The Clone Wars movie if that's what you're talking about is the biggest bomb in Star Wars history.
They're still doing TV with the Mandalorian and Obi-Wan shows and those should do well if written competently.
I was speaking about the TV series.
The Clone Wars movie if that's what you're talking about is the biggest bomb in Star Wars history.
They're still doing TV with the Mandalorian and Obi-Wan shows and those should do well if written competently.
It's just a sick joke at this point man.So the Avatar sequels were delayed to serve the schedule of D&D's Star Wars films and now they're going on hiatus.
Fuck.
I agree but my point still stands.Those franchises are not the same
We do not need Frodo Baggins, a ring story. We do not need Ron Weasley : a potter story. Different franchises lend to different expectations and approaches.
Star wars is an epic saga event film franchise. They should stick with it at that
To me it is 2/10 picture absolutely disaster of a SW film. The entire casino needs to be cut.TLJ being a "2/10 trash fan fiction" movie is what is nonsense. These aren't perfect movies (not the OT trilogy either, and the PT is just trash throughout) but as far as blockbuster crowdpleasers go, TLJ is top tier. The only bigger issue is the middle that has maybe 5-10 minutes of filler that could've been trimmed, but something like that isn't enough to completely ruin a movie. Otherwise the issues are fairly minor (Rose kissing Finn was kinda bleh, Leia pulling herself to the ship looked silly).
In a better place.
I really feel like this is a ridiculous overreaction to a shitty idea that no one wanted. The Disney films average 1.1B WW with Solo included
When you see a string of $1B films across your 2 geek properties ( TFA, R1, BP, IW, TLJ, CM, EG) and then one fails to net $400M worldwide, it's gonna stand out and the financial peeps will panic and over react.I really feel like this is a ridiculous overreaction to a shitty idea that no one wanted. The Disney films average 1.1B WW with Solo included
I don't think there's a shred of evidence that suggests SW should be on a "hiatus" though. Extreme overreaction. Months after TLJ and shitty advertising based on a bad idea no one wanted. Even a Marvel movie would fail in that context IMO. Maybe not that bad of course but, it was just bad news all around.When you see a string of $1B films across your 2 geek properties ( TFA, BP, IW, TLJ, CM, EG) and then one fails to net $400M worldwide, it's gonna stand out and the financial peeps will panic and over react.
It's not the best but this is how shit works. If Solo had done, say slightly less than R1 numbers, we would likely have a Star Wars Story movie in 2020.
I don't think there's a shred of evidence that suggests SW should be on a "hiatus" though. Extreme overreaction. Months after TLJ and shitty advertising based on a bad idea no one wanted. Even a Marvel movie would fail in that context IMO. Maybe not that bad of course but, it was just bad news all around.
*Doctor Aphra enters the chat*New film for summer 2023 with Jon Favreau as writer/director, Fiege co-producing it, and a tone more in line with Guardians of the Galaxy (more jokes/contemporary humor) is what I expect. New characters so they have no established rules.
Yeah. I understand being concerned from a business standpoint, but my fuck there was no reason to ice SW. Come onI agree.
I also bet Iger is spoiled by the new norm of $800M-1B baselines for flicks.
When you add in Disney flicks like Aladdin 2019, Lion King 2019, TS4 and in two weeks, Frozen 2, hearing sub $400M for a SW flick prolly causes him to start asking questions and for heads to roll.
Exactly.I mean it's all a silly discussion when there will be straight up more minutes of live action star wars content released in the "interim" than currently even exists. Also even the article in the OP points out this is basically just a reiteration of what was already the case.
I don't disagree with you.Yeah. I understand being concerned from a business standpoint, but my fuck there was no reason to ice SW. Come on
Lol. TLJ was only hated by pedantic nerds who nitpicked the dumbest shit/couldn't accept that the story went into directions they didn't like, and alt right shitstains of humanity who didn't get their white straight male protagonist single-handedly pulling down star destroyers from space or Rey in a sexy slave costume or whatever. General public was fairly positive about it.
A movie doesn't do almost 1,5 billion if it's a disaster and has a horrible word of mouth. If it was that much of a disaster, it would have probably failed to make a billy.
Solo bombed on its own accord. No one knew or cared about some no-name actor depicting a younger Solo, and they failed to make the story look interesting in trailers. May was also not the best time to release the movie.
I will always say that LucasArts NOT adapting and improving upon those 'terrible' but fan-favorited post-RotJ Star Wars Extended Universe characters and stories into post-Sequel trilogy movies was a huge strategic mistake by whatever story committee they have.
I'm of the opinion that they didn't over-saturate the market with Star Wars, they just squandered my interest with mediocre re-treads.
I heard that Solo-type movies and its sequels was the business plan going forward but given its spectacular failure, LucasArts have to throw it out and start from scratch again hence the hiatus.I think mining the old EU for good ideas then improving/fixing some of the broken shit was an ok direction to go, but I don't know if I'd say that not doing that was the reason why they need to put it on ice for a bit now.
I'm of the opinion that they didn't over-saturate the market with Star Wars, they just squandered my interest with mediocre re-treads.
Sure, you can't make films that satisfy everyone - but they've had 5 years to tell me something new in a full galaxy across thousands of years. Anyway, when they announced the schedule of alternating side story/main line each year, I was stoked. Still think release cadence isn't the core issue here.If every movie you make has to live up to the "fans" expectations, of which Star Wars has like 20 different fan factions that all want different things ... then no .... you don't have a "saturation proof" franchise.
Sure, you can't make films that satisfy everyone - but they've had 5 years to tell me something new in a full galaxy across thousands of years. Anyway, when they announced the schedule of alternating side story/main line each year, I was stoked. Still think release cadence isn't the core issue here.
It's close.I don't disagree with you.
On the bright side, we only have 4 more sleeps till 'The Mandalorian'.
I always disagree with this take whenever I see it because it is derived from a pure lack of imagination. The Star Wars universe can be anything and fit almost any type of story. That is what is so magical about it. Lucas knew this, which is why he pushed for it to constantly innovate and explore new things throughout all 6 of his movies as well as The Clone Wars, and encouraged the EU to explore many other facets he never did as well. Star Wars can be all those things he and others have explored, most of which haven't been revisited all that much, as well as many more things that have yet to be visited at all. Just because the current crop of Disney Star Wars products is devoid of that kind of imagination does not mean the franchise is limited.The "full galaxy" thing is overblown anyway ... they have good Force users, some bad ones, smugglers, traders, rebels. Droids and wacky aliens like Ewoks and Gungans you're probably better off not making movies about.
It's not as diverse of a universe as its fanbase makes it out to be, Lord of the Rings is more diverse and doing a new Tolkien movie every year would be stupid.
I always disagree with this take whenever I see it because it is derived from a pure lack of imagination. The Star Wars universe can be anything and fit almost any type of story. That is what is so magical about it. Lucas knew this, which is why he pushed for it to constantly innovate and explore new things throughout all 6 of his movies as well as The Clone Wars, and encouraged the EU to explore many other facets he never did as well. Star Wars can be all those things he and others have explored, most of which haven't been revisited all that much, as well as many more things that have yet to be visited at all. Just because the current crop of Disney Star Wars products is devoid of that kind of imagination does not mean the franchise is limited.
Welcome to the Wonderful World of Disney<tm>.So the Avatar sequels were delayed to serve the schedule of D&D's Star Wars films and now they're going on hiatus.
Fuck.
I always disagree with this take whenever I see it because it is derived from a pure lack of imagination. The Star Wars universe can be anything and fit almost any type of story. That is what is so magical about it. Lucas knew this, which is why he pushed for it to constantly innovate and explore new things throughout all 6 of his movies as well as The Clone Wars, and encouraged the EU to explore many other facets he never did as well. Star Wars can be all those things he and others have explored, most of which haven't been revisited all that much, as well as many more things that have yet to be visited at all. Just because the current crop of Disney Star Wars products is devoid of that kind of imagination does not mean the franchise is limited.
Okay, so, you clearly are one of those people who have some sort of weird bias against TCW I guess?Lets also put that into context ... the Clone Wars movie bombed hard and the Clone Wars TV series never really a ratings juggernaut past the premiere, Disney opted to axe it fairly quickly.
SW fans need to be able to view things from the POV of non-fans or very casual fans.
Good post.Okay, so, you clearly are one of those people who have some sort of weird bias against TCW I guess?
The Clone Wars movie wasn't good, we all know that -- it also wasn't even supposed to be a movie. They stitched the first four episodes (basically the pilot) together into a movie and threw it into theatres, it was a bad idea. That says absolutely nothing about the quality and variety of the 6 season, 120+ episode series.
And your ratings comment is just absolutely untrue nonsense. Ratings being irrelevant to the series' quality, and my statement, aside -- Past the premiere (which was the highest rated new show premiere for any Cartoon Network show), the series continued to be an extremely strong performer for the network until its cancellation. And it's important to note, Cartoon Network never cancelled it and it was planned to go for 8 seasons.
Disney axed it when they bought Lucasfilm because the cost per episode was too great, it was on a competing company's network, and they wanted a clean slate/to move away from the "Prequel" era of Star Wars/reboot it. They clearly realize that was shortsighted in hindsight, but what are you gonna do.
Regardless of your own opinion on TCW, it expanded the Star Wars universe in a positive way, was generally well received by both critics and fans, and created an entire new generation of fans -- Ahsoka especially is one of the most popular characters in the series now. There are people who grew up with TCW as "their Star Wars". Disney is starting to realize this and is going to cater this subset of the fanbase more as time goes on.
"Non-fans" and "very casual fans" just want good movies. Doesn't matter whether they're like the OT, or like the prequels, or like TCW. Although I would think even they tire from the exact same limited scope (that is basically extremely similar to whatever the OT did) that most of the Disney Star Wars products so far have been comprised of.