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Bob Iger confirms that first post-IX Star Wars film will be from D&D

Oct 26, 2017
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Not changing what a previous director set up? That doesn't sound like Kevin Feige given how much has been shifted, dropped, and changed in the MCU. It's still cohesive on the macro level as well as certain threads, but plenty changes and adapts to make the individual films work.

I think you must be looking for a Kathleen Kennedy. :P
I swore I saw an article where they said that the MCU has had the overarching ideas for the specific phases laid out before hand. That is what Star Wars needs. It was clear going from the force awakens to TLJ that things were done more on the fly.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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If that was the plan, why would Iger only confirm what the next movie is and not confirm that all three of them are from D&D?
Yeah, it seems to be like the only plan Iger is offering is a very high level schedule. Lucasfilm has three years to figure out, creatively, how they want to shape it, and they've been given 2 years between films to continue shaping it. I'm sure they've been bouncing around ideas, but it's still too early to put it all on paper. It could be D&D do all three, could be they do one and drop out, could be they only end up sharing writing or producing credits. I don't think they actually have that all figured out beyond here's the date, and here is who is working toward it right now. They've been burned by coming out the gate with these sorts of early announcements in the past (Colin Trevorrow, almost Josh Trank), so why wouldn't they take a more conservative approach this time around?
 
Nov 1, 2017
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If that was the plan, why would Iger only confirm what the next movie is and not confirm that all three of them are from D&D?
Because it gives them flexibility. They have changed plans many times already, no matter what they state, nothing is concrete. They are also in that case having RJ hanging around in the wings now for over 4 years before getting to start on his movie?

The RJ movies are still happening, but the more they get dragged out, the more likely they wont happen. RJ will move onto other projects, Disney give it to someone else, they scrap the project, etc etc.

Same folks fighting this idea (it's just an idea) are the same who were fighting the idea that the stories movies and solo projects for charaters were still happening.... yup not anymore apparently.
 
Maybe RJ will be the 3rd Disney+ show. As others have said I don't see them alternating D&D and RJ movies. I also don't see RJ and Disney waiting until late 2020s to launch his trilogy. Finally, Solo has pretty much given Disney a reason to pause and not have a SW movie every year.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like this solidifies that D&D rushed the hell out of GoT to get to Star Wars ASAP. Especially since Rian Johnson started well over a year ago, and officially D&D weren’t starting until after GoT finished.
People take different amounts of times doing film... Gunn finished the script to Guardians 3 and Suicide Squad within like a year of each other and Matt Reeves still hasn't turned in an approved Batman script.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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People take different amounts of times doing film... Gunn finished the script to Guardians 3 and Suicide Squad within like a year of each other and Matt Reeves still hasn't turned in an approved Batman script.
Sure, but TLJ also had the quickest/smoothest production cycle of any Disney Star Wars, considering the 12-18 month head start, I always assumed it would be first. Hell, I assumed it would be 2021, but with no films slated until 2022, this means it’s not until 2024 at the soonest?
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Wow, ERA is mad at something.

Shocking.

Reading threads on here you would think everything is the worst thing ever.


Myself, I can't wait for it. While I am not happy with how GoT is ending, people shouldn't be blaming D&D for not writing the rest of it perfectly how they would like it. Go blame GRRM for not releasing a single book is almost a decade.

If you think D&D stopped caring what do you say for the person who actually created the story to begin with?
Nah. There are people in the past who have had to deal with the challenge of writing endings for TV stories without the book writers finsihing their work and doing much better than D and D did. The story beats for the original Full Metal Alchemist still worked very well inspite of the fact Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood with the correct ending because that team knew how to write and direct dramatic scenes and delivered on an ending that leaned into their strengths even though their ending was so drastically different from Brotherhood. D and D revealed they were even worse than some of the best fan fiction writers.

I have watched a couple of game of throne fan theory endings on youtube that blew my mind while D and D didn't show half the creativity.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Sure, but TLJ also had the quickest/smoothest production cycle of any Disney Star Wars, considering the 12-18 month head start, I always assumed it would be first. Hell, I assumed it would be 2021, but with no films slated until 2022, this means it’s not until 2024 at the soonest?
Without being on the inside who knows which idea is further ahead or if RJ needs more time.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Nah. There are people in the past who have had to deal with the challenge of writing endings for TV stories without the book writers finsihing their work and doing much better than D and D did. The story beats for the original Full Metal Alchemist still worked very well inspite of the fact Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood with the correct ending because that team knew how to write and direct dramatic scenes and delivered on an ending that leaned into their strengths even though their ending was so drastically different from Brotherhood. D and D revealed they were even worse than some of the best fan fiction writers.

I have watched a couple of game of throne fan theory endings on youtube that blew my mind while D and D didn't show half the creativity.
Eh, FMA '03 still had plenty of questionable creative decisions, up to and including something that wouldn't have been out of place for D&D with
supporting character Rose having been raped and impregnated by State Military soldiers and left a mute, something that never happened in the manga or by extension Brotherhood.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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Ugh, geez.

Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst. It looks like they’re hedging their bets by only announcing 1 film from them right now and not confirming a full trilogy or series for them, but still.

Benioff and Weiss do have some good and great original work under their belt, but it is the worst possible timing for this announcement.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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To say nothing of their demonstrably poor screenwriting capabilities, D&D should not have any place in a Disney/LucasFilms that have pledged diversification. I'm going to repost my cursory run-down of their history of misogyny, homophobia, and racism in writing Game of Thrones:

Homophobia:
  • Inserting violent homophobia into the Faith of the Seven where there is none on the books. In fact, Westerosi culture as a whole isn't particularly homophobic, except insofar as feudal primogeniture demands noble sons marry noble daughters. (Homosexual relationships are actually fine and accepted!)
  • Omitting most LGBT+ book characters, many of whom were meaningful or easy to include.
    • Not only were most homosexual men in the books as martially capable as their heterosexual counterparts, whether masculine or feminine, but Jon's squire Satin serves as a welcome example of Jon being indiscriminate (and, if you want to read into it, perhaps not heterosexual himself).
  • Turning the only included homosexual book characters — Renly and Loras — into one-dimensional stereotypical caricatures. In the books, they're both quite three-dimensional, in many ways ideals of Westerosi martialism and masculinity, and also one of the healthiest couples in the novels.
    • To further expand on that: Renly is a vaunted tournament participant, who looks identical to Robert in his youth, who was described as "muscled like a maiden's fancy."
      • In the show, he's a gay stereotype who's... afraid of blood. One of their introductory scenes is literally them shaving each other's bodies.
    • Loras in the books, meanwhile, is consistently compared to a youthful Jaime Lannister. He's one of the most talented swordsmen in the realm, with a rash temper. When Renly dies, he joins the Kingsguard — a celibate order — because "when the sun has set, no mere candle can replace it."
      • In the show, he's even more effete and effeminate than Renly. We almost never see him with a sword in-hand. He doesn't join the Kingsguard after Renly's death, and in fact starts whoring around immediately after. (Because gay people are promiscuous! Duh!)
        • In S3, he also discusses ~wedding planning~ with Sansa.
Racism:
  • Daenerys' infamous white savior crowd surfing on a crowd of 100% people of color.
    • In the books, slavery is more akin to the Roman variety, irrespective of skin color.
  • Going into none of the depth of the Meereenese politics.
  • Missandei's Shock Value death. Not only did only her being captured make no sense, but they had her — an ex-slave — symbolically put back in chains for her execution.
    • Relatedly, I can't wait to see how these chucklefucks handle Confedereate. That they want to tackle a scenario of "What If American Slavery Still Existed?" says a lot about them.
  • Tyrion inexplicably assuming the Unsullied soldiers didn't speak Common last night. When he's been around them for years now.
  • Turning the Sand Snakes into stereotypical exotic caricatures, when they were each racially diverse in the books, representative of Oberyn's equal opportunity sexual relations. (By the way, Book!Oberyn is bisexual too, but his brief allusion to it in the show is quickly cut off before anything happens between him and a male prostitute. In the show, he also assumes Varys is gay based on... I guess, stereotypes!)
  • Omitting various characters of color from the books.
    • Whitewashing some of their roles, such as turning Chataya and Alayaya into... Ros.
Misogyny:
  • Innumerable instances of gratuitous rape.
    • Including various scenes where the women being raped have their faces off-screen, removing their humanity.
  • Innumerable instances of dehumanizing sexposition aimed to titillate male audience members using Male Gaze, at the expense of female audience members.
  • The idea that "powerful women" are toxically masculinized violent women, or otherwise cynical ice queens. By extension, several female characters were more-or-less ruined, turned into opposites of their book counterparts:
    • Brienne, the soft-hearted, deeply empathetic, and chivalrous young woman was turned into someone who frequently bullied Podrick, and demonstrated disdain for femininity. In the books, she isn't disdainful of femininity at all — she's equal parts Lady of Tarth and a True Knight.
    • Sansa's strength in the books is not only her intelligence, but her resolute commitment to kindness and goodness in the face of cynicism. "If I am ever queen, I will make them love me." Instead of "learning from Cersei" (gross), Book!Sansa is an indictment of Cersei's internalized misogyny — a demonstration that Cersei is wrong, that kindness isn't stupid, that it wins.
    • Arya in the books envies Sansa's femininity, she doesn't condemn or mock it. She never calls girls or feminine pursuits "weak" or "stupid" as she does in the show. (She calls Sansa stupid in a bout of sisterly rivalry, but that's very different.) Let's look at a quote from the books:
      • “The Lannisters are proud,” Jon observed. “You’d think the royal sigil would be sufficient, but no. He makes his mother’s House equal in honor to the king’s.”

        “The woman is important too!” Arya protested.
  • The idea that women in proximity must behave bitchily toward one another. Last season it was Sansa and Arya catfighting, this season it's been Sansa and Daenerys.
  • The idea this season that Emotional Women must be rationalized/condescended to by Reasonable (read: stupid) Men.
    • See: the double standard applied to Daenerys and Jon Snow.
      • Show!Daenerys has never actually demonstrated much propensity for madness (let's forget that the actual Mad King's descent into insanity took many years with sometimes justified paranoia). She has years of actual ruling experience. Yet, characters like Varys and Tyrion warp their prior characterization (remember Varys' "Fire and Blood" declaration to Olenna?) to insist she's crazy — when her last action was to put aside her southerly war and go North to save the realm.
      • Show!Jon, meanwhile, has demonstrated nothing but stupidity lately (don't get me started on the show's thesis that Good/Honor = Stupid — complete opposite of the books), yet Varys immediately decides he's a better ruler than Daenerys, literally because he has a penis.
    • See: Tyrion inexplicably appealing to Cersei's motherly emotions when we — and Tyrion — have seen ad nauseam by now that Cersei is insane and consumed by power.
  • After having the Hound make a gross comment to Sansa referring to her rape as being "broken in," the show has Sansa literally say she wouldn't be where she is now without her abuses/abusers.
    • For the people in the back: RAPE AND ABUSE ARE NOT EMPOWERING. ABUSERS DO NOT GET CREDIT FOR INSTILLING STRENGTH IN THEIR VICTIMS. SANSA DID NOT GLEAN STRENGTH OR POLITICAL CANNINESS FROM HER ABUSES — SHE ALREADY HAD THEM.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Oct 28, 2017
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Don't forget the disastrous production of Rogue One or the hiring and subsequent firings of Colin Trevorrow and Josh Trank.
Yeah, granted she had reason to fire those people but that is basically her track record. She was lucky that Abrams and Johnson released their movies so quickly and without issue. I've been defending her for years (and still will) but so many of her choices since head of LucasFilm don't look good.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Don't forget the disastrous production of Rogue One or the hiring and subsequent firings of Colin Trevorrow and Josh Trank.
Yeah, Star Wars as a whole has been kinda a clusterfuck under her watch. It seems they're learning their lessons in terms of not overwhelming people with movies. But D&D are NOT a good fit for Star Wars, and I say that as someone who still enjoyed the last few episodes of GoT.

I've also noticed something else: Why is Iger making these announcements and not KK? For the MCU, head of the studio Kevin Feige is always front and center. But lately it seems that Iger has been the one making all the announcements for Star Wars, not KK the actual head of Lucasfilm...
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I've also noticed something else: Why is Iger making these announcements and not KK? For the MCU, head of the studio Kevin Feige is always front and center. But lately it seems that Iger has been the one making all the announcements for Star Wars, not KK the actual head of Lucasfilm...
Because these are Disney investor calls and summits and not necessarily official announcements.

Plus different studios, different ways to do things.