Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere |OT| Journey Before Destination

Jest · Nov 3, 2017

corn93 said:
I actually kind of dislike the whole Cosmere thing. I'd prefer each series to be in its own reality instead of some shared universe. Too similar to comic books for my taste. I already feel like I'm missing out on stuff because I havent fully read Mistborn. or Warbreaker.

It's VERY lightly connected at this point. The only relevance they connect on is super behind the scenes type stuff. Like the equivalence of Peter Parker having a Capt America poster in his room or Dick Wolf TV Universe (Law and Order) character crossovers.

corn93 · Nov 3, 2017

Jest said:
It's VERY lightly connected at this point. The only relevance they connect on is super behind the scenes type stuff. Like the equivalence of Peter Parker having a Capt America poster in his room or Dick Wolf TV Universe (Law and Order) character crossovers.

My main worry is that it will grow to be more and more connected over time. Though this is admittedly less likely with novels than comic books.

zroid · Nov 3, 2017

My belief is that Brandon intends to eventually write novels that will demand significant knowledge of the Cosmere from readers.

However, I don't think he intends to do this with series that have been established as being mostly standalone. So this probably won't happen with say Mistborn or Stormlight, outside of like a short story or spinoff.

Jest · Nov 3, 2017

corn93 said:
My main worry is that it will grow to be more and more connected over time. Though this is admittedly less likely with novels than comic books.

It will grow to become more connected, certainly, but it's unclear exactly how.

My guess, is that it's most likely going to be connected through character appearances. I think what will end up happening is that rather than going the route of comic books where the same event is split across multiple titles, what we'll see is that each series will take place during a specific overall timeline that results in a culmination of key characters from some of the series all meeting in a general place eventually. But even then, those characters will be quite different through experiences. Should it happen this way, each series should still stand on it's own, not requiring cross-reading but for those that do cross-read there will be more history and context. A greater understanding of how things came to be and what crossover characters have been through. Sort of how you could read The Hobbit, LotR, and The Simirillion separately and they all work singularly but together provide greater depth and context.

Wowfunhappy · Nov 3, 2017

Jest said:
It will grow to become more connected, certainly, but it's unclear exactly how.

My guess, is that it's most likely going to be connected through character appearances. I think what will end up happening is that rather than going the route of comic books where the same event is split across multiple titles, what we'll see is that each series will take place during a specific overall timeline that results in a culmination of key characters from some of the series all meeting in a general place eventually. But even then, those characters will be quite different through experiences. Should it happen this way, each series should still stand on it's own, not requiring cross-reading but for those that do cross-read there will be more history and context. A greater understanding of how things came to be and what crossover characters have been through. Sort of how you could read The Hobbit, LotR, and The Simirillion separately and they all work singularly but together provide greater depth and context.

I feel like that has to be some kind of climactic finale series at some point, which would presumably require reading other series first. Although yeah, I don't think anyone who just wants to read Stormlight should be concerned.

I do remember Brandon saying somewhere that the final Mistborn series would require Cosmere knowledge from other series...

Sulik2 · Nov 3, 2017

Wowfunhappy said:
I feel like that has to be some kind of climactic finale series at some point, which would presumably require reading other series first. Although yeah, I don't think anyone who just wants to read Stormlight should be concerned.

I do remember Brandon saying somewhere that the final Mistborn series would require Cosmere knowledge from other series...

You are correct. The Sci-fi mistborn series is supposed to be big tie everything together. I always got the impression Stormlight is going to set the stage by the end of it for the big cosmere crossover.

zroid · Nov 3, 2017

Wowfunhappy said:
I do remember Brandon saying somewhere that the final Mistborn series would require Cosmere knowledge from other series...

well that makes some sense considering the events of

Sixth of the Dusk

man I'm really excited for the future of Mistborn

Jest · Nov 3, 2017

Wowfunhappy said:
I feel like that has to be some kind of climactic finale series at some point, which would presumably require reading other series first. Although yeah, I don't think anyone who just wants to read Stormlight should be concerned.

I do remember Brandon saying somewhere that the final Mistborn series would require Cosmere knowledge from other series...

I still feel like the final Mistborn series will function just fine on it's own but just have more meaning with more Cosmere knowledge.

Sulik2 said:
You are correct. The Sci-fi mistborn series is supposed to be big tie everything together. I always got the impression Stormlight is going to set the stage by the end of it for the big cosmere crossover.

Stormlight and Dragonsteel I believe.

Deleted member 9479 · Nov 3, 2017

Jest said:
I still feel like the final Mistborn series will function just fine on it's own but just have more meaning with more Cosmere knowledge.

Stormlight and Dragonsteel I believe.

Dragonsteel is definitely going to tie lots of things together, but

its a prequel series. Which is gonna be awesome, but as a prequel it also should require no Cosmere knowledge, probably even less than most.

Edit:rereading the post I'm responding to I'm now of the understanding that you meant it as Dragonsteel will set the stage much like Stormlight does. So... my response doesn't really have a lot of meaning in that light lol.

Jest · Nov 3, 2017

Faiz said:
Dragonsteel is definitely going to tie lots of things together, but

its a prequel series. Which is gonna be awesome, but as a prequel it also should require no Cosmere knowledge, probably even less than most.

Sure. I figure it'll be the equivalent of a Cosmere flashback origin story in terms of when it's released and what it informs.

Wowfunhappy · Nov 3, 2017

Jest said:
I still feel like the final Mistborn series will function just fine on it's own but just have more meaning with more Cosmere knowledge.

That's not what Brandon said though, regardless of how you feel. :P

Although admittedly I don't remember the source now so who knows.

Jest · Nov 3, 2017

Wowfunhappy said:
That's not what Brandon said though, regardless of how you feel. :P

Although admittedly I don't remember the source now so who knows.

Probably from here:

Q: Are you going to expand on the Cosmere in its own book?
A: Yes, the thing that started it all, Dragonsteel, is going to be about the Costmere a lot more, and the third Mistborn trilogy will be also. I want to make sure that it never comes to the forefront until I am warning people, "Now, you need to know this stuff."

So he sort of says it but it just doesn't feel very definite. Like I feel like it's an answer specifically for the segment of fans that are theorycrafting and connecting the dots from the tiniest specs of hints. Not for general readership.

zroid · Nov 3, 2017

In the sci-fi Mistborn trilogy they are probably going to be straight up visiting other Cosmere systems so that's to be expected. But at the same time he doesn't really say you will need to read the other books to get it, but just that there will be more Cosmere related things going on.

The second statement doesn't necessarily follow directly from the first one, is what I mean

corn93 · Nov 3, 2017

Is Mistborn considered sci-fi? Or is there going to be a sci-fi themed Mistborn

Jest · Nov 3, 2017

corn93 said:
Is Mistborn considered sci-fi? Or is there going to be a sci-fi themed Mistborn

Mistborn trilogies take place during different Ages. Original trilogy has Swords and Bows and drawn carts. Wax and Wayne is Steam powered, guns, and first few engines. The third trilogy will presumably be roughly "Modern" and the last trilogy will be sometime in the future, making it roughly Sci Fi (as I doubt Brandon will go Hard Sci Fi).

zroid · Nov 3, 2017

corn93 said:
Is Mistborn considered sci-fi? Or is there going to be a sci-fi themed Mistborn

The Mistborn series was originally planned as three separate trilogies. The original trilogy took place in a pre-industrial setting; the second trilogy would be a modern setting; and the final trilogy would be in a futuristic setting.

Meanwhile Brandon decided to write a spinoff which was supposed to bridge the gap between the first two trilogies, but the spinoff ended up being expanded into a tetralogy, But it's still not considered one of the three "main" trilogies.

corn93 · Nov 3, 2017

Huh never knew that. Still on original Mistborn... book 2.

Deleted member 9479 · Nov 4, 2017

zroid said:
The Mistborn series was originally planned as three separate trilogies. The original trilogy took place in a pre-industrial setting; the second trilogy would be a modern setting; and the final trilogy would be in a futuristic setting.

Meanwhile Brandon decided to write a spinoff which was supposed to bridge the gap between the first two trilogies, but the spinoff ended up being expanded into a tetralogy, But it's still not considered one of the three "main" trilogies.

I dunno. I mean, it's kinda semantics at this point I guess. Even Brandon has veered from the "Era 1.5" moniker and officially adopted "Era 2" for Wax and Wayne, though last I read he does contend 1.5 would have worked fine if he'd used that consistently from the beginning. I have a feeling in the end the Wax and Wayne books are going to feel very much a part of the main story sequence regardless of whether or not they were originally part of the grand plan. Bands had huge implications for the future development of Scadrial, cosmeric events, and realmatic mechanics. Time will tell.

zroid · Nov 4, 2017

Faiz said:
I dunno. I mean, it's kinda semantics at this point I guess. Even Brandon has veered from the "Era 1.5" moniker and officially adopted "Era 2" for Wax and Wayne, though last I read he does contend 1.5 would have worked fine if he'd used that consistently from the beginning. I have a feeling in the end the Wax and Wayne books are going to feel very much a part of the main story sequence regardless of whether or not they were originally part of the grand plan. Bands had huge implications for the future development of Scadrial, cosmeric events, and realmatic mechanics. Time will tell.

My bad for not being clear, I didn't mean to say that it wasn't important to the overall story. The events of Bands of Mourning make that pretty evident. Rather just that he didn't have it in mind when he was planning the series. AKA it's not like Era 2 has suddenly taken the place of the second trilogy. That's something you might think if you weren't aware of how it came about.

Deleted member 9479 · Nov 4, 2017

zroid said:
My bad for not being clear, I didn't mean to say that it wasn't important to the overall story. The events of Bands of Mourning make that pretty evident. Rather just that he didn't have it in mind when he was planning the series. AKA it's not like Era 2 has suddenly taken the place of the second trilogy. That's something you might think if you weren't aware of how it came about.

Aaaah ok. Yeah, that's very true. We're still getting both modern day and futuristic trilogies.

The theorycrafting behind the influence of Scadrials magic systems and how that might play out are mind boggling and can't wait to see what he's cooked up for both.

Deleted member 9479 · Nov 4, 2017

Also, is it weird that I look forward to the yearly State of the Sanderson post nearly as much as a new book? Really curious to see how his plans for Warbreaker and Elantris sequels are shaping up.

Lirlond · Nov 4, 2017

The combination of cadmium and close to light speed travel using harmonium and steel/iron (to both store speed and weight and push pull the ship) makes for some crazy shenanigans. Especially since we know that time bubbles follow newton's second law.

Zeroneo · Nov 4, 2017

Do we know what harmonium does?

Edit: Looks like a missed a few Brandon interviews...

Lirlond · Nov 4, 2017

Zeroneo said:
Do we know what harmonium does?

Edit: Looks like a missed a few Brandon interviews...

It's just another name for the ettmetal the southern scadrians use

Hamchan · Nov 4, 2017

Went back to read the chapter summaries for Words of Radiance and oh boy it's pretty hype after reading Warbreaker huh.

Deleted member 1759 · Nov 4, 2017

Apparently some signed copies will include a hand drawn sketch :D

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zroid · Nov 4, 2017

Flips said:
Apparently some signed copies will include a hand drawn sketch :D

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omg lol. almost wish I had kept my pre-order of the signed edition now

Jin · Nov 5, 2017

I didn't know there was a Cosmere Thread!

Just finished reading Edgedancer and now I'm fully caught up on all Sanderson and ready for Oathbringer (Damn I'm so ready)

zroid · Nov 5, 2017

FYI: Way of Kings annotations for ch4 and 5 were posted

weemaster · Nov 6, 2017

Finished WoK finally and DAMN! Can't wait to start WoR, but first its time for Warkbreaker.

Westonian · Nov 6, 2017

Finished Edgedancer yesterday evening. I'm glad I didn't skip it before starting on Oathbreaker next week.

I understand the annoyance of the Lift's vernacular, but honestly I was able to filter it out after a few chapters. I'm glad we got more info about Nale and his arch. The end of Edgedancer blows away my theory that

Nale would seek out Adolin for murdering Sadeas.

Deleted member 9479 · Nov 7, 2017

Just not finished the final pre-release chapters

of course one of the biggest things I was looking forward to, Jasna's return and arrival at Urithiru, occurs right at the end of Part 1. This morning I was ready to gripe about her abscence through the entire preview, so honestly I should have seen it coming.

Other interesting things happened but not really gonna get deep into any of it till the book is actually out, and probably not til after I've been able to read the entire thing. Which given my schedule is gonna take a while.

Alexiell · Nov 7, 2017

1 more weekkkkkkk

Unknown837 · Nov 7, 2017

Happy to see this thread, so close to Oathbringer followed by another long wait for a sequel :(

LProtagonist · Nov 8, 2017

I really really want to finish Oathbringer now. The preview chapters did a good job of getting me excited for it.

Avis · Nov 8, 2017

Ahhhhh I forgot Oathbringer is coming out in 6 days and still need to read Edgedancer ahhhhhhhhhhhh

Well thank god it's on audible solo.

Also, anyone got a good summary of Words of Radiance lying around? I just need to refresh on everything, it's been a while since I last reread it. Couldn't find anything except the wiki synopsis.

Jest · Nov 8, 2017

Avis said:
Ahhhhh I forgot Oathbringer is coming out in 6 days and still need to read Edgedancer ahhhhhhhhhhhh

Well thank god it's on audible solo.

Also, anyone got a good summary of Words of Radiance lying around? I just need to refresh on everything, it's been a while since I last reread it. Couldn't find anything except the wiki synopsis.

It's always a good idea to check Tor for stuff like this directly. They usually have useful stuff like summary blogs and rereads with discussion in the comments.

Here's a refresher.

Avis · Nov 8, 2017

Jest said:
It's always a good idea to check Tor for stuff like this directly. They usually have useful stuff like summary blogs and rereads with discussion in the comments.

Here's a refresher.

Perfect, Thanks!

zroid · Nov 8, 2017

Been reading the Broken Earth Trilogy while I wait for Oathbringer, hope I can finish it in time :'D

Jest · Nov 8, 2017

zroid said:
Been reading the Broken Earth Trilogy while I wait for Oathbringer, hope I can finish it in time :'D

Such a good trilogy. Very different tone than Sanderson. Enjoy!

ExMachina · Nov 8, 2017

NK Jemisin is awesome, really need to finish The Stone Sky...

In Cosmere news, the 17th Shard/Coppermind just launched Arcanum, which is a searchable online Brandon Sanderson archive that collects info from conventions, signings, Q&As, etc. There's over 7700 (!) Word of Brandon entries so far.

http://www.17thshard.com/news/sitenews/arcanum-is-here/
https://wob.coppermind.net

Incredible work. Should be a great resource for people who really want to dive into canon and theory discussion.

Jest · Nov 8, 2017

ExMachina said:
NK Jemisin is awesome, really need to finish The Stone Sky...

In Cosmere news, the 17th Shard/Coppermind just launched Arcanum, which is a searchable online Brandon Sanderson archive that collects info from conventions, signings, Q&As, etc. There's over 7700 (!) Word of Brandon entries so far.

http://www.17thshard.com/news/sitenews/arcanum-is-here/
https://wob.coppermind.net

Incredible work. Should be a great resource for people who really want to dive into canon and theory discussion.

This is great for those of us that want to dive down the rabbit hole. Glad to see there's a wiki as just being a depository of quotes can make it hard to find what you're looking for or even contextualize what's being said.

Deleted member 1759 · Nov 8, 2017

Avis said:
Ahhhhh I forgot Oathbringer is coming out in 6 days and still need to read Edgedancer ahhhhhhhhhhhh

Luckily Edgedancer is quite short. You can easily finish it in one session (like I did).

ExMachina said:
NK Jemisin is awesome, really need to finish The Stone Sky...

In Cosmere news, the 17th Shard/Coppermind just launched Arcanum, which is a searchable online Brandon Sanderson archive that collects info from conventions, signings, Q&As, etc. There's over 7700 (!) Word of Brandon entries so far.

http://www.17thshard.com/news/sitenews/arcanum-is-here/
https://wob.coppermind.net

Incredible work. Should be a great resource for people who really want to dive into canon and theory discussion.

Sweet. Love stuff like this.

zroid · Nov 8, 2017

ExMachina said:
In Cosmere news, the 17th Shard/Coppermind just launched Arcanum, which is a searchable online Brandon Sanderson archive that collects info from conventions, signings, Q&As, etc. There's over 7700 (!) Word of Brandon entries so far.

http://www.17thshard.com/news/sitenews/arcanum-is-here/
https://wob.coppermind.net

Incredible work. Should be a great resource for people who really want to dive into canon and theory discussion.

I'm going to spend way too much time on this site...

gspec · Nov 8, 2017

Which series is more fantasy based between mistborn and stormlight archives?

Jest · Nov 8, 2017

gspec said:
Which series is more fantasy based between mistborn and stormlight archives?

They're both Fantasy. Though Stormlight is currently slightly closer to High Fantasy. Mistborn changes Ages, so sword/shield/bows only applies to the first trilogy in the series.

But neither of them are exceptionally High Fantasy. Stormlight just has more of a medieval feel at the moment and will probably keep that throughout the series.

Deleted member 9479 · Nov 8, 2017

ExMachina said:
NK Jemisin is awesome, really need to finish The Stone Sky...

In Cosmere news, the 17th Shard/Coppermind just launched Arcanum, which is a searchable online Brandon Sanderson archive that collects info from conventions, signings, Q&As, etc. There's over 7700 (!) Word of Brandon entries so far.

http://www.17thshard.com/news/sitenews/arcanum-is-here/
https://wob.coppermind.net

Incredible work. Should be a great resource for people who really want to dive into canon and theory discussion.

So far Arcanum seems a lot more robust (in more ways than one) than the old Theoryland website. Glad WoBs have their own site finally.

Yonafunu · Nov 9, 2017

Avis said:
Ahhhhh I forgot Oathbringer is coming out in 6 days and still need to read Edgedancer ahhhhhhhhhhhh

Well thank god it's on audible solo.

Also, anyone got a good summary of Words of Radiance lying around? I just need to refresh on everything, it's been a while since I last reread it. Couldn't find anything except the wiki synopsis.

Fuck, I still haven't read Edgedancer either.

And I'd like a Words of Radiance summary as well. I wanted to reread it before getting to Oathbringer but I doubt I'll be able to stop myself from immediately going into Oathbringer.

Deleted member 9479 · Nov 9, 2017

Yonafunu said:
Fuck, I still haven't read Edgedancer either.

And I'd like a Words of Radiance summary as well. I wanted to reread it before getting to Oathbringer but I doubt I'll be able to stop myself from immediately going into Oathbringer.

Jest's post upthread is a good place to go, it links tor.com's summary of Stormlight Archive so far.

There's also the chapter by chapter summaries at coppermin: Words of Radiance.

random88 · Nov 9, 2017

You're good, Edgedancer is a quick read, it won't take more than a few hours.

I think I'm gonna start with Oathbringer on TOR today, and than continue when the full book comes out.

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