Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere |OT| Journey Before Destination

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I finally finished Words of Radiance after literally 5 years of stops and starts. Various reasons why that was but I loved it in the end. Somewhere in the middle of all that I went back and read Warbreaker but had the connection spoiled for me right after. I didn't really like Warbreaker
except for Vasher and Nightblood, so I guess it worked out in the end!

Still totally in love with Kaladin and his storyline. Enjoyed Shallan - especially her backstory. Her main story was a bit convenient in places, but she's a fun character. Incredibly excited for more Jasnah though. I was gutted she was barely in this one. Obviously the cover of Oathbringer basically spoiled her fate a bit, but I never really thought she was actually dead. Also hyped to get Dalinar's back story finally!

Anyway I really have enjoyed Stormlight a lot. It can be a bit overwhelming with the lore at times but I got through Malazan, so I feel I can handle anything thrown at me at this point.

I'm also consistently reminded how much better Brandon's writing is since he tackled the Wheel of Time. I always found Mistborn a bit lacking (especially the raw prose) and Warbreaker was pretty woeful imo. But he did a phenomenal job with WoT; and Stormlight, despite being so wildly ambitious, always feels like it has such a sure hand guiding you. I haven't read Mistborn era 2 yet but I'll get to it once I've read Edgedancer and Oathbringer. Hopefully they won't take me 5 years, but journey before destination and all that!
 

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I didn't really like Warbreaker [/spoiler]
I think Warbreaker may be one of my favorite concepts of Sandersons and some of my favorite characters, but I think the execution isn't quite there and I really think the last act is really undercooked. So much of what happens in the last act just feels unearned. It's the one book of Sanderson's so far that I think was actually too short.

I'm also consistently reminded how much better Brandon's writing is since he tackled the Wheel of Time. I always found Mistborn a bit lacking (especially the raw prose) and Warbreaker was pretty woeful imo. But he did a phenomenal job with WoT; and Stormlight, despite being so wildly ambitious, always feels like it has such a sure hand guiding you. I haven't read Mistborn era 2 yet but I'll get to it once I've read Edgedancer and Oathbringer. Hopefully they won't take me 5 years, but journey before destination and all that!
My first exposure to Sanderson was Mistborn and after the end of book 2 and the first part of book 3 I almost just swore of Brandon because I really wasn't liking how it was developing. Cut to like 8 years later and I've pretty much read everything he's done in the span of a year. The writing has definitely evolved and only gotten better.

I think of his more recent stuff, a certain section of Oathbringer is probably my only low point for him.[/QUOTE]
 

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I think Warbreaker may be one of my favorite concepts of Sandersons and some of my favorite characters, but I think the execution isn't quite there and I really think the last act is really undercooked. So much of what happens in the last act just feels unearned. It's the one book of Sanderson's so far that I think was actually too short.
Yeah I completely agree. Despite my problems with the book I'd be very excited to read the sequel whenever he gets around to it.

I actually just blazed through Edgedancer the last couple of nights and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Absolutely loving Lift and Wyndle - the relationships between all the Radiants and their Spren so far are wonderful but this is easily my favourite one. I'd read a whole trilogy about Lift. Hell, Wyndle might be my favourite character in the series at this point. Sighing as he forms into the Shard rod! I'm also really curious to see Nale more - could be a story of redemption coming for the Herald of Justice me thinks...

I usually cringe at a lot of Brandon's humour but something about the dynamic in this was pretty hilarious. Kinda makes me want to read the Mistborn era 2 books now, which I've heard are quite funny.
 

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Good news is I think Lift will be a bigger character in the second half of Stormlight. At least I think I read that.
 

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Yeah I completely agree. Despite my problems with the book I'd be very excited to read the sequel whenever he gets around to it.

I actually just blazed through Edgedancer the last couple of nights and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Absolutely loving Lift and Wyndle - the relationships between all the Radiants and their Spren so far are wonderful but this is easily my favourite one. I'd read a whole trilogy about Lift. Hell, Wyndle might be my favourite character in the series at this point. Sighing as he forms into the Shard rod! I'm also really curious to see Nale more - could be a story of redemption coming for the Herald of Justice me thinks...

I usually cringe at a lot of Brandon's humour but something about the dynamic in this was pretty hilarious. Kinda makes me want to read the Mistborn era 2 books now, which I've heard are quite funny.
They are quite funny and super action adventure y, such great books. The last two especially my gawd
 

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There's some solid funny moments in Wax & Wayne, though Wayne's bits probably aren't as funny as they're supposed to be (to me, at any rate). Steris is probably my favorite character from the series overall.
 

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Just wanted to say I started reading WoK last Thursday and I'm about halfway done. I'm not much of a reader, but I can't put this one down. I am officially a fan. The funny thing is, not much has happened so far in the book, its still pretty much building up the world and characters. I have a short attention span, but for some reason I don't mind the 'slow' start so far. Can't wait to finish this book and read more.
 

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Just wanted to say I started reading WoK last Thursday and I'm about halfway done. I'm not much of a reader, but I can't put this one down. I am officially a fan. The funny thing is, not much has happened so far in the book, its still pretty much building up the world and characters. I have a short attention span, but for some reason I don't mind the 'slow' start so far. Can't wait to finish this book and read more.
Glad you're liking it! Is this your first Sanderson?

It is definitely an intentional slow build, it's completely necessary, but there's a reason Brandon usually says it's not a strong entry point because you basically have to trust him when you go in to it.
 

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Just wanted to say I started reading WoK last Thursday and I'm about halfway done. I'm not much of a reader, but I can't put this one down. I am officially a fan. The funny thing is, not much has happened so far in the book, its still pretty much building up the world and characters. I have a short attention span, but for some reason I don't mind the 'slow' start so far. Can't wait to finish this book and read more.
Nice, if you're that far through then you're basically at the crest of the rollercoaster. Just gets wilder from there!
 

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I just finished Rhythm of War! What a book! I can't wait for more, I just love this world and all those characters. Especially Shallan, I need more Shallan!

Edit: Ugh, I meant "Oathbringer". It's confusing that they split those books into two parts in Germany.
 
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Yeah, haha. I confused the English names, because the release in Germany is pretty weird. First the translated names, and then every book is split into two books, of which every book has it's own name.
Oathbringer for example in Germany is "Der Ruf der Klingen" and "Die Splitter der Macht".
It's more confusing given that Rhythm of War is supposedly the title of book 4
 

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Finally started the Stormlight Archive back in July after hearing great things about it for so long (and enjoying a few non-Cosmere Sanderson works before).

I’m about halfway through Oathbringer right now (I love how big these books are), and damn, has this series got it. I’m not sure I know of a better example of how to build a fantasy world than these books. I haven’t bothered to look up when the next book is due to come out yet because I want to avoid spoilers and don’t wanna dampen my spirits if it’s still a ways off (last year I read Kingkiller and Gentlemen Bastards for the first time, and was distraught at how both series have languished as incomplete works for a while now).

But I’m thinking I’ll get into Mistborn next, it’s been on my “to read” list for awhile now too.
 

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Finally started the Stormlight Archive back in July after hearing great things about it for so long (and enjoying a few non-Cosmere Sanderson works before).

I’m about halfway through Oathbringer right now (I love how big these books are), and damn, has this series got it. I’m not sure I know of a better example of how to build a fantasy world than these books. I haven’t bothered to look up when the next book is due to come out yet because I want to avoid spoilers and don’t wanna dampen my spirits if it’s still a ways off (last year I read Kingkiller and Gentlemen Bastards for the first time, and was distraught at how both series have languished as incomplete works for a while now).

But I’m thinking I’ll get into Mistborn next, it’s been on my “to read” list for awhile now too.
Scott Lynch finally handed in a completed manuscript in May for The Thorn of Emberlain. He's also been doing readings at the Summer cons, so it's looking good for that one at least. I don't expect to see The Doors of Stone for a long time, if ever.
 

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Scott Lynch finally handed in a completed manuscript in May for The Thorn of Emberlain. He's also been doing readings at the Summer cons, so it's looking good for that one at least. I don't expect to see The Doors of Stone for a long time, if ever.
What the fuck is the deal with Doors of Stone, anyways?

It wouldn’t be so upsetting if I wasn’t sure the series wasn’t gonna end with the third book like he planned.
 

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What the fuck is the deal with Doors of Stone, anyways?

It wouldn’t be so upsetting if I wasn’t sure the series wasn’t gonna end with the third book like he planned.
I'm not an authority on Rothfuss, so anyone who reads this please forgive me for inaccuracy, but I believe the third book needed a rewrite and then Rothfuss ended up having difficulties with writing. I don't think it's right to speculate. He's a private person that doesn't deserve that or the abuse he gets in a lot of places. It's just an unfortunate situation and hopefully he'll be able to complete the book when he can, in the best way he can.
 

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Finally started the Stormlight Archive back in July after hearing great things about it for so long (and enjoying a few non-Cosmere Sanderson works before).

I’m about halfway through Oathbringer right now (I love how big these books are), and damn, has this series got it. I’m not sure I know of a better example of how to build a fantasy world than these books. I haven’t bothered to look up when the next book is due to come out yet because I want to avoid spoilers and don’t wanna dampen my spirits if it’s still a ways off (last year I read Kingkiller and Gentlemen Bastards for the first time, and was distraught at how both series have languished as incomplete works for a while now).

But I’m thinking I’ll get into Mistborn next, it’s been on my “to read” list for awhile now too.
Luckily Brandon seems to not be able to stop writing, and he just announced that book 4 is about 2/3rds of the way through his first draft. He wants to release it next holiday and he just said a day ago he was now on schedule for that to happen. But he is about to start up travel for Star Sight so he said he may fall behind a little because of that.

I have a hope that when Brandon is in between book 5 and 6, he does similar thing to what he does in each book and releases a whole book of interlude chapters taking place in Roshar. I could seriously take a whole book of those chapters.

Those are the chapters I reread. So much worldbuilding and small character bits.
 

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I'm not an authority on Rothfuss, so anyone who reads this please forgive me for inaccuracy, but I believe the third book needed a rewrite and then Rothfuss ended up having difficulties with writing. I don't think it's right to speculate. He's a private person that doesn't deserve that or the abuse he gets in a lot of places. It's just an unfortunate situation and hopefully he'll be able to complete the book when he can, in the best way he can.
from what I gathered he is much more focused now on being a parent than writing. Which I understand and am fine with. The only issue I have is how combative he is and how he said from the beginning the entire trilogy was already written.

Also I read the first two books of gentlemen Bastards and feel like I am the only person on earth who wasn't a fan.

And yeah, Brandons ability to write is uncanny.
 

Jest

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Also I read the first two books of gentlemen Bastards and feel like I am the only person on earth who wasn't a fan.

And yeah, Brandons ability to write is uncanny.
Well, I can offer some moral support then.I read the first one and just wasn't at all enticed to go for more.
It took me 3 or 4 attempts before Lies finally grabbed me. Red Seas had it moments. Haven't delved into Republic yet.
 

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Luckily Brandon seems to not be able to stop writing, and he just announced that book 4 is about 2/3rds of the way through his first draft. He wants to release it next holiday and he just said a day ago he was now on schedule for that to happen. But he is about to start up travel for Star Sight so he said he may fall behind a little because of that.

I have a hope that when Brandon is in between book 5 and 6, he does similar thing to what he does in each book and releases a whole book of interlude chapters taking place in Roshar. I could seriously take a whole book of those chapters.

Those are the chapters I reread. So much worldbuilding and small character bits.
The amount of content Brandon pumps out is uncanny.
 

Jest

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I had the same problem with both books. They're both ~700 page books that really should be 400-500 pages.
I would agree on that with the first book. The second book though felt less superfluous. It's more that there were segments that didn't drive me to keep going well into the night. I actually felt like it needed more pages specifically at the end.
 

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Add me to the list of people that didn’t love Gentlemen Bastards. I liked it fine enough but just didn’t get a lot of the love. I’ve only read Lies but just haven’t felt the need to read on yet. I will at some point probably.

People seem to talk so much about the relationships in Lies but I honestly didn’t see that at all. I felt the rest of the crew was barely in it at all and a lot of the emotional moments in the book just seemed unsupported by just about anything. Plot and general style kept me going but overall it was just ok.
 

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I adored the first Gentleman Bastards book, but I feel like the rest didn't really live up to it. The genius prose was still there, and I liked the setting and the character writing just fine, but... Part of it is that it doesn't really deliver on the fantasy.
Hero/protagonist thieves are really supposed to win , the Bastards mostly just get the shit kicked out of them. Which is fine, if it's on the way to the victory, but at a certain point it starts feeling like misery porn.
 

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I am excited for the next book. Does anyone know the word on the street for what's being done next?
He's doing another Wax Mistborn book isn't he?

from what I gathered he is much more focused now on being a parent than writing. Which I understand and am fine with. The only issue I have is how combative he is and how he said from the beginning the entire trilogy was already written.

Also I read the first two books of gentlemen Bastards and feel like I am the only person on earth who wasn't a fan.
I didn't like Lies either. The plot was meh, the characters weren't interesting, the villain was a mustache twirler, the two mains conveniently win a few major battles, the prose is alright, idk it just wasn't for me.

I think Rothfuss means he had the whole outline finished, but he had to do all the detail work to really finish it up. Idk why some people feel so entitled that they need authors to answer to their whims it's pretty annoying. I love both his books so far, and even if he doesn't finish the third, NoTW and WMF are my favourite books.
 

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In Cosmere, he is currently working on Stormlight 4 and another Sixth of the Dusk story. As for the final Wax and Wayne book, it's a mistery. He said he'll try to write something during this year if he has time but I wouldn't expect it for at least another year, maybe even two.

He is also working on a Skyward sequel.
 

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Friends , I just blazed through the last 200 pages of TWOK today and I am totally amazed. Book started off slow but in the end it was totally worth it.

I read that it is recommended to read Warbreaker before starting the 2nd book, is it true? I really want to jump into book #2 and don't feel like reading Warbreaker which over 600 pages. Is really worth it?
 

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It's not an absolute must read, but yes, it is recommended. There is a scene at the end of Words of Radiance that has a much bigger impact if you've read Warbreaker. There is also one more thing which you may or may not notice.

It is even more recommended before Oathbringer, so it's better to get it over with now.
 

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Man, I'm coming to realize r/books really seems to dislike fantasy(That isn't Tolkein or Pratchett), and really seems to despise the love for Sanderson. Weird. It oddly seems to have only come about in the last year or so. Like he got so big so now it's more cool to hate him?
 

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Man, I'm coming to realize r/books really seems to dislike fantasy(That isn't Tolkein or Pratchett), and really seems to despise the love for Sanderson. Weird. It oddly seems to have only come about in the last year or so. Like he got so big so now it's more cool to hate him?
They are probably jelly that Sanderson fans get such a steady stream of quality literature because he's a prodigy of the pen.

In Cosmere, he is currently working on Stormlight 4
Hell yes, that's exciting!

Friends , I just blazed through the last 200 pages of TWOK today and I am totally amazed. Book started off slow but in the end it was totally worth it.

I read that it is recommended to read Warbreaker before starting the 2nd book, is it true? I really want to jump into book #2 and don't feel like reading Warbreaker which over 600 pages. Is really worth it?
I would say to always stick with his books until the end. His culmination of all the story threads is always exciting and fantastic to read, and you're guaranteed to get one in every book.

I would recommend Warbreaker. There are some cool nods to it that you'll enjoy. Some subtle, some awesome. It's a pretty good book as well! I rather enjoyed it's take on the magic system.
 

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So, I’m not really a book reader but I do love fantasy and I’m itching to read a book for some reason and I keep seeing this man’s work come up.
Will Way of Kings be a good place to start? I read some of the sample on Kindle and I was intrigued and really wanted to keep going
I did previously read the first GoT and some of two but things kept getting in the way and I never finished the second book, and I don’t really want to deal with GoT in the near future
 

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So, I’m not really a book reader but I do love fantasy and I’m itching to read a book for some reason and I keep seeing this man’s work come up.
Will Way of Kings be a good place to start? I read some of the sample on Kindle and I was intrigued and really wanted to keep going
I did previously read the first GoT and some of two but things kept getting in the way and I never finished the second book, and I don’t really want to deal with GoT in the near future
I'd probably start with Mistborn. It's a bit easier to get into, shorter and It's "Complete."

I read way of kings first so you can but I think Mistborn is the better introduction.

after that you can decide to continue with the Wax and Wayne series or shuffle into Stormlight Archive. (just make sure you read Warbreaker before Words of Radiance).
 

RugoUniverse

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So, I’m not really a book reader but I do love fantasy and I’m itching to read a book for some reason and I keep seeing this man’s work come up.
Will Way of Kings be a good place to start? I read some of the sample on Kindle and I was intrigued and really wanted to keep going
I did previously read the first GoT and some of two but things kept getting in the way and I never finished the second book, and I don’t really want to deal with GoT in the near future
I would jump in if it sounds like something you'd be into. I found Mistborn a bit basic when I read it, but it's still probably the other best place to start with Sanderson.