Boogie2988 invited to the Game Awards (famous champion of 'both sides' in regards to white supremacy)

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Oct 26, 2017
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You still think we should ignore him, let him say his heinous shit free of any criticism because he "has no real imfluence or significative power"?

Trying to gaslight Resetera to make them think they are the unhinged ones will not work here, especialy with the video proof posted here.
No not at all. My point in my post was I think a change in tone would make others more willing to be educated on his behaviour. I never suggested ignoring him. Apologies for making you all feel like I was trying to gaslight you all. That wasn't my intention. I know given the current enviornment that it is difficult to take the time to distinguish posts like mine from trolls. My words are truly coming from a good and genuine place though. I hope you can believe me, but I understand if you don't. I will leave the thread though as I can see my input is not being appreciated and understood. Sorry for wasting your time...
 
Oct 27, 2017
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So if you reach the conclusion that Boogie should retire because he's not in a mental health place to be exposed to the public, and I come to the conclusion that Boogie should retire because he's an asshole that makes the world a worse place, maybe we could meet in the middle. Wouldn't that be great?
If he retires I wouldn't care I've never watched any of his content apart from a rage video at some point. I just think the issues highlighted in the OP can be discussed without the "look at the stupid thing he did on stream one time" or bringing up the clear issues he has with his parents.

But if you want your hate thread go for it that's fine there just isn't much worthwhile discussion here.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Uh huh.

What a joy you constantly are.
Do you constantly monitor what I do or say? No? Then stop pretending to be a vanguard of intellect.

I’m happy I don’t waste my days running circles to defend mysoginist and white supremacy apologists like Geoff, claiming he’s for the devs. Embarrassing.
 
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No not at all. My point in my post was I think a change in tone would make others more willing to be educated on his behaviour. I never suggested ignoring him. Apologies for making you all feel like I was trying to gaslight you all. That wasn't my intention. I know given the current enviornment that it is difficult to take the time to distinguish posts like mine from trolls. My words are truly coming from a good and genuine place though. I hope you can believe me, but I understand if you don't. I will leave the thread though as I can see my input is not being appreciated and understood. Sorry for wasting your time...
Still feels like gaslighting.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't mean any disrespect by this post, I'm not the most articulate individual but, no. The amount of obsession and energy in this thread comes off as some sort of shared psychotic disorder.(not that it is one, but that's what it looks like externally) I'm not saying boogie is a good person but the obsession in this thread over some rando with no real influence or significant power comes off as incredibly unhealthy and makes a large part of the community look unstable. It's kinda embarrassing. There are better constructive ways to educate others than the attempt that's been displayed in this thread. 🙁 Again, I don't mean this in a condecending or disrespectful tone. I hope my words are not interpreted in a negative manner and that hopefully you can understand where I am coming from and what I am trying to portray. If he was presenting then I'd be inclined to agree with the tone of this thread.
Psychotic disorder? Lol man you have no idea what you're talking about.
 

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I don't want to offend anybody, but here's some garbage where I compare being bothered about seriously toxic behavior to mental illness. He's just some rando, crazypants!
I haven't read a post in this thread and I literally don't know who Boogie is, but I agree with you and have prepared an explanation of how this thread and forum are the real villains
 
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No not at all. My point in my post was I think a change in tone would make others more willing to be educated on his behaviour. I never suggested ignoring him. Apologies for making you all feel like I was trying to gaslight you all. That wasn't my intention. I know given the current enviornment that it is difficult to take the time to distinguish posts like mine from trolls. My words are truly coming from a good and genuine place though. I hope you can believe me, but I understand if you don't. I will leave the thread though as I can see my input is not being appreciated and understood. Sorry for wasting your time...
I honestly don't know what you expected from these posts and this intervention.
 
Nov 27, 2017
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Question, does Boogie get involved in GG/KiA style stuff nowadays? As someone who ran with a... let's say not great crowd back in 2014, I get how someone at the onset could be sympathetic to the presented idea. But that sort of requires not digging too deeply into the nature of 'Quinnspiracy' and the awful reasons this became an issue to begin with. My opinion has evolved to if you sympathize with GG, whether intentionally or not, you're defending the slutshamming/internet hate mob antics that lay at it's core.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Birds of a feather flock together, this says a lot about Geoff and the company he likes to keep, he knows what boogie represents and probably agrees with it.
 
Aug 27, 2018
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I feel it's because 99% of them have no idea of any of this stuff.
Which is why it's baffling that this is so abhorrent to people. Sure he's said some really questionable stuff but it's such a minute part of all the content he puts out and who he is.

He's not Jordan Petersen or Alex Jones spitting non-stop bullshit. If you invite either of them to your awards show, you're giving their garbage a platform. With boogie, you're inviting a guy who's all about gaming but has said a handful of gross things.

If Keighley was palling around with Peterson and Jones, it would be fair to project their political views onto him, because that's who they are as people. Not really the case with boogie.
 

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Which is why it's baffling that this is so abhorrent to people. Sure he's said some really questionable stuff but it's such a minute part of all the content he puts out and who he is.

He's not Jordan Petersen or Alex Jones spitting non-stop bullshit. If you invite either of them to your awards show, you're giving their garbage a platform. With boogie, you're inviting a guy who's all about gaming but has said a handful of gross things.
No, he's broadcasted a couple handfuls of absolutely heinous things. It's not unreasonable that he's said a hell of a lot more.

What you said right now serves absolutely no purpose except to shield him. People talk about multiple topics during the day. Alex Jones and Jordan Peterson don't spout hate 100% of the time either; they probably also talk about what they're having for lunch on occasion. That doesn't excuse the heinous things they say.
 
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Which is why it's baffling that this is so abhorrent to people. Sure he's said some really questionable stuff but it's such a minute part of all the content he puts out and who he is.

He's not Jordan Petersen or Alex Jones spitting non-stop bullshit. If you invite either of them to your awards show, you're giving their garbage a platform. With boogie, you're inviting a guy who's all about gaming but has said a handful of gross things.

If Keighley was palling around with Peterson and Jones, it would be fair to project their political views onto him, because that's who they are as people. Not really the case with boogie.
Well that's why it's important to me whether he's still actively participating in that shit.
 
Jan 6, 2018
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Nazi sympathiser? He clearly said what they did was horrible. I don't understand why people are saying this? His point was to say things aren't black and white, not to excuse or sympathise what Nazis did.
 
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Which is why it's baffling that this is so abhorrent to people. Sure he's said some really questionable stuff but it's such a minute part of all the content he puts out and who he is.
Enabling Nazis has been abhorrent for, geez, over 70 years now? Would you say the same thing about, for example, Michael Richards after his one racist tirade? Or Louie CK, having a 25 year career with a few hours of it masturbating in front of women? It doesn't matter if it's "minute" if it's bad. Boogie is actively saying this stuff over periods of years, injecting his twisted ideas onto a lot of people because he's cultivated a large platform.
He's not Jordan Petersen or Alex Jones spitting non-stop bullshit. If you invite either of them to your awards show, you're giving their garbage a platform. With boogie, you're inviting a guy who's all about gaming but has said a handful of gross things.
And Jordan Peterson stans would say he's a guy who's just all about philosophy.

If Keighley was palling around with Peterson and Jones, it would be fair to project their political views onto him, because that's who they are as people. Not really the case with boogie.
Has Boogie not constantly made his "political views" clear? I put that in quotes because white supremacy and misogyny aren't political views.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Well that's why it's important to me whether he's still actively participating in that shit.
Based on his comments on Anita Sarkeesian and Charlottesville? Yes.

Granted, he didn't say he supported GamerGate at that time, but only a GamerGate supporter would imply that she deserved any blame for what happened.
 

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If he retires I wouldn't care I've never watched any of his content apart from a rage video at some point. I just think the issues highlighted in the OP can be discussed without the "look at the stupid thing he did on stream one time" or bringing up the clear issues he has with his parents.

But if you want your hate thread go for it that's fine there just isn't much worthwhile discussion here.
Or maybe we can stop treating the mentally ill as children and/or bad people and observe the fact that mentally ill people can be good and bad, and that they have agency in their decisions. A person who uses their platform multiple times (not one time, but multiple times) to do and say abusive things isn't excepted from being criticized because they're mentally ill. It means that they're being abusive and need to not be able to do that anymore.

Nazi sympathiser? He clearly said what they did was horrible. I don't understand why people are saying this? His point was to say things aren't black and white, not to excuse or sympathise what Nazis did.
In response to Charlottesville, Boogie blamed Anita Sarkeesian for the killing.
 
Jul 12, 2018
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If he retires I wouldn't care I've never watched any of his content apart from a rage video at some point. I just think the issues highlighted in the OP can be discussed without the "look at the stupid thing he did on stream one time" or bringing up the clear issues he has with his parents.

But if you want your hate thread go for it that's fine there just isn't much worthwhile discussion here.
There was never any worthwhile discussion to be had, we're discussing Boogie2988. Nothing he creates has any value and it's not even provocative because it's about as deep as a kid's macaroni art. It's hard to imagine something closer to an intellectual black hole. It's actually a miracle he can master the CAPCTHA prompts necessary to use websites.

But I'm not sure why we need to have a worthwhile discussion: Boogie2988's career is a testament to the fact that a great many people enjoy watching people be stupid assholes and whine about how liberal safe spaces and feminism and political correctness are ruining the country. And if Boogie2988 can live full time off internet welfare from other idiots, then I can surely do the same thing for free.

Option 1: It's funny to make fun of idiots, and double funny if they're also hateful idiots. And the edgier humor is, the better it is, so if that includes making fun of his mental health or his physical appearance or whatever, more's the better.

Option 2: Making fun of other people isn't nice, which makes Boogie2988 one of the least nice people on earth, and he should be mercilessly yelled at until he goes away so we can go back to living in a civilized society.

Centrism rules.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Horrifically tone deaf and cynical, at best, to invite this guy to anything. The corporate partners showing new games at this event should be pulling out.
 
Aug 27, 2018
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No, he's broadcasted a couple handfuls of absolutely heinous things. It's not unreasonable that he's said a hell of a lot more.

What you said right now serves absolutely no purpose except to shield him. People talk about multiple topics during the day. Alex Jones and Jordan Peterson don't spout hate 100% of the time either; they probably also talk about what they're having for lunch on occasion. That doesn't excuse the heinous things they say.
I hear you. I'm not really trying to shield him as much as to suggest that for most of his audience, those things don't define him in the same way they do Peterson or Jones.

That of course doesn't make it any better that boogie said them, but means that inviting him to a show isn't a celebration of those specific vews like it would be for those other guys.

Well that's why it's important to me whether he's still actively participating in that shit.
Fair enough. I'm certainly on board with anyone exercising their right to tell boogie to fuck off into the sun. I just don't think it's that reasonable to criticise the show or Keighley himself in this instance.

But yeah, fuck boogie.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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If he retires I wouldn't care I've never watched any of his content apart from a rage video at some point. I just think the issues highlighted in the OP can be discussed without the "look at the stupid thing he did on stream one time" or bringing up the clear issues he has with his parents.

But if you want your hate thread go for it that's fine there just isn't much worthwhile discussion here.
There was never any worthwhile discussion to be had, we're discussing Boogie2988. Nothing he creates has any value and it's not even provocative because it's about as deep as a kid's macaroni art. It's hard to imagine something closer to an intellectual black hole. It's actually a miracle he can master the CAPCTHA prompts necessary to use websites.

But I'm not sure why we need to have a worthwhile discussion: Boogie2988's career is a testament to the fact that a great many people enjoy watching people be stupid assholes and whine about how liberal safe spaces and feminism and political correctness are ruining the country. And if Boogie2988 can live full time off internet welfare from other idiots, then I can surely do the same thing for free.

Option 1: It's funny to make fun of idiots, and double funny if they're also hateful idiots. And the edgier humor is, the better it is, so if that includes making fun of his mental health or his physical appearance or whatever, more's the better.

Option 2: Making fun of other people isn't nice, which makes Boogie2988 one of the least nice people on earth, and he should be mercilessly yelled at until he goes away so we can go back to living in a civilized society.

Centrism rules.
I think there was some worthwhile discussion to be had it seems like the original intent before turning into a hate thread was to stop Geoff Keighley inviting Boogie but this thread isn't going to do much in convincing him to do that.
 

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I hear you. I'm not really trying to shield him as much as to suggest that for most of his audience, those things don't define him in the same way they do Peterson or Jones.

That of course doesn't make it any better that boogie said them, but means that inviting him to a show isn't a celebration of those specific vews like it would be for those other guys.
Has there been significant judgement of the viewers in this thread before you posted? Maybe I missed it, but I'm pretty sure it's been pretty firmly focused on Boogie himself.
 
What is this about? I saw the video where he said he got a faulty cabinet (something with the track ball if i remeber correctly), but whats the source/info regarding him manipulating them? Is this another unrelated case?

And just wondering, how do we know how much he makes a year?
Sorry, didn't see this! This one is easy to get sources for, because it literally happened 2 days ago! :)



He also in a very... condescending way had this to say about his YouTube Career when criticized about the PewDiePie controversy.



But, despite making SIX FIGURE SALARY

Literally yesterday was begging for a free copy of Battlefield V.



Oh, and don't forget being upset at Bethesda for not sending him a Collectors Edition of Fallout 76 for free like other creators, because a man with six figure salary wants some toys, but doesn't want to spend $200 on it.

https://streamable.com/m6s0a

Man. I just have so much disdain for how fake he is. >_<
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I don't get this dude at all; even ignoring his right-wing apology bullshit dressed up as centrism, what little content I've seen from him is terrible too. He's the rare zero-threat. Actually, that shit is becoming increasingly common these days.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he saying that bringing over Nazi scientists AKA Operation Paperclip resulted in some good things?
No, Operation Paperclip was after World War 2, not during it. It also isn't commonly believed to have contributed a lot to modern medicine, so he most likely was talking about the Holocaust.
 
Jan 6, 2018
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What was he trying to say then?
I think he was trying to say how good things can come from bad things (like learning from our mistakes, the Holocaust is not an example of this, but he tried to use it), but instead said that bad things aren't completely bad (which is incorrect).

Unless he actually really meant what he said and believes that there is something worth celebrating from the Holocaust. I'd have to watch the the entire stream of his to make sure his point wasn't badly delievered.
 
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Has anyone come to the defense of Boogie's actions when a Magic cosplayer was harassed out of the community and he supported the harassers, saying it was the fault of Wizards of the Coast for putting too much diversity in their game? Thread, Boogie comes up fairly early on.

Like can we stop hemming and hawing about whether Boogie really meant there were good things about the Holocaust and look at the bigger harassment-supporting picture?
 
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I think he was trying to say how good things can come from bad things (like learning from our mistakes, the Holocaust is not an example of this, but he tried to use it), but instead said that bad things aren't completely bad (which is incorrect).

Unless he actually really meant what he said and believes that there is something worth celebrating from the Holocaust. I'd have to watch the the entire stream of his to make sure his point wasn't badly delievered.
He straight up used Anne Frank surviving for as long as she did as an example of a good thing that came out of the Holocaust. At best, he has no idea what he's talking about. At worst, he's a Nazi apologist.
 
Aug 27, 2018
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Has there been significant judgement of the viewers in this thread before you posted? Maybe I missed it, but I'm pretty sure it's been pretty firmly focused on Boogie himself.
People are shitting all over Keighley, @'ing him and suggesting companies should be pulling out of the awards.

One dude even said he was going to talk to his boss about blackballing Keighley from their studios until there's an "explanation for this shit".
 
Oct 25, 2017
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tbh, I just feel a great ammount of apathy towards this dude, I dont get why anyone gives him attention, positive or negative, his content is bad and his opinions dont matter.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Why is it always the one who are supposedly the most uninformed about a person's history of spouting questionable bullshit, also the ones most adamant about defending said person?

Fuck Boogie.
 

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People are shitting all over Keighley, @'ing him and suggesting companies should be pulling out of the awards.

One dude even said he was going to talk to his boss about blackballing Keighley from their studios until there's an "explanation for this shit".
That's a different issue than being about Boogie's fans. When Keighley promotes Boogie, he is promoting Boogie and everything that comes with it. He is saying that it's acceptable in the gaming sphere to defend white nationalists, try to push back against diversity efforts while promoting abusers, and all the other thing that have been listed in this thread. You are saying that there is no intention to respond to that behaviour, to take any measure to discourage it, or even to stop rewarding people for it. As the person responsible for this show and with the winners of the show being a highly visible part of it, Keighley is absolutely responsible for this.

Like, imagine if someone were to invite Bill Cosby as a guest for their award show. Bill Cosby had a long career where he was known for wholesome comedy that helped white audiences relate to black families. His abuse is just a part of his life as well. You could enjoy his works without addressing that at all. But no one's going to invite him as a guest or publically call him a friend now without knowing that there's a message when you support known abusers. Taking a blind eye is taking a stance.
 
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...The trailers for TGA announcements go up on YouTube pretty quickly, at least. The only other worthwhile thing about TGA is if it turns into a trainwreck, & there's plenty of highlight reels of Joel McHale & the drunken Ubisoft guy to keep me satisfied on that end. I'm not supporting something that supports Boogie.

I don't mean any disrespect by this post, I'm not the most articulate individual but, no. The amount of obsession and energy in this thread comes off as some sort of shared psychotic disorder.(not that it is one, but that's what it looks like externally)
Have you seen a psychotic disorder in action, or did you just hear the term? People here are frustrated. Rightly, in my opinion, but even if you disagree with people not liking what they see as an aggressively-centrist Neo-Nazi sympathizer getting a platform to spout his atrocity-enabling beliefs, I don't see how someone could compare this thread to a psychotic disorder in good faith. Especially if you've been on the Internet & seen a controversial topic on... anything. Compared to how people reacted to a sock color change in Madden that one year, this is mild.

People speaking without knowledge about mental health matters creates a lot of undue confusion & stigma. I can't abide by that. It's bad enough we Boogie uses his history of MH symptoms as a scapegoat for literally everything bad he has ever done because he can't accept natural consequences of his actions that actively harm others (Like defending harassers), & has a platform that allows him to get away with it.
 
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Like can we stop hemming and hawing about whether Boogie really meant there were good things about the Holocaust and look at the bigger harassment-supporting picture?
no, because that'd force his stans to actually engage in good faith instead of taking the easy way out and just decrying the rest of us as an Angry Mentally Ill Mob Incapable of Reason
 
Oct 25, 2017
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i've been depressed and suicidal for years and somehow, somehow i've managed not to say that the holocaust had a silver lining because anne frank died (???????????????). either i deserve a medal or people should stop acting like mental illness gives you a free pass to be a nazi apologist. probably the latter.
It's shitty that you have to go through that. Hopefully you have a support structure around you that helps. Having people that care about you whether you want them to or not is one of the best things to have.

I'm all for Boogers to get the help and love he needs, i truly hope he does. But i'm not gonna pretend like it's ok to be a dickbag just because he went through dark shit. I've been there as well and i know the dangers of despair and self-loathing. But spreading hate is not a solution. Other people don't deserve to suffer due to his issues. What the dude did to his sister is truly despicable for example. I wouldn't do that shit to someone i hated.
 
Nov 1, 2017
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Not to sound shallow, but he's so physically disgusting. Why would any promotional body want to use his proxy endorsement as a means of burnishing any goodwill to the gaming industry? Wouldn't they want more telegenic personalities, and not Brad Pitt archetypes either. I'm talking regular, run of the mill people that can more easily pass off as being reasonably attractive to the point of being bland. Think of Mike Nelson from MST3K.

Think of it from a layperson's point of view of what they perceive as gamers. And then you look at someone like Boogie. It's not good optics. And then you add to his smarmy whataboutisms on his youtube videos, irregardless of whether one agrees with them or not. I'll use the Milo comparison: at this point in the game, he's almost daring his detractors to fat shame him.
 
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Not to sound shallow, but he's so physically disgusting. Why would any promotional body want to use his proxy endorsement as a means of burnishing any goodwill to the gaming industry? Wouldn't they want more telegenic personalities, and not Brad Pitt archetypes either. I'm talking regular, run of the mill people that can more easily pass off as being reasonably attractive to the point of being bland. Think of Mike Nelson from MST3K.

Think of it from a layperson's point of view of what they perceive as gamers. And then you look at someone like Boogie. It's not good optics. And then you add to his smarmy whataboutisms on his youtube videos, irregardless of whether one agrees with them or not. I'll use the Milo comparison: at this point in the game, he's almost daring his detractors to fat shame him.
Should have stopped at "not to sound shallow". You do. The last thing this thread needs is fat shaming and implying fat people shouldn't even be on tv. There's already plenty enough mentioned in this thread to take issue with boogie over
 
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