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Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere |OT| Journey Before Destination

Oct 27, 2017
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So I was looking to start a new series this thanksgiving. My brother-in-law just started Malazzan and is loving it, but warned how incredibly complex it can feel jumping in. His enthusiasm for that series intrigued me but also made me think of this thread and maybe diving into something more palatable first.

So I’ll probably start with the Mistborn trilogy and go from there. Seems the OP recommends that to start. I’ve not read a ton of fantasy books but i am looking to change that. Anything to help prep or jus dive in?
 
Oct 26, 2017
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So I was looking to start a new series this thanksgiving. My brother-in-law just started Malazzan and is loving it, but warned how incredibly complex it can feel jumping in. His enthusiasm for that series intrigued me but also made me think of this thread and maybe diving into something more palatable first.

So I’ll probably start with the Mistborn trilogy and go from there. Seems the OP recommends that to start. I’ve not read a ton of fantasy books but i am looking to change that. Anything to help prep or jus dive in?
From my experience Sanderson books are consistently, heavily endloaded. That is - most of the interesting things tend to happen in the last 1/4 or 1/5 of the book and the rest can be a bit of slog filled with setup, exposition and not that many things actually happening. It can be particularly discouraging when you start new series, having yet no attachment to characters and all the lore, rules of the unfamiliar and weird setting are constantly fed to you.
 

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From my experience Sanderson books are consistently, heavily endloaded. That is - most of the interesting things tend to happen in the last 1/4 or 1/5 of the book and the rest can be a bit of slog filled with setup, exposition and not that many things actually happening. It can be particularly discouraging when you start new series, having yet no attachment to characters and all the lore, rules of the unfamiliar and weird setting are constantly fed to you.
This is kind of why I like the Stormlight books the most - even the first has some consistently exciting stuff in the first 2/3 of the book, and I'd argue that the best fight in the second happens well before the finale. The third has an Avalanche that basically covers the entire back half of the book, or it felt that way at the time.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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You all who finished Skyward know that it's a sequel to the short story Defending Elysium, available free on Brandon's website right? I couldn't quite tell from the discussion on the last page. I thought Defending Elysium was very good, and Brandon thinks it's maybe his best short fiction, and I think after Skyward might actually be the best time to read it.
 
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Really enjoying Skyward so far, but everyone is setting their jaw again.

Come on Brandon, there are other ways to convey determination.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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This is kind of why I like the Stormlight books the most - even the first has some consistently exciting stuff in the first 2/3 of the book, and I'd argue that the best fight in the second happens well before the finale. The third has an Avalanche that basically covers the entire back half of the book, or it felt that way at the time.
Funny cause the Way of Kings is like the most egregious example of that tendency for me, between Kaladin's slave 'adventures' and Shallan's isolated library lessons the only reasonably interesting things was the high politics and Radiant lore that Dalinar&Adolin brought. Kaladin's storyline at least had fun stuff in store for the endgame, Shallan's not so much. On the other hand, Word of Radiance is so far the only Sanderson book to have escaped that flaw of his for me and as such it's easily my favorite books from him.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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So I finally finished Oathbringer last night. It took so long because I decided to wait for the GraphicAudio version to be released this time around, and while the wait sucked, I think it was a good decision overall. GA is getting significantly better at their craft.

I enjoyed the book immensely, but I did get the sense that Sanderson was struggling a bit with all the moving pieces. The novel doesn't have a particularly cohesive plot arch. The climactic ending was wonderfully bombastic, but the book didn't build towards that climax so much as it just happened.

I'm not sure what to make of the extent to which Shallan comes to embody her personas. Is it just a mental/confidence issue, or is it related to her powers as a Radiant? At times, it feels almost like she has multiple personality disorder—but that's clearly not actually the case. I'd be curious to know if real life actors or spies experience anything close to this—I would imagine they don't.

I do really like Shallan as a character, I'm not sure why a lot of people find her annoying. Her plot in book 1 was uninteresting, but it has been better ever since.

I enjoyed the Warbreaker appearances, although it's getting to the point where SA almost feels like a semi-Warbreaker sequel, in terms of showing us what happens to the major characters. I'm curious how the actual Warbreaker sequel is going to work out, given that...

I'll likely have more to say over the next few days, as I mull the book over in my head. I'm a little confused about a couple elements, probably because it's been a while since I read Words of Radiance.

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On a separate note, I've spent a considerable amount of time splitting the GraphicAudio releases of Stormlight 1–3, Mistborn 1–4, and Warbreaker into individual chapters. This was a somewhat excruciating process, as GA frustratingly removes all chapter breaks from the stories, but I find the books much more digestible this way. It's easier to skip back to previous chapters to review something, and I can set individual chapters to play to the end before I fall asleep.

If anyone happens to want copies of these, drop me a PM. I'll ask for some kind of proof of purchase—a screenshot will do—so that I know I'm not abetting piracy, but it would be nice if all this work went to more use.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Well, Sanderson did say Warbreaker is kind of a prequel. As for the actual Warbreaker sequel, the latest word of Brandon is that of all announced Cosmere books it is probably the least likely to be written. Which is a shame because it is the one that interests me the most.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Well, Sanderson did say Warbreaker is kind of a prequel. As for the actual Warbreaker sequel, the latest word of Brandon is that of all announced Cosmere books it is probably the least likely to be written. Which is a shame because it is the one that interests me the most.
Do you have a source for that? I searched the most recents words of Brandon but all I can see is that a Warbreaker sequel won't release before Stormlight 5, which was already known
 
Oct 27, 2017
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One other Stormlight thought: I really feel like the series is missing information on the commonly held myths and legends about the desolations, knights radiants, voidbringers, etc., before all this crazy stuff started happening. Sanderson drops it in bits and pieces, but I don't feel like I have a cohesive understanding at all.

If the myths/legends themselves were themselves incohesive, then it's that much more important to know exactly what those legends did say.

Perhaps it would have been too on-the-nose, but I particularly would have appreciated an interlude chapter "excerpt from a Vorrin child's storybook" or something like that.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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State of the Sanderson 2018
Another year has passed, and Koloss Head Munching Day is upon us again. It’s been a fun year, full of me working on interesting side projects, so expect quite the list of updates in this (very long) post. But first, let me give a hearty thank you to the community of readers that continues to put up with my sometimes insane writing process. I realize it results in me having a lot of projects, necessitating posts like this one to keep everyone up to date. For many writers, this might be an overwhelming number of irons in the proverbial fire—but it is exactly what I need to keep me excited about the process, and to keep me from burning out.
https://brandonsanderson.com/state-of-the-sanderson-2018/
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Death without Pizza sounds really fun but I fear that this will be another book that teases something bigger only for nothing to come out of it like Rithmatist .
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Wax and Wayne

*beats head into wall*
Yep, right now I'm betting we won't see w&w book 4 or alcatraz 6 until 2020 or 2021, depending when we get Stormlight 4.

Well, as long as we get more Sanderson to read, it's fine, I guess. Just wish those two series could finally get an ending. Still more hopeful for those than for Doors of Stone, for example.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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It's being written either right after or simultaneously with Stormlight 4, which is basically the best you could possibly hope for for a book that isn't Stormlight 4.
I hear where you are coming from - I’m just not used to him repeatedly delaying a title that had such a spectacular hook from the previous installment. First we were looking at 2018 then 2019.... now it’s possible out to 2021. That one two punch of Bands and Secret History left me THIRSTY HAHAH.

Make no mistake this is not a “GRRM OWES ME” type post, I’m kinda laughing at myself in how badly I want it versus the delays. If he’s not ready to write it I don’t actually want him writing it yet. I know we will eventually get it, whereas with other authors I’ve basically lost hope.
 
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Oct 31, 2017
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I finished Warbreaker a couple days ago and I have a question.

Who killed the guard in Mercystar's palace and why? That was a major point of Lightsong's investigation in the beginning, but then he dropped it. Did Sanderson forget about that plot point while writing the book? It seemed like it was eventually going to be a major reveal, but it went nowhere.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Mistborn as a film series seems... yikes. Don't get me wrong, I love Mistborn but even the book has some YA trope issues (especially in the second book of the first trilogy) and I can't see Hollywood taking any angle other than Hunger Game Clone with it.

I feel like both IP's are a better fit for TV. Mistborn in a Netflix/Hulu format (allows for faster turn around between seasons and less pressure to generate more seasons than necessary). Stormlight as Premium Cable, as it needs a huge budget and time to breathe (while also allowing Brandon to stay ahead of the show).

Unfortunately Mistborn's probably DoA as the Heroine led YA film genre has passed for studios. Stormlight is daunting so I really can't see anyone being able to do that one justice.
 

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Tbh I don't actually like Mistborn that much, but it feels much more movie-adaptable than Stormlight, which is just... too big. For that I actually think that an animated series would be ideal, it'd be wildly expensive to try and do in live action (assuming they don't just ditch a lot of what makes Roshar weird).
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I don’t see any of the big Cosmere stories doing well as TV or film adaptations, to be quite honest. They’re all too big and complicated.

I could see Mistborn working as a GoT level TV show, but that’s the kind of budget they would need to pull it off. Stormlight flat-out isn’t going to work, IMO.


Edit: Y’know what? Even though I only posted a minute ago... I take this back. I could see Mistborn working as a movie. The first book is basically just a big heist... they can easily adjust the story as needed. I can’t see Stormlight Archive working, though.
 
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Maybe the biggest issue with a Cosmere adaptation is that you'd really want it all in one medium, so the audience can follow along. There's a reason Marvel and DC didn't really tie in movie and TV continuities.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It took me a year to read Oathbringer but I got through it.

Loved it, especially in the last third of the book when the action picks up. Though once again, the final battle did remind me of an anime scene.

Also, I have to state again that I’m sure glad I read Warbreaker before reading the Stormlight Archive. It seems like that one novel has the most direct crossover with Stormlight.

I might do a reread of the first Mistborn trilogy now because I’ve forgotten enough of it that Secret History wasn’t a good experience when I tried to go through it earlier that year. But then again there’s way too much I have to read, not even including Sanderson’s own non-cosmere novels he’s been pumping out.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Not Cosmere but I finished Skyward last night, and I really liked it. It is by far his best YA novel.

Be aware if you read it, you need to get past part 1. Part 1 isn't bad per se, but it feels like it was written for ten year olds. Part 2 and on are completely different.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Not Cosmere but I finished Skyward last night, and I really liked it. It is by far his best YA novel.

Be aware if you read it, you need to get past part 1. Part 1 isn't bad per se, but it feels like it was written for ten year olds. Part 2 and on are completely different.
Glad to hear that. Started Skyward yesterday and wasn't really feeling it. I would have finished it anyway but knowing that it will get better definitely helps :D
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Not Cosmere but I finished Skyward last night, and I really liked it. It is by far his best YA novel.

Be aware if you read it, you need to get past part 1. Part 1 isn't bad per se, but it feels like it was written for ten year olds. Part 2 and on are completely different.
Agreed, gets a lot better as the story goes on. Very excited for the sequels.