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Borderlands 3 - Pre-Release Information and Discussion Thread
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I wanted to do my first playthrough as FL4K before knowing this, now I'm sure.
FL4K or Zane for me.
Not interested in a giant mech stomping around my whole game, and Amara doesn't look good in the slightest.
Not interested in a giant mech stomping around my whole game, and Amara doesn't look good in the slightest.
yeah for endgame i suppose the cloak will be the way to go, well for raid bosses most certainly. almost every single arpg out there has terrible scaling with pets, given BL 3 got torment like levels of difficulties I expect no less
Still, should be fun to level up
Her elemental skill tree is so great though. It was definitely the least interesting at first glance but you've got the potential to have 3 element guns (maliwan + infusion), a ton of ricochet bullets, bloodsplosion type stuff, spreading status effects etc.
I wanna do the slam and ranged melee stuff and arm deflection skills but her rush stacking also seems super interesting and definitely benefits a spammy action skill playstyle.
Ugh yeah that unfortunately brings me back to reality. The cloak tree will be pretty much the go-to for raiding. Unless dominance works on bosses ðŸ¤
i'm just trying to figure out what is for both and what isn't like all the splash damage related stuff has to be for both no? All the iron bear weapons are related to it in there. I'm just wondering if you can make a splash damage build with the splash damage minigun augment happen.
I really want to make the dakka build happen, but I'm not sure whether the splash one or the normal one will be better. -75% fire rate is a bit much and the dakka factor suffers.
Also I'm not sure if an augment only works for that weapon arm or if it works for both arms if it's the same weapon.
Oh that's right she can dual wield her specials...well double grenade launchers here we come! 😈
Dual wield launcher, dual wield miniguns, dual wield bear fist. It's all so cool lol.
Yeah me too for the first paragraph. I was actually thinking of making an explosive minigun build as well lol
And I think it only applies to that arm, otherwise there would be no benefit to using two different weapons.
I just hope the skill trees/weapons for all characters are relatively balanced at launch. I don't want to have like 5 of the 6 Iron Bear weapons be vastly inferior to one of them etc.
There's two decent Spiderant augments though and if you focus on the blue tree you can always just use a Skag or Jabber
A lot of the descriptions are vague on the site but I just watched a bit of a video of joltzdude talking about FL4K's skill tree and the in-game descriptions were more detailed
no idea if that's for everything though
He looks like the worst character out of all 4 to me and his trailer was the least interesting too. Game still looks like a complete package, that IGN video with all the weapons, damn!!!
I don't know how he seems like the worst. The Stalker tree alone sounds too fucking dirty. Some phasewalk on steroids shit.
Not talking about the skill trees, I haven't looked at them, trying to keep it fresh for when I get the game. Just talking about characters in general and their respective trailers.
I agree that Fl4K's trailer was really really weak compared to the others. That's why I hope it's not the last trailer 'til the Launch trailer.
Especially with the augment where you can keep firing invis for 8 seconds. Like...what lol.
Especially when the cooldown is so short.
However going invisible doesn't actually reduce splash damage and novas and I doubt the extended invis keeps the same movement and gun and health regen buffs as the skill itself. It's probably just the complete threat reduction and nothing else.
Could be wrong though. Either way it's dirty
Yeah probably, otherwise it would be too crazy I think, especially compared to the other 2 action skills.
Also regarding your other post, let's pray for a good balance on Moze's stuff as well.
I'll try both dual minigun builds and the dual rapid fire fist one for sure.
It didn't even matter because her phasewalk cooldown was so absurdly short at high levels with the right skills
I haven't played her in awhile, but I used that skill that made her explode upon decloaking. Basically nonstop explosions.
LOL
Yeah there was another skill to reduce her cooldown time by something rediculous like 6 seconds per kill and it could be boosted with a class mod too
All the trailers were odd in that the humor was not present as much as I'd expect from Borderlands, but I get it if they're shifting the direction a bit. I'm still 100% in on the game.
But wow FL4K's skill trees are pretty boss. He's Zer0 + Mordecai + Pet. I'll likely end up trying all the classes out - BL always took a while to get to that fun point with classes where you felt you had interesting choices - but yeah FL4K to start seems up my alley.
My "play" history for BL fun chars (to max level) went Moredecai -> Lilith -> Maya -> Gage -> Salvador
But wow FL4K's skill trees are pretty boss. He's Zer0 + Mordecai + Pet. I'll likely end up trying all the classes out - BL always took a while to get to that fun point with classes where you felt you had interesting choices - but yeah FL4K to start seems up my alley.
My "play" history for BL fun chars (to max level) went Moredecai -> Lilith -> Maya -> Gage -> Salvador
I might try to do a Tank build Fl4k just to be counterintuitive and break the mold a little. Spiderant Countess plus the green tree skills that spread damage to your pets, plus health regen skills, damage reduction, and lifesteal.
Gamma Burst w/ Radiation Aura and an Eridian Skag that can cast Singularities also sounds like fun.
Or Beefcake and Cloak so you can snipe and have a pet Krieg take all the aggro.
Gamma Burst w/ Radiation Aura and an Eridian Skag that can cast Singularities also sounds like fun.
Or Beefcake and Cloak so you can snipe and have a pet Krieg take all the aggro.
You can mix up some things pretty well.
This is my build:
Moze Splash Damage Minigun Build
Basically that one augment from the red tree that makes minigun 100% of the time splash damage should work really well with the splash damage perks from the green tree because you trigger them with every single shot while in the mech. You also get every single bit of action skill reduction you can get to use it as often as possible. Especially "Explosive Punctuation", the second last green skill, works really well with the guaranteed splash damage from the minigun augment (Or I read that wrong and you can't reduce the skilltime while it's active. In that case it's still pretty good for just having some splash damage with moze herself.)
I don't know whether the final skill in the green tree works with the miniguns, but if not I can just max the red one instead.
Stuff like the manned turret is optional of course.
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Oh that's pretty smart, I did not pay attention about the red skill and the splash damage.
I did not know you could equip the same weapon twice on Iron bear, that's pretty neat.
Any ideas of "combos" with the skills "thin red line" and "desperate measures" and "drowning in brass" from the shield of retribution tree? I feel the damage can also ramp up pretty fast with them
Even if you don't use the minigun mod, I assume the grenade and rocket launchers should work just as well.
When it comes to the blue tree, this is what I will probably try at some point, not sure if the reserved health from "thin red line" feeds into the "desperate measures" bonus though:
Moze Shield/Fist build
I suppose you can just change the fists to the railgun without an issue, but I think the fists are cooler lol, especially with the shockhammer augment. Since you already go in on the whole shield angle might as well go melee imo. If you plan to focus on the mech in any shape or form the first part of the green tree and the bubble shield one in the blue tree are kind of a must.
Yeah this build has a lot of similarities with the one I made except I'm using the Railgun with incendiary damages instead of the fist. And I tried to also pick some red skills (about the incendiary damages)
Something like that: MybadBuild
Looks good.
Honestly though, some stuff is strange. If you want to go with the corrosive thrower all the incendiary damage becomes pointless so there's only one tree you can go down in red to reach it and the dualwield bonus. As others said, there's some disconnect between Moze and her Mech skilltree wise. We have to see how it plays out in a month I guess.
FL4K looks great, I'm gonna play as him, as I did use Mordecai and Zer0 and it looks like FL4K's the exact mashup
That IGN video on guns can sell the game on it's own lol
That IGN video on guns can sell the game on it's own lol
he has 3 pets out in the trailer (plus the 2 birds but I would assume those are more like an attack) but do we know how many pets you CAN have out, like actual permanent pets (assuming any of them are permanent, like any good pet class should be)?
edit: oh the skill trees are out?
fuuuuuuuuuuuuck only 1 pet it seems, fuck that noise
edit: oh the skill trees are out?
fuuuuuuuuuuuuck only 1 pet it seems, fuck that noise
I didn't realize action skills and augments required skill points; that's really unfortunate as I thought they just unlocked as you move down the tree. My rocket spam didn't work out at as well as I first planned due to that. I think it'll still work, but now I can't wait for the inevitable level cap increase. Moze / Rocket Spam
I sucks but can you imagine how four fl4ks with 3 pets each would look on screen?
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