BREAKING: Alabama lawmakers vote to effectively totally ban Abortion in the state

TeenageFBI

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If this is the direction America wants to head in, I will celebrate its collapse.
Well, it's the direction a minority of the people want to go. Course, they're utterly shameless when it comes to exploiting long-standing norms and conventions so they're punching well above their weight. They're also good at destroying democratic institutions when it results in them holding onto power. It really sucks.
 

CallMeShaft

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Oct 25, 2017
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Awesome news. Now women are going to have to give birth to, and likely raise, a child they didn't want/can't afford. So instead of peacefully ending the fetus' existence in a way that would not, in any way, psychically hurt it, it will now have to live what will likely be a miserable existence where they, in most cases, will live lives filled with depression and sadness. Way to go Alabama Republicans, you show those poor women thinking about the well-being of their potential off-spring who's boss.

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Haze

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Oct 25, 2017
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I’m not surprised but absolutely disgusted with my state. These republicans are using people’s lives as political currency to overturn a landmark case for some draconian regressive legislature that they don’t even really care about.

Kay Ivey in particular can crawl upside-down on ceilings, shed her skin, and lick her own eyeballs.

They only care about these “babies” while they’re still in the womb. Once they’re out they better pull themselves up by the bootstraps because these people sure don’t care about the overwhelming amount of unwanted children in the deplorable fostercare system, the homeless, or those in poverty.

In fact, it’s illegal in Alabama for gay couples to adopt children, they actively make it more difficult for these unwanted pregnancies once they come into the world by diminishing the already minuscule amount of adopters.

They don’t advocate for better sex Ed programs in schools, they don’t advocate better access to childcare and they won’t do anything about the crippling poverty that these two things most affect.

Fuck these people. Fuck them all to hell.
 

fireflame

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Why are there not some sort of "unbreakable laws" that the federal government could enforce and that could not be challenged by state laws?
 

cameron

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Most observers expect the Supreme Court to take up abortion bans that are less sweeping than Alabama’s, such as cases involving abortion bans at 20 weeks or a law reducing the number of abortion clinics, incremental steps that could eventually lead to a major challenge of Roe v. Wade.

Richard Garnett, a law professor at the University of Notre Dame, said in an email that Alabama’s proposal will likely not be considered by the Supreme Court when the justices could consider less dramatic measures, such as limiting late-term abortions or abortions targeting disabilities. The justices, Garnett said, “might well prefer to first consider less sweeping abortion regulations and to uphold them even under the current doctrine.”
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David Lauter @DavidLauter

Alabama officials hope their abortion ban will prod the Supreme Court to reconsider Roe v. Wade, but the justices don't seem in any mood to move fast on abortion, @DavidGSavage reports. https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-supreme-court-abortion-roe-overturn-20190515-story.html …

The court, behind closed doors, is about to discuss -- for the 14th time -- whether to consider Indiana's abortion law, which federal courts have put on hold. CJ Roberts prefers to move slowly as he pushes the law to the right. https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-supreme-court-abortion-roe-overturn-20190515-story.html …

7:13 PM - May 15, 2019
 

Slappy White

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This has obviously been their plan for some time. This is some seriously disgusting shit. I can’t comprehend these peoples mindsets.
 

RumbleHumble

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David Lauter @DavidLauter

Alabama officials hope their abortion ban will prod the Supreme Court to reconsider Roe v. Wade, but the justices don't seem in any mood to move fast on abortion, @DavidGSavage reports. https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-supreme-court-abortion-roe-overturn-20190515-story.html …

The court, behind closed doors, is about to discuss -- for the 14th time -- whether to consider Indiana's abortion law, which federal courts have put on hold. CJ Roberts prefers to move slowly as he pushes the law to the right. https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-supreme-court-abortion-roe-overturn-20190515-story.html …

7:13 PM - May 15, 2019
This all checks out. Roberts is one of those "appearances" conservatives who prefers chipping away at our rights over a long stretch of time rather than enact a ban outright. He's all about shifting the policy window rightward in a way that appears "moderate".
 
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OtherWorldly

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Quote of the day from Alabama legislator

“ you say we should not enter a person’s bedroom and now you are in my womb, I want you to get out”
 

Freakzilla

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What is Chief Justice Roberts long game here?

Edit: Nevermind it was explained in this post:

This all checks out. Roberts is one of those "appearances" conservatives who prefers chipping away at our rights over a long stretch of time rather than enact a ban outright. He's all about shifting the policy window rightward in a way that appears "moderate".
 

Tahnit

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That governor shouldn't get a moments peace at any restaurants or anything. She should be hounded constantly.
 

Cation

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David Lauter @DavidLauter

Alabama officials hope their abortion ban will prod the Supreme Court to reconsider Roe v. Wade, but the justices don't seem in any mood to move fast on abortion, @DavidGSavage reports. https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-supreme-court-abortion-roe-overturn-20190515-story.html …

The court, behind closed doors, is about to discuss -- for the 14th time -- whether to consider Indiana's abortion law, which federal courts have put on hold. CJ Roberts prefers to move slowly as he pushes the law to the right. https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-supreme-court-abortion-roe-overturn-20190515-story.html …

7:13 PM - May 15, 2019
This is truly and deeply disturbing in its own right...
 

fireflame

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Congratulations on encouraging anti abortion movements in the whole world and making it worse for women...
 
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Congratulations on encouraging anti abortion movements in the whole world and making it worse for women...
Sadism is the point. We've had "global gag rules" in every GOP administration since Reagan

Friendly reminder that you can't ban abortions, you just ban safe abortions.
You get it. It's about the control over making life hell for the people with the least resources to do anything about it.
 

ZackieChan

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Why would the Supreme Court grant cert for something this easily dismissed? I feel like this could be shut down at the appellate level and it shouldn't go any further.

Why are there not some sort of "unbreakable laws" that the federal government could enforce and that could not be challenged by state laws?
Yes, there are federal laws, but this type of thing is dealt with by the states.
 

gcubed

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Why would the Supreme Court grant cert for something this easily dismissed? I feel like this could be shut down at the appellate level and it shouldn't go any further.


Yes, there are federal laws, but this type of thing is dealt with by the states.
Yea, if the goal was to get this to the Supreme Court they jumped the shark with this. They went too far and it wont get certed
 

Shoeless

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It almost feels like there are parallels here with what happened to Islamic culture in the 17th century. Science had been leading the way the Middle East for centuries, but then religious fundamentalism took over, they never quite recovered, leaving a "STEM vacuum" that the West filled. Now it's the USA's turn to go from an innovator to a regressive state saying "We were great once. What happened?"
 

Frozenprince

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Oct 25, 2017
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Does he have a secret in the family?
No it's just plausible deniability until they can institute federal prison time for women who abort for any reason, until then they need to pretend that these draconian measures go too far to maintain a cover because that position is too unpopular to jump into the deep end with and won't win or will mobilize enough of a counter point to end it. They know if they "appear" to be against it that it also raises the chances that people do nothing about it because they'll see that and make a logical leap to assume that it'll be handled "internally".

The point is to start with finding their golden goose to get high enough through the courts to get to the federal and end Roe, anything else until then risks that strategy.
 

Lys Skygge

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No it's just plausible deniability until they can institute federal prison time for women who abort for any reason, until then they need to pretend that these draconian measures go too far to maintain a cover because that position is too unpopular to jump into the deep end with and won't win or will mobilize enough of a counter point to end it. They know if they "appear" to be against it that it also raises the chances that people do nothing about it because they'll see that and make a logical leap to assume that it'll be handled "internally".

The point is to start with finding their golden goose to get high enough through the courts to get to the federal and end Roe, anything else until then risks that strategy.
 

shenden

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What are the odds of this abhorrent act of disgust reaching other states?

Goddamn US, vote these fucking dinosaurs off of earth, they’ve done their useless time.
 

Kai Dracon

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Re: Pat Robertson's reaction

Ironically there's probably a lot of republican men who are sweating at super-draconian abortion laws which promise to severely punish doctors who perform abortions. (99 years in prison).

Because it creates a problem for their mistresses and affairs. And paying for under the table abortions to get rid of complications.

No doctor will risk performing the abortion for any amount of money if there's a serious risk of life imprisonment.
 

Tigress

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Oct 25, 2017
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Around here? Hell yes, people are pledging to not vote if Biden is the nominee.
*facepalm*. Goddamnit. They really think Biden would be the same as trump? Or they think this will punish the democrats and they’ll learn (yeah cause if biden wins it obviously didn’t work the first time... so let’s try it again and help trump and the republicans get a second term).

I don’t like Biden but I’ll hold my nose and vote for him if he’s the candidate.