the price of the PS5 will be outrageously high? This Bloomberg article has the intention to harm the hype of the PS5.
not really, you can phone and use whatsapp with an old phone too....
Then why elevate Phil Spencer to become member of the senior leadership group?
We saw an addition of 7 studios "Just like that".
If you ask me, it is much more realistic that Nadella does than doesn't considering what I just wrote.
We're waiting for late April / late May for more PS5 info. Maybe between TLOU2 and E3 even?
Non-exclusive games vastly outsell exclusive games in most years. A lot of people prefer the convenience and form-factor of a console. Exclusives are a factor but even if exclusives went away, console sales would still be huge. If I told someone like my brother that he had to build or buy a PC in order to play this year's Madden and CoD, he would most likely quit gaming or move to something like Stadia.
Given the hubbabaloo over Microsoft's stated approach, i'm surprised not much is being made of the news that PS5 launch games will also be on PS4. Of course, it's totally possible i'm misunderstanding something.
As for the price, I've always thought the price would be $499. I don't think Sony is interested in selling the console at a loss given its market position.
As for the price, I've always thought the price would be $499. I don't think Sony is interested in selling the console at a loss given its market position.
at this point i wouldn´t be surprised if they hold off as long as they can, seems there are many things still up in the air. they could also come in late summer when releasing in November...
i think this means there will be more crossgen games than ever before but still a few exclusives.
and yeah, under 499 bucks there won´t be any new console this time
Today I've learned that if Sony had spent upwards of a whole dollar more on the cooling solution for the PS4 Pro it might have turned out differently than the worst piece of noisy shit I've ever bought.
We going back to "the Xbox division has access to the ms warchest" again? While cloud is important and the Xbox has a partial part in that, they don't get a blank cheque. The investors would go nuts
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The difference is, so far as we know, ALL Xbox games will be cross gen for at least another year.
Meanwhile PS5 will have some exclusives, but many will be on PS4 also.
Idk if they, anything is possible, will but they:
- have forecasted big losses for next fiscal year
- And have much more revenue via PS+ today than they did when ps4 launched at a loss
Come on MS, do it.. do it NOW *arnold voice from predator*
Scratch Lockhart, take the loss and sell XSX at 299. The amount of Gamepass subscribers will skyrocket!
Scratch Lockhart, take the loss and sell XSX at 299. The amount of Gamepass subscribers will skyrocket!
They could? If some loss leading wasn't on the table, then I'm not sure this article would exist. It exists because there seems to be debate internally about which route to take. Granted, we don't know to what extent they'd be willing to take losses, but - say - $100 on hw, would not be the largest loss on hardware they ever took, and doesn't look too infeasible when you look at current operating income for the game business, and the data they released last year on the value of year one customers over a lifecycle.
Doesn't mean they will take such a loss, but it's not impossible it would be on the table.
I think you are. The article says 'many' games will be on PS4 also, not that all will be. That's not dissimilar to the case with every previous console launch. What would be different would be Microsoft's approach, where it seems all will also be on the prior console, with no initial first party exclusives. On the other hand, the note in the Bloomberg article leaves things perfectly open to a 'normal' next-gen launch for PS5 - a smattering of next-gen exclusives, with mostly cross gen third party games.
The "warchest" argument has always been hilarious. People think MS will eat a bigger loss because they're a bigger company.
this console was really getting on my nerves many times...i have one with coil whine too so it isn´t only loud, it also has an annoying sound that is running on top
I reeaally hope the talk of expensive cooling doesn't mean that Sony went with a Navi GPU at 36 CU at 2 GHz.
well I wouldn't say X1X selling to 20% of Xbox buyers, which was the lowest selling console this gen (unless Wii U is included) at roughly 8M per year (so 1.6-2M X1X per year) doesn't exactly scream success for that $499 price. And they did rush to get XB1 down to $399 like 6 months after launch.
and smartphone sales have slowed as prices got higher, people are upgrading every 3 years instead of 2, so yes people are okay with higher prices but it doesn't necessarily mean they will buy at traditional rates/timelines.
Both console are gonna be $500+ which when you adjust for inflation and what you're getting with these consoles, makes sense.
You can get away with $599 USD in 2020. Not in 2006.
You can get away with $599 USD in 2020. Not in 2006.
i mean...Switch was announced like 4 or 5 months before release right?
I honestly don't get why people are feeling so entitled about the PS5 and expecting Sony to announce everything right now, 9 months before release.
They ate $100 when their cost was way too high for consumers, they ate $100 and still launch one of the most expensive consoles ever. They're not eating $100 if they can still launch at a reasonable price without doing so.
2months when considering the real presentation...this was january, the console released march. there were teasers in october though.
600 dollars in 2003 is 841 dollars today
So when comparing the ps3 price to a new console think through that
So when comparing the ps3 price to a new console think through that
Just a quick FYI: The author of this article, Takashi Mochizuki, is known for making up shit:
And in May 2018 he also wrote this, and claimed he got this info from Sony PR (which was obviously a lie):
www.wsj.com
www.resetera.com
So better take this article with a huge grain of salt.
And in May 2018 he also wrote this, and claimed he got this info from Sony PR (which was obviously a lie):
Sony Says the Next PlayStation Is Three Years Off
Sony wants to spend three more years readying its next videogame move, the head of the PlayStation business said—a slight slowdown in the six-to-seven-year update cycle for the console since the first one in 1994.
www.wsj.com
Bloomberg: Sony did not say that PS5 is 3 years away
Yesterday, WSJ reported "Sony Says the Next PlayStation Is Three Years Off". This was quickly picked up by several news outlets: Gamespot Kotaku Polygon Ars Technica ...and many more. But apparently, without any additional fact-checking, which is kind of interesting considering this is...
www.resetera.com
So better take this article with a huge grain of salt.
$549 sounds too expensive. Like others I lean towards a max price of 499$. I'm seriously starting to wonder what their launch line-up is.
My assumption is 500 USD for PS5. To be honest I never expected anything less than 500 based on the rumors, and would have been much more shocked to see 400 than I would have to see 600. 400USD is just way to low when you factor in marketing, shipping, and the other operating costs not factored in here.
It really does come down to what Microsoft does, because I think it will be very telling to see how important they feel the xbox console actually is in 2020 vs the xbox services / ecosystem. Xbox has taken a lot of steps to diversify away from pure console, while Sony is still heavily dependent on a console getting a big install base.
Therefore, in regards to pricing, I only see Sony going as low as they possibly can. I could see Microsoft going for a "premium" price (over the PS5) for the series x based on a) their rumored power advantage b) the fact that "series" most likely means there will be a cheaper option soon for the non "premium" segment that's priced below PS5. c) the fact that they have the ability to distribute games and sell services through PC and XCloud, and aren't so reliant on that install base. e) the fact that they've outlined their main competitors as Google and Amazon, meaning they're going down the services / distribution route.
I don't see Microsoft undercutting Sony. Possible, but I think they're going for the pure power win at a premium price, and using a "series c" or something as a slightly less power, cheaper option for the masses.
It really does come down to what Microsoft does, because I think it will be very telling to see how important they feel the xbox console actually is in 2020 vs the xbox services / ecosystem. Xbox has taken a lot of steps to diversify away from pure console, while Sony is still heavily dependent on a console getting a big install base.
Therefore, in regards to pricing, I only see Sony going as low as they possibly can. I could see Microsoft going for a "premium" price (over the PS5) for the series x based on a) their rumored power advantage b) the fact that "series" most likely means there will be a cheaper option soon for the non "premium" segment that's priced below PS5. c) the fact that they have the ability to distribute games and sell services through PC and XCloud, and aren't so reliant on that install base. e) the fact that they've outlined their main competitors as Google and Amazon, meaning they're going down the services / distribution route.
I don't see Microsoft undercutting Sony. Possible, but I think they're going for the pure power win at a premium price, and using a "series c" or something as a slightly less power, cheaper option for the masses.
I still have my Pro, but I don't use it anymore because of the noise. I've gone back to my PS4 Amateur which is as silent as the day I bought it years ago. I played Days Gone and Death Stranding on my old PS4 unit and the games played just fine. These days it's mostly a Monster Hunter World machine with an occasional PS4 exclusive in the mix. I play all multiplatform games on PC.
I guess I could try and fix the Pro, but it's not worth the hassle to me. Easily the worst console/electronic device I've ever owned. Sony should be ashamed of that piece of shit.
Yeah, I agree with that read of it. In terms of prognosticating, I think that if it was business as usual on that front there'd be no reason to point it out to allay fears of a pricey console to stakeholders. I personally will be surprised if there's more than one or two games that are PS5 exclusives.