1. Vena

    Vena
    Community Resettler Member OP

    I mean they totally do care because there are places to see them whine about it and asking how to get unbanned/avoid bans.
     
  2. WiiDSmoker

    WiiDSmoker
    Member

    Then those are just simple idiots. Don’t pirate or use hacks and expect no consequences
     
  3. Aters

    Aters
    Member

    Hmm, will my launch Switch become more expensive in the market? Could be a good deal if I can sell my old Switch and buy a new one with the same money.
     
  4. WiiDSmoker

    WiiDSmoker
    Member

    Until a software hack is found, yes it will. It wouldn’t surprise me is a software loophole has already be found but never revealed though.
     
  5. Question: since Nvidia was responsible for the security flaw, do they have to pay Nintendo some sort of compensation?
     
  6. WiiDSmoker

    WiiDSmoker
    Member

    We won’t ever know the true truth, but I would seriously doubt it.
     
  7. Bitanator

    Bitanator
    Member

    So homebrew is not possible on the 5.0 update?
     
  8. Dizagaox

    Dizagaox
    Member

    This sounds like it was the Switch equivalent of doing a jailbreak. Are there any figures on how many people actually bother to do this?
     
  9. Vena

    Vena
    Community Resettler Member OP

    Without the hardware flaw, no.

    With the hardware flaw, it doesn't matter.
     
  10. Bitanator

    Bitanator
    Member

    Just casually keeping tabs on this, once they can get Dolphin and DS emulators running somewhat smoothly for the essential games I will be excited
     
  11. Krooner

    Krooner
    Member

    Glad there's been a ban wave, maybe be able to pick up a cheap banned unit for offline only emulation etc. Share the accessories between the units.
     
  12. c0de

    c0de
    Member

    Well, then we are back to use Nintendo software based flaws? Not the worst situation to be in ;)
     
  13. Simba1

    Simba1
    Member

    Point that Nintendo patched existing T210 and not included T214 yet maybe points that T214 will be used for real Switch revision where we will have some other difrences and not just fixed T210 vulnerability.
     
  14. Ninjadom

    Ninjadom
    Member

    Apart from the T214 not having the flaw, is there any other differences to the chip? Is it smaller?
     
  15. Wulfric

    Wulfric
    Member

    Damn, that sucks. Grab a Switch now if you wanna tinker with it.
     
  16. iswasdoes

    iswasdoes
    Member

    A switch that has its full official functionality (online play etc) AND full homebrew/emulator support will be a beast of a machine

    It’s a shame that it has to be a nefarious workaround, as all I want is to play some old games on it and add Plex and Netflix, all of which should be on there already
     
  17. Epilexia

    Epilexia
    Member

    It doesn't matter if Switch will sell at the end of its commercial life 120 million of units. There are still 15-16 million of units with the potential of ruining the online experience.

    People is talking a lot about 'Splatoon 2', but I can't care less for multiplayer games.

    I'm the type of person preferring single player experiences.

    Because of this, online leaderboards in arcade games are an essential part of the fun with Nintendo Switch.

    As soon as tools to edit save files in the games start to appear, goodbye to reliable online leaderboards in most of the games.

    Unless Nintendo is able to find an effective way of preventing any connection from hacked Switchs.

    Also, a single uploaded hacked score in an arcade game can ruin the experience forever, it doesn't matter if you later ban this user.
     
  18. Mendrox

    Mendrox
    Member

    It's already too late. Some games already have fucked up leaderboards. Still as long as these idiots do that online they will get banned soon.
     
  19. Ninjadom

    Ninjadom
    Member

    What games?
     
  20. Mendrox

    Mendrox
    Member

    Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Luigis Ballon World
     
  21. BocoDragon

    BocoDragon
    Member

    This news forced me to pick up a Switch yesterday. I’m not champing at the bit to homebrew it, I mostly just wanted it for its legit functions.. but future options are nice.

    Out of the box the firmware is 4.1. Is there a way to check if I have the patched BootROM or not?

    Correct me if I’m wrong:

    If I have the unpatched bootROM, that means I can update to official firmware if I want, and still hack it later at any time (maybe with that physical hardmod that bridges the joycon pins?)

    If I have the patched BootROM, then I have to stay on 4.1 and wait for a soft mod custom firmware. If I update to 5.0 or greater then I might be out of luck indefinitely..... is that right?
     
  22. Vena

    Vena
    Community Resettler Member OP

    Yes.

    And the only way to check is to try and hack it. 4.1 is the suspicious firmware (as in its what we know is on patched units) so it may be worthwhile to test it.
     
  23. No clear way yet, other than hacking it with the RCM trick to see if it works.

    Older Unfixed Hardware = Should be hackable on any firmware but always best not to update to newer firmware straight away, until it's been confirmed to work fine. Current 5.1.0 works fine though.

    Newer Fixed Hardware = Stay on 4.1, unless they find another software exploit that works on later firmware.
     
  24. Pokemaniac

    Pokemaniac
    Member

    They've improved quite a bit from 3DS and Wii U. Switch is much more hardened now than those systems ever were.
     
  25. c0de

    c0de
    Member

    We will see, I guess. I mean teams like failoverflow didn't even really look at it because of the easy method they discovered.
     
  26. Vena

    Vena
    Community Resettler Member OP

    They have actually. Everyone has, 5.x is a lauded firmware for just how hardened it actually is.
     
  27. c0de

    c0de
    Member

    It also took a while with PS4 to get its firmware hacked. I am glad Nintendo is finally doing a better job but I still think we'll see it hacked at some point in future again. It's too much of an interesting target already.
     
  28. Vena

    Vena
    Community Resettler Member OP

    PS4 kernel exploits aren't being released, not because they don't exist but because they're being kept until patched or for posterity. There's a notable difference.
     
  29. c0de

    c0de
    Member

    I know that there is a difference but what are you trying to tell me here? That switch is now forever safe? It's a hunt like with almost all consoles and there is definitely interest in hacking the switch. Nobody is pretending it's easy. In my opinion it will happen in the future and you are free to disagree with that.
     
  30. Vena

    Vena
    Community Resettler Member OP

    No. Just that in terms of currently know kernel flaws a total of one has been found, on an old firmware (all other exploits required exploiting nVidia's dumbass drivers but that was patched out in 5.x). No others are currently known of and its not like its being kept secret as to what is or isn't compromised.
     
  31. c0de

    c0de
    Member

    Yes and I think this will change in the future and I also hope that for the homebrew community.
     
  32. Vena

    Vena
    Community Resettler Member OP

    Who knows. Nintendo's been extremely on-top of their software security, another flaw may slip in it may not. It may just provide homebrew userland access, or it may be more severe. But as of 5.x, prospects are currently not good.
     
  33. Pokemaniac

    Pokemaniac
    Member

    Of course it could change, but you seemed to be implying it would be easy because Nintendo wasn't good with security when the situation has actually changed a lot this time.
     
  34. c0de

    c0de
    Member

    Well, considering their past, it is only natural to assume that. Again, it's good that they are now taking security seriously but my mind won't change - the switch will not be safe until end of it's life. But this is speculation anyway. Currently millions of devices can be hacked in an easy way and I like that a lot. This now seems to be fixed, at least. Until next round.
     
  35. Cyanity

    Cyanity
    Member

    Pre-owned switches are gonna hold their value for a long time if Nintendo manages to successfully patch bootloader exploits on their new hardware.
     
  36. BocoDragon

    BocoDragon
    Member

    To clarify... since I’m on 4.1, I’d have to use a hardmod (joycon pin bridging) technique to try and hack this, until the 4.00+ softmod custom firmware is released?

    No pure software method to try and hack it on 4.1 right now?
     
  37. Vena

    Vena
    Community Resettler Member OP

    NA units are showing up with the boot fixed as well. I thought NA might take a bit longer but, uh, guess not.

    Yes.
     
  38. jedivulcan

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  39. Vena

    Vena
    Community Resettler Member OP

    That's not all.

    Nintendo's HackerOne updated: https://hackerone.com/nintendo/thanks/2018

    A lot of big names from 3DS and Switch are now White Hats for Nintendo. Smea has changed sides in the great war!

    (Also this update means we're probably about to get a major firmware dropped on our heads with a LOT of fixes.)
     
  40. maximumzero

    maximumzero
    Member

    Shit, for $200,000 I can't blame 'em.
     
  41. mindatlarge

    mindatlarge
    Member

    Think that 200k is a typo, from Nintendo's Hackerone page:

    "Nintendo will pay rewards to the first reporter of qualifying vulnerability information ranging from $100 USD to $20,000 USD."
     
  42. Vena

    Vena
    Community Resettler Member OP

    Wasn't submitted to Nintendo because these are nVidia flaws. Nintendo's HackerOne is for their software, they don't fix nVidia's hardware nor are they going to pay for it for white hat reporting.
     
  43. Ninjadom

    Ninjadom
    Member

    How much does Nvidia pay?
     
  44. c0de

    c0de
    Member

    After reading many of your posts in several threads: are you happy that Nintendo is now "safe" so to say? Or that they are now at least in a better position than all the years before? And: why?
     
  45. AuthenticM

    AuthenticM
    Member

    I bought a second Switch a couple of weeks ago, new, and it came with system software version 4.1.0. I'm good?
     
  46. Vena

    Vena
    Community Resettler Member OP

    Probably fine, these things just started showing up in various countries.
     
  47. AuthenticM

    AuthenticM
    Member

    Right. Let's say I got a revised Switch. Since I'm on system software 4.1.0, I could still hack it by software, right?
     
  48. Vena

    Vena
    Community Resettler Member OP

    Ay.
     
  49. AuthenticM

    AuthenticM
    Member

    fantastic!

    I guess I'm finally updating my prime Switch to system software 5.0. I cut it off from the Internet a while ago lol.
     
  50. Saoshyant

    Saoshyant
    Member

    What's the easiest way to recognize one of the newer models? Are there region differences? I'm in Europe and would like to buy a vulnerable system -- have most stores refreshed their stock? Or is still easy to find the older models? Is ebay the only option left?