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Botham Jean's brother embraces Amber Guyger after she was sentenced 10 years for the murder of his brother
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I can't even take this post seriously with the huge "outrage culture is getting out of hand" stench it's giving off.
you know non blacks love to posterize and moralize about shit that don't affect them
Why does that even need to be reiterated here. Isn't it obvious based on the majority of responses in this thread thus far? This just seems like a veiled apology for the outright attacks on the family in this very thread, but you do you.
Have you had family members' lives taken from you by someone before and felt that type of hatred before? I have, so fuck off with that bullshit.
And you're clearly willing to sacrifice someone else's health, safety, and welfare to express your "outrage". If you knew my background and what I did, you'd realize how ignorant your generalization is. You can absolutely be an activist and use social media to enact change. But blindly quoting others without putting in any actual work on your own end "ain't it, chief" as they say.
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My guy said 'faux activist, social media bullshit' like that even means anything.
Yeah lol, 'enlightened' takes like those aren't shit when they intentionally misrepresent the grievances many have with this forgiveness fetish that White people just love.
Quote the users who've attacked the family.
Of course. We get to the phase where people weaponize this to beat other black folks over the head with.
It's always the same sanctimonious bullshit.
It's always the same sanctimonious bullshit.
In the aftermath of this case, and the fact that people are crying tears over this woman and none for the victim, and the fact that black people are now being guilted for not being pious negroes in tge face of a society that wouldn't stop killing us if we were all perfect, I don't care what it seems like to you.
Yeah, fuck every word of this garbage post for ignoring the societal implications of what is happening and has been happening and will keep happening.
Yup, so it's really not that surprising. I rather see this guy at peace than in a horrible mental state due to the tragedy.
You mean the Twitter posts above yours from Bree Newsome? 'Faux activist' Bree Newsome?
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I'm genuinely puzzled how you equate standing up for this family's right to grieve as advocating for any of that. Are you not capable of discerning the massive chasm between the two? This is just silly.
Nope! I know who she is. I'm active on Twitter. I mean the people who quote the people doing the thought work here as though that equates a conversation. It doesn't. Do your own thinking. Process things for yourself. Stop leaning on others to do the dirty work for you.
And fuck your post and every other post in this thread for using a platform to attack a family who lost a beautiful human being who actually did something with their lives other than post Twitter quotes on a fucking message board.
To those that view forgiveness as the only appropriate path, should she be allowed to become a cop and carry a weapon again once she completes her sentence? Is anyone that would disagree with that a less good person?
We love telling other black people to not be uppity when a grieving family's forgiveness is being weaponised, don't we folks.
This is the salient point.
They are completely free to find peace with the situation through forgiveness. I do believe that letting go of hatred in your heart toward the individual who committed the action is the best way to find personal peace and move forward with your life. But that's a personal decision between you and the individual who harmed you. It shouldn't be taken publicly because personal forgiveness and letting go of personal hatred is an entirely different thing from releasing a person or the system from accountability.
I don't believe the family experiencing grief is under any societal obligation to behave one way or another. The vitriol should be aimed at the people (which as best I can tell are exclusively white) who are running this up the flagpole to mean something that it doesn't. One man searching for peace in his heart does not absolve this woman of her actions or the police for their systemic abuse and racism.
Either show me where I or anyone else has attacked the family or shut up.
Good on him, he needs to forgive to move on with his life, or else if you cant forgive you'd live as an angry bitter miserable person and that's no way to exist. Very admirable, idk if i'd have the strength...
Do your own homework. You don't have to dig that far back to find posts calling their actions weak.
You can't position yourself as a champion of anything after dismissing everything in this thread as "faux activist" dribble.
100% spot fucking on
It's silly logic to (1) misinterpret my very specific punch at people failing to engage and instead, merely posting the thoughts of others as a generalized attack on activism and simultaneously (2) use your misinterpretation to dismiss any position I might have.
Do you actually engage in these sorts of discussion face to face?
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Preach. Much respect and love to the family, but some of y'all gotta stop falling for the okie dope. There is a reason that forgiveness is being stressed.
So basically anyone who doesn't forgive horrific things is an angry, bitter, miserable person?
I don't think sharing Twitter posts is faux activism. Here is a well-thought out post from this very thread that isn't attacking anyone. Is there anything in particular you disagree with in these?
EDIT: Included another post.
Of course, there is. That doesn't give you or anyone else the right to determine how the family grieves or chooses to exercise forgiveness.
Don't have the full context, but I don't see much in this post that I disagree with, no. Attack the system. Attack the media coverage. Attack the institutionalized racism that led us down this path. You can do all of those things without casting judgment on the family.
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Forgiveness has a place in this world, but so does the rage, anger and indignation which comes from being denied the basic right and sympathy afforded to others just based on the colour of our skin or whether we are born with a dick down there. It's why we riot, why we protest why complain and why I as a black man will never be quick to forgive those who were quick to harm my family or worse kill those like me because what we look like not who we are.
As I have said repeatedly I respect the brother and I can respect nature of the forgiveness but even with such goodness on display what yesterday will show to the world is even when the family of those that hurt you don't show the same thoughtfulness, even when they try to lie and discredit your actions , even when they hide their lies and hate, you should forgive. Why? Because it's the right thing to do. Cause it makes people feel warm inside as the police continue to harrass and kill with impunity......
No good deed goes unpunished.....the phrase springs to mind and unfortunately in my mind it's the most apt way to describe his actions. His public choice to forgive pious as it is will be weaponised to quell and discourage people rightly seeking retribution , already we had people on the live coverage using his actions to garner sympathy for the police officer. Yesterday won't be remembered as the day justice was served , yesterday will be remembered as the day a victim was sent to prison. And whilst I can respect their actions , I cannot help but feel frustrated. But that's life, cause and effect.
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I don't know that the entirety of this is about strength.
This woman, who shared racist memes and talked about killing civilians, shot a black guy watching TV, lied about how it happened, didn't attempt to administer any aid. I don't give a shit whether it's his brother or not - to come out and say he doesn't want her to go to jail seems like super misguided way-too-try-hard Christian bullshit.
It's fine to look at the brother and say he's a great guy for forgiving and what-not but let's not lose sight of the perpetrator. She's a racist piece of incompetent trash who murdered a guy in his own home, lied about it and didn't attempt to help him afterwards. Then she put on the ol' white-women-tears act in court and now will likely be out in 5 years. That's fucking bullshit and an injustice, regardless of what the victim's brother or any other family member says.
Far less people are attacking the family than you are pretending but you have nothing else so I understand what you're doing here
Forgiving someone who didn't even have the grace to plead guilty is foolish, and I would earnestly say that to the family, or anyone.
Good for him, if this helps him deal with his loss then I am all for it.
But this should not be held up as an example for everyone, or the standard what a "good person" is supposed to do. Because if he chose to remain angry and not forgive her that would be 100% appropriate.
But this should not be held up as an example for everyone, or the standard what a "good person" is supposed to do. Because if he chose to remain angry and not forgive her that would be 100% appropriate.
So are we at the point where the warm fuzzy hugs have become the narrative over the difficult conversation of the deep-seated racism that causes these types of incidents in the first place?
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1...2...or 50, it doesn't matter. One group commoditizing a horrible situation doesn't make yours or anyone else's attempt to commoditize a family's grief right.
Clearly, you don't even understand what forgiveness means, so I can see why you would feel that way.
Absolutely.
If people continue treating this as some outlier and focus on this particular case without considering what it really is they should be asking for? Absolutely. Pushing for harsher sentencing is how we go to the bullshit mandatory minimums for things like marijuana possession in the first instance. If you know institutionalized racism exists (and it very clearly does), do you really want an excessively harsh sentence here? What does that mean for the next person of color when subjected to sentencing? What do we accomplish warehousing ANYONE??? Literally ANYONE??? Do you really want this to be all about punishment? Do you really feel as though no one can be rehabilitated? Those are the bigger, broader questions here with exponentially more impact on genuine change.
It ain't finger wagging. It's just common sense.
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I mean, you say this but also respond "100% spot fucking on" to this:
Which implies you are casting some form of judgement yourself. The post specifically says "needs to forgive" and "if you can't forgive you'd live as an angry bitter miserable person". I don't agree with these at all. You don't need to forgive to move on, and not forgiving does not make you a bitter person. They chose to grieve one way but they would not have been in the wrong, and he wouldn't have been a worse person, for never forgiving her.
I'm in agreement with this post:
I admire the brother but I would want justice first. Give her time to stew and gain some true perspective in the slammer for a bit. Forgiveness comes much much later for me.
Church was the only place white slave owners would generally leave us the fuck alone. Otherwise we couldn't get together without them think that we were plotting on them. It was in most cases our only refuge.
I really don't think I could ever judge or have any opinion on how someone reacts to having their brother murdered in Cold blood when facing their murderer. I had a similar moment in my family with a man who dated my aunt and decided to murder her when he found out she was pregnant, my grandma(a minister) showed nothing but forgiveness to her murderer. There's soo much pain involved, I can't even quantify it.
How embarrassed are these white supremicists when they goto heaven and the people they beat, raped, and demonized are up there with them, talk about awkward
Probably be expected to forgive them in heaven too
"Hey man you gotta know that was my physical form, that's not who I am, we good?"
This guy is in heaven but the non-believers who lifted me up are being tortured for all eternity, thanks for that bro
Probably be expected to forgive them in heaven too
"Hey man you gotta know that was my physical form, that's not who I am, we good?"
This guy is in heaven but the non-believers who lifted me up are being tortured for all eternity, thanks for that bro
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I can see why that would be difficult for some people to understand, but it isn't a judgment. Whether you choose to hate and not forgive or forgive -- of course both of these are perfectly acceptable, and no one's decision but the person/s who's been grieved alone. But it would be silly to say that's some concrete state that can't be changed. You can hold onto it for day, months, years, or take it to your grave. I held onto mine for years but fortunately got to the point that I could let it go because that was what was best for me. There's no right or wrong to that, in my mind.
These aren't contradictory positions.
This act of forgiveness wasn't for her. It wasn't for me, it wasn't for you. It was for him. Speaking as someone who lost a family member to senseless murder, I know how hard it is to let that anger and thirst for revenge go. It's not easy, and it may never come, but I've learned in my life that it doesn't do me any good to hold that kind of hatred inside of me.
if this helps open the path for him to move forward, then good on him. Whatever he feels he needs to do.
the 10 year sentence is garbage, and continues to highlight how much a black life is valued in this country, but this moment by Botham Jean's brother isn't for anyone but him. I wish him and his family all the healing in the world. Ditto for all of the families whose lives have been torn apart by racism and senseless murder.
if this helps open the path for him to move forward, then good on him. Whatever he feels he needs to do.
the 10 year sentence is garbage, and continues to highlight how much a black life is valued in this country, but this moment by Botham Jean's brother isn't for anyone but him. I wish him and his family all the healing in the world. Ditto for all of the families whose lives have been torn apart by racism and senseless murder.
See like I said you have nothing so you always just wrap everyone in as "attacking the family"
Agreed. If this is what helps them cope and get closure then let them be. Brandt and his family don't owe ya'll shit.
I believe in rehabilitation, forgiveness, and recompense. But considering the recency of these events, and with how much of this woman's racist past has come up, and the 10 year sentence, and the devaluation of black lives in the criminal justice system, it feels inappropriate to say 'he needs to forgive, if you can't forgive you'll be angry, bitter, miserable, etc. ', which is what that post stated and I'll stand by my disagreement with it.
I'll never disagree that forgiveness is a good thing, I'll never argue with people who say it worked for them, and I'm happy if it can give Brandt closure. I disagree with anyone saying it's necessary, at least this soon.
